Pak/Bangla Relations After Hasina

[Kambojaric]

Speaking purely in terms of geo-politics, there is absolutely no reason why Bangladesh or Pakistan should be hostile nations to one another. The countries do not pose a threat to each others sovereignty. Both as Muslim majority nations stand in opposition to the rise of Hindu nationalism in India. This threat will amplify especially for Bangladesh in the coming years as New Delhi will seek to push millions of Assamese and Bengali Muslims within its borders towards Bangladesh.

Further new avenues of cooperation are emerging as Bangladesh seems to be realizing the gravity of the situation with regards to how ill-prepared its defence forces are taking into consideration the threats it faces from its neighbors as well as stamping its naval authority over its EEZ. New avenues of military cooperation will therefore emerge between our countries.

The thing which has held our relations back are of course the events of the 47-71 period. However as the generation that lived through those years dies, the emotional element will start disappearing and a new generation that is not held back by emotional baggage to the same extent can look towards establishing a win-win relationship.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Bangla Bros,

There is a lot of love and enthusiasm for Pakistan cricket team in Bangladesh at the moment.
What do you guys think is next for Pak/Bangla relations once PM Hasina is no more?
I believe she makes no distinction from Pakistan of 1971 to Pakistan of Present, From Politicians to People, From 1971 generation to post-1971 generation.

Bangladesh should stay away from Pakistan, as Pakistan has a contagious disease of taking sides, irrational thinking, fighting other people wars, and not planning for national interests. We are world champions of shortsightedness and carelessness.

I am happy to see Bangladesh developing and they better stay away from us.

We dont do friendship with durga pooja celebrator woman.she doesnt represent the section of Bangladesh we get along with.

Yeah of course. But you do "friendship" with the people who are enemies of your faith.
I am sick of this low-level senseless bias towards others.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Social media is full fo indians posing as other party..So dont go by online trolls..though i dont negate the fact Pakistan has its own share of racist people but in this particular region we are the least racist people..
Also just because i dot like your bangabandhu doesnt men i dislike Bangladeshis, ..So differentiate wrt. that.

Whether you like Bangabandhu or not doesn't make much of a difference except to nationalists/ultra nationalists of a certain ilk. He isn't god in BD, definitely not to the common man. The country has its opinions on who is the torch bearer for independence.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Bangladesh should stay away from Pakistan, as Pakistan has a contegous disease of taking sides, irretional thinking, fighting others wars and not planning for national interests. We are world champions of shortsightness and carelessness.

I am happy to see Bangladesh developing and they better stay away from us.

If there is any relationship it'll be to counter Indias threat to the very existence of BD. Any relationship of substance will be after that, we do want some sort of relationship based on faith as with majority of the Muslims but Hasina is an old buddi/auntie jee and as someone mentioned earlier she is a very shrewd old lady. She is preparing come-uppance for India.

Btw not to be cheeky, but it's nice to see a Pakistani talk about their country in a non sugar coated manner.

 

[VikingRaider]

. i give respect based on my own principles and Bangladesh founding fathers who lied to their people are not among them. Lies on things as small as number of of people killed to telling them who they were actually working for. A random Bengali has no say or fault in this . Its the corrupt intelligentsia there that built their huddle and politics based on the war of independence and hate for Paksitan and Jinnah; the same Jinnah that helped them get freedom in first place..It doesnt mean i dont blame the Pakistanis of that time. Bhutto was the main culprit followed by Yahya. Stilll we dont preach hate in our curriculum.

Just one information, when the father of nation of Pakistan Jinnah died , then one of the greatest son of Pakistan nation sheikh Mujib ( later father of Bangladesh nation ) mourned by saying that he lost his guru!

 

[fitpOsitive]

If there is any relationship it'll be to counter Indias threat to the very existence of BD. Any relationship of substance will be after that, we do want some sort of relationship based on faith as with majority of the Muslims but Hasina is an old buddi/auntie jee and as someone mentioned earlier she is a very shrewd old lady. She is preparing come-uppance for India.

Btw not to be cheeky, but it's nice to see a Pakistani talk about their country in a non sugar coated manner.

When we are sick then we are sick. Admission is a first step towards betterment.

 

[Destranator]

When we are sick then we are sick. Admission is a first step towards betterment.

Do you even South Asian, bro? The best way to cure illness is to deny its existence and instead call others sick.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Do you even South Asian, bro?

I am.
I am not calling "others" sick. I will come to others when I will feel that everything/most of the things at home are clear.

 

[imadul]

. i give respect based on my own principles and Bangladesh founding fathers who lied to their people are not among them. Lies on things as small as number of of people killed to telling them who they were actually working for. A random Bengali has no say or fault in this . Its the corrupt intelligentsia there that built their huddle and politics based on the war of independence and hate for Paksitan and Jinnah; the same Jinnah that helped them get freedom in first place..It doesnt mean i dont blame the Pakistanis of that time. Bhutto was the main culprit followed by Yahya. Stilll we dont preach hate in our curriculum.

There were faults from both sides, but more from West Pakistan.
People who were part of it have all passed away.
We need to move forward. Acromony ABSOLUTELY wont achieve anything.

Hasina Wajid, shall one day will become more friendly.

لا تثريب عليكم اليوم

 

[SkyWolf]

Pakistanis dreamers concentrate on Afghanistan & Iran we have actual borders and neighbours to them with shared history. I have no problem with Indian Muslims and Bangladeshis Muslims to have good relations with them. But our priories was always with our western neighbourhood and the former east Pakistan was just in name only. Just enough with this bhai bhai rubbish learn from your history unless you have connection to Indian or Bangladesh family ties I see. I wish Muslim Bangladeshis all the best. east is not for us india is our border period

Think a little bit more broadly. Why not be on good terms with as many countries as possible? Does not mean we dont focus on immediate neighbors. Also, think about having an ally on indias other flank. It is militarily advantageous.

Furthermore, friendship would redress the propaganda against two nation theory.

These things put together take bullets away from your adversary.

 

[PoondolotoPandalum]

I'll just say this is a defence forum. You can say most/all defence forums are intrinsically chest-thumping hyper-nationalist by nature, and PDF is no exception.

Hypernationalistst tends to be irrational, impulsive, and easily swayed by emotions. It's usually because of something there's often some terrible event or some terrible deficiency they're struggling with in real life.

So one has to try and learn to stay away from such types, in the same way, you stay away from a dangerous driver. Instead of trying to race them or something

I mention the above because this whole discussion will be continuously steered (more like shat upon) by hyper nationalists of both sides.

As for mending ties on a state level (it's there on a personal level, overwhelmingly so), I'm not against it in principle. Our narratives will differ about 1971, but we can agree to disagree. Because downplaying the less honorable sides of your history isn't unique to Pakistani's. Especially when Bengalis do it.

Where I (and maybe others) have slight reservations is your deep state, and its historic tendencies to get its tentacles up everyone's orifices, and support for nefarious groups. We can welcome trade, cultural and intellectual exchange, etc. We don't want to take part in your geopolitical chess piece, or anyone else.

But I'm sure your deep state has learned from its mistakes and has evolved. At least I hope so. Pakistan is much more economically focused today. I don't think your deep state even had eastward ambitions to begin with post-1971. So rationally, there are little to no barriers to better relations.

There's no such thing as an eternal enemy or eternal friend. Bengali's in the 1970s were very anti-Pakistani. I'm sure many of them could not imagine that in 2021, most Bangladeshi's are much more anti-Indian than anti-Pak. It's because India has more tentacles up ours than Pakistan. Though I'm sure certain chetonah groups will disagree.

Big states having tentacles around others is not a uniquely Indian, or Pakistani thing. The best example I can think of is Russia and its relationship with East European and Eurasian countries. Russia used to hold the entire Slavdome by their balls. As a result, Poles, Estonians, even "poor gypsy Romanians" (who are now much richer than Russians) tend to be some of the biggest Russophobes. Bangladesh is Romania, India is more like Russia. And when Romania surpassed Russia in all economic indicators, Russian vatniks liked reminding Romanians how Russia builds Soyuz, Su-57s, Armata's, Iskander missile, and how they pimp their women in Bucharest. Things that have absolutely 0 relevance (apart from the pimping ) or benefits to most people every day lives.

Just like certain Sangi's writing massive essays about ISRO and DRDO, whenever they see a discussion about the relative GDP per capita or any other development parameter differences between Bangladesh and India.

 

[SkyWolf]

I'll just say this is a defence forum. You can say most/all defence forums are intrinsically chest-thumping hyper-nationalist by nature, and PDF is no exception.

Hypernationalistst tends to be irrational, impulsive, and easily swayed by emotions. It's usually because of something there's often some terrible event or some terrible deficiency they're struggling with in real life.

So one has to try and learn to stay away from such types, in the same way, you stay away from a dangerous driver. Instead of trying to race them or something

I mention the above because this whole discussion will be continuously steered (more like shat upon) by hyper nationalists of both sides.

As for mending ties on a state level (it's there on a personal level, overwhelmingly so), I'm not against it in principle. Our narratives will differ about 1971, but we can agree to disagree. Because downplaying the less honorable sides of your history isn't unique to Pakistani's. Especially when Bengalis do it.

Where I (and maybe others) have slight reservations is your deep state, and its historic tendencies to get its tentacles up everyone's orifices, and support for nefarious groups. We can welcome trade, cultural and intellectual exchange, etc. We don't want to take part in your geopolitical chess piece, or anyone else.

But I'm sure your deep state has learned from its mistakes and has evolved. At least I hope so. Pakistan is much more economically focused today. I don't think your deep state even had eastward ambitions to begin with post-1971. So rationally, there are little to no barriers to better relations.

There's no such thing as an eternal enemy or eternal friend. Bengali's in the 1970s were very anti-Pakistani. I'm sure many of them could not imagine that in 2021, most Bangladeshi's are much more anti-Indian than anti-Pak. It's because India has more tentacles up ours than Pakistan. Though I'm sure certain chetonah groups will disagree.

Big states having tentacles around others is not a uniquely Indian, or Pakistani thing. The best example I can think of is Russia and its relationship with East European and Eurasian countries. Russia used to hold the entire Slavdome by their balls. As a result, Poles, Estonians, even "poor gypsy Romanians" (who are now much richer than Russians) tend to be some of the biggest Russophobes. Bangladesh is Romania, India is more like Russia. And when Romania surpassed Russia in all economic indicators, Russian vatniks liked reminding Romanians how Russia builds Soyuz, Su-57s, Armata's, Iskander missile, and how they pimp their women in Bucharest. Things that have absolutely 0 relevance (apart from the pimping ) or benefits to most people every day lives.

Just like certain Sangi's writing massive essays about ISRO and DRDO, whenever they see a discussion about the relative GDP per capita or any other development parameter differences between Bangladesh and India.

That's a good point. Even if I try to explain to a hyper-nationalist that a pragmatic approach would be beneficial for even their objectives... it is still like speaking to an unthinking drone.

 

[CatSultan]

Thewitch Hasina needs to go.

 

[Kaleem.61]

Bangladeshi people are good enough. There are most of the Bangladeshi people who love Pakistan and Pakistani people doing same.

We are brothers! But materially Pakistan can't be what India is for Bangladesh.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

We need to move forward.

We can move forward..the problem is at the other end.

Just one information, when the father of nation of Pakistan Jinnah died , then one of the greatest son of Pakistan nation sheikh Mujib ( later father of Bangladesh nation ) mourned by saying that he lost his guru!

Regular people run on emotions and decide on gimmicks and drama of politicians.. soon as jinnah left the scene Mujib sat with the enemies of Pakistan called NAP who were planning their own pashtunistan And for this both tried to use fatima jinnah to get meaningful socialist tilt that makes Pakistan linger between USSR and usa. a catastrophic move for the security of the state..then he kept meeting indian govt. officials secretly during 60s read agratala case, he kept telling his people one thing and behind the back he was making promises to the local commies (who killed him later) because apparently he switched and was working for CIA...he was part of the linguistic riots knowing very well making bengali 2nd language for state wasn't possible, it would have created a domino effect for other ethno linguistic groups.. and a lingua franca was required for function of the state.. it was a mistake on Pakistan end as well to not declare bangladesh a Confederation early on and have English as lingua franca. But that wasn't the main issue. The issue was east wing being overtly socialist while west being in the seato center camp. Therefore ussr played a big role not indian raw in creation of Bangladesh .