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Pak Army Major Forced To Retired Over Beard

if he was forced then the person forcing should be questioned on what kind of policy is being forced here.
Pakistan Army soldiers widely keep the beards and will continue to do so.
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Perhaps this kind of religious expression should be limited - after all, the armed forces are about competence killing the enemy, not religious or any other kind of expression - Should this expression continue, it will become detrimental to discipline - after all what if (as ha already happened) Pakistani soldiers refuse to obey orders because of their religious beliefs??
 
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Pak Army Major Forced To Retired Over Beard



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Islamabad: A Pakistan Army Major has forced to retire over have beard. His Officer ordered him to shave beard but he refused and forced to retired.

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@KRAIT may be this thread should be merged with the Indian beard problem and discussed as a single issue.


And then Indians call us a MULLAH country! :blink:
 
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It is what you think it is. Unthinkable.. not possible.

I think the Major must have some merit in his case. Else why would he approach the Lahore High court.

I dont think any secular army like Indian or US army would be willing to allow such things, but its strange that in an army of an Islamic republic this is an issue.

Maybe the superior who ordered it was anti-Islamist or something. Quite possible. The High court should go into this matter in depth to give the officer justice.


True. It might have been a grave injustice but since beard isn't the real reason or the issue. It isn't an injustice.

Apparently it is - according to Maj.Zaheeruddin !
 
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I think the Major must have some merit in his case. Else why would he approach the Lahore High court.

I dont think any secular army like Indian or US army would be willing to allow such things, but its strange that in an army of an Islamic republic this is an issue.

Maybe the superior who ordered it was anti-Islamist or something. Quite possible. The High court should go into this matter in depth to give the officer justice.




Apparently it is - according to Maj.Zaheeruddin !

Isolated incident like i mentioned previously. This is why the major went to the court, because it is injustice.

If he wants to serve Pakistan Army again, he should be allowed to and not forced to retire.
 
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To dig too much and make a hype over very small thing.

To take cover off the hair, an insignificant matter being discussed too much.

Bhai yh kis chez ki definitions hein?-
 
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He was forced to retire because he disobeyed his seniors

A big beard is not a professional look. PA asked him to atleast make it look good but he did not listen. Major Zahir should be reminded that PA is not his "baap's jahangir"
 
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Perhaps this kind of religious expression should be limited - after all, the armed forces are about competence killing the enemy, not religious or any other kind of expression - Should this expression continue, it will become detrimental to discipline - after all what if (as ha already happened) Pakistani soldiers refuse to obey orders because of their religious beliefs??

Only the liberal or non religious minded have the tendency to give orders that coincide with the religious beliefs of someone. The impression this news creating outside the army among the masses will not have a positive effect. I think every soldier should be given the freedom to practise his religious beliefs. We should learn from other foreign armies. British army is one such shining example where they assign imams to assist their muslim soldiers, so that he can guide them.
 
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He was forced to retire because he disobeyed his seniors

A big beard is not a professional look. PA asked him to atleast make it look good but he did not listen. Major Zahir should be reminded that PA is not his "baap's jahangir"

Here are some hadith which should be sufficient enough for you to understand.If big beard is part of Sunnah than throw that definition of Professional Look in trash which you are referring here.

Here are a few Ahadith/Sunnat related to the sunnah of beard.

1.Hazrat Muhammad-SAW once said, "My Lord has ordered me to keep growing a beard and to cut the mustaches." (Hukm ul ayyah)

2. The beard should not be less than at least one fist below the chin. (fazail-e-nabvi)

3. To cut or shave the beard is not leagal and is haram. (fazail-e-nabvi)

4. If your beard becomes longer than one fist, then cut the hair on the right,left side, so that it will look beautiful. (uswa-e-rasool-saw)

5. Hazrat Muhammad-SAW once said, "Oppose the mushrik. Grow your beard longer, and cut your mustaches."

6. Sheikh ul hadith Hazrat Zakria (R.A.) wrote that Alcohol consumption, taking interest, and illeagal sex is a big sin but is for a time, but shaving your beard is a continous sin.
 
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Army denies launching anti-beard drive

ISLAMABAD: As a retired Major of the Pakistan Army has accused the incumbent khaki leadership of following in the footsteps of General (R) Pervez Musharraf, who had literally launched a campaign against beards in the armed forces, military circles say the forced retirement of Major Zaheeruddin was an isolated action which was taken on disciplinary grounds and was not at all part of any drive against those sporting beards.

While seeking justice from the Lahore High Court’s Rawalpindi bench, led by Justice Ch Muhammad Younis, Major Zaheeruddin has challenged his forcible retirement, saying the action taken by his seniors was all because of his refusal to trim his beard which was strictly in accordance with the laid down Army rules and regulations. Justice Chaudhry has already admitted his petition and issued notice to the Ministry of Defence seeking reply.

According to Col (R) Inamur Rahim, the counsel for Major Zaheeruddin, his client was forcibly retired despite the fact that he was keeping beard in accordance with the Army Rules Instructions (AR(I) 684) that require the beard to remain within the limits of four fingers below the under chin. However, he said, since the khaki top brass seem to have launched an anti-beard drive in the Army, his client was told by his Brigade Commander and the General Officer Commanding in Lahore to trim down his beard, which he refused, and was subsequently sent home despite the fact that it was an unlawful command.

However, a senior army officer in Rawalpindi, who requested anonymity, refuted that the Army leadership has ordered any drive against those sporting beards in the armed forces. To a question, the army officer dispelled the impression that Major Zaheer was punished for growing beard. “The action against him was purely taken on disciplinary basis for refusing to obey his seniors which was tantamount to disobeying the institutional regulations and it should not be exploited to defame the military leadership”, he added while reminding that Zaheer’s petition has been filed by Col (R) Inamur Rahim who has already challenged in the Islamabad High Court the extension granted to COAS General Kayani.

The Colonel was subjected to severe torture on November 14, 2012 in Rawalpindi by unidentified assailants, a few days after he had filed the petition. But Major Zaheeruddin is not the first officer of the Pakistani armed forces who has been forcibly retired from the military service for his refusal to trim his long beard. Way back in March 2005, then Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf had dismissed five officers of the Pakistan Air Force following their refusal to shave off their beards despite repeated warnings by their seniors. The move was a part of the General’s efforts to rein in the fundamentalist elements who had tried to kill him in Rawalpindi twice in a short span of one month while using suicide bombers. The PAF officers who had been forcibly retired in August 2005 were all pilots of the fighter planes including Squadron Leader Mohsin Hayat Ranjha, Squadron Leader Naveed Riaz, Flight Lieutenant Mohammad Saqib, Flight Lieutenant Mohammad Ajmal and Flight Lieutenant Fazl-e-Rabbi. They had refused to trim their beards, saying they were doing so in line with the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

The National Assembly was subsequently told during the question hour on April 10, 2006 that the PAF chief has dismissed five officers for refusing to trim their ‘Taliban-style beards’. Syed Tanveer Hussain, who used to head the parliamentary committee on defence at that time, told the House that the PAF officers were dismissed because they had disobeyed institutional regulations which permit them keeping beards of a certain length. The trend of growing beards gained popularity among the country’s armed forces in the late 1970s when General Ziaul Haq, whose father was a prayer leader, had introduced a process of “Islamisation”, in an apparent bid to prolong his military rule.

Approached for comments, a PAF official clarified that there was no ban at all on any Air Force personnel of any rank keeping a beard. He added: “However, there is a limit to the length of a beard, as the oxygen masks worn by the airmen flying at high altitude can malfunction as a result of the beards being too long. The PAF officers who were forcibly retired in 2005 had been asked to trim their facial hair as a long beard makes it difficult to fix the mask tightly on the face, which could be dangerous for both the pilot and the airplane. But the officers not only refused to do it, in violation of the dress code of a PAF officer, they also incited others to grow similar beards.”

However, Colonel (R) Inamur Rahim maintains that the action taken against Major Zaheeruddin was simply illogical and unlawful because his client was not a PAF officer but an Army officer from the Artillery Corps who was keeping beard in accordance with the Army Rules Instructions (AR (I) 684). Colonel Inam said the forcible retirement of Major Zaheer was not only unconstitutional but also un-Islamic since the Constitution of Pakistan guarantees its citizens’ right to practise their religion according to their beliefs. Even otherwise, he said, according to Islamic teachings as well as the traditions of Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), the beard is deemed necessary for every Muslim male.


interesting looking back i remember that gambit was surprised that one of the air crew had a full beard and that it might be hard to secure on a mask go to know we have a policy against it
 
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Only the liberal or non religious minded have the tendency to give orders that coincide with the religious beliefs of someone. The impression this news creating outside the army among the masses will not have a positive effect. I think every soldier should be given the freedom to practise his religious beliefs. We should learn from other foreign armies. British army is one such shining example where they assign imams to assist their muslim soldiers, so that he can guide them.

Absolutely, however, what comes first military discipline or religious beliefs?

Sorry I did not see your hadith stuff - I guess my question is answered - thanks.
 
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Pakistani apnay banaye daadi ke jaal me in khud hi phus gye :lol: aur dalo Indian ki daadi me in hath ub apni daadi pe baat aayi to sabki bolti bund... :lol:
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Pakistani apnay banaye daadi ke jaal me in khud hi phus gye :lol: aur dalo Indian ki daadi me in hath ub apni daadi pe baat aayi to sabki bolti bund... :lol:
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This & the persecution of a Muslim police officer in India is completely different.

Here, PA requires that you don't have a long beard, while the Indian Police only persecutes & has bias against Muslims who keep long beard, not Sikhs.
 
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I am a secular person and I do not see the reason for retiring someone off for his beard. Even in a secular regime this is wrong and incorrect. The army accommodates all people. It should accommodate the needs of the Sikh, Hindu, Muslim or whoeever wishes to join it.

My weak urdu would make me read that very slow so I did not read it fully so do tell me if I missed something but retiring someone for something so trivial. What about fashionable beards which I have seen soldiers keep. My friend in the army had one. Furthermore justice should be one and the same for all. One person with a beard banned means all should be. This is discrimination unless the beard was too long and hampering his work or there is something I missed. Do tell.
 
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Complete chain of events and full story covered here.In this news there is also a mention about five PAF pilots who were discharged for refusing to cut long beard. I think Pakistan forces should consult religious scholars to educate soldiers about these various/unique issues. Because Islam do give us leniency in various/unique situations. The soldiers who wants to practice religion will never question anyone if they understands things fully. These cases are just mis-handled because of ignorance(not understanding) and by doing that they create an impression which is dangerous.

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It is an isolated incident where the major is accusing and nothing is proved. Whatever interests he has in mind, God knows. But if he was forced then the person forcing should be questioned on what kind of policy is being forced here.

Pakistan Army soldiers widely keep the beards and will continue to do so.

I agree here, webbie. Half our army will disappear if there is a general order on beards being disallowed. I think this is a chauvinistic commander involved. People are enraged with the terrorism and our failure on many fronts to deal with it effectively and with losses mounting commanders may be taking extreme measures It was a Lieutenant colonel that probably fired him.

This may be frustration. It should be checked. Even secular nations accommodate a religious groups needs. Look at Britain with Sikh soldiers. Each soldier has a different need according to his religion. No one can force another. When I promote secularism I do not promote this. I promote equality for all.
 
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