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Pak Army fully prepared to thwart any aggression: COAS Gen Bajwa

We did what we wanted to do , that is Abrogation of 370 and fully integrating J&K with India. We will advance further and retake Azad Kashmir when we want to.
Here comes another malnourished sanghi high on cow urine.
You cannot control the Kashmir you have occupied and dreaming about capturing Pakistan administered Kashmir??
 
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Pak should forget it's own interest because it has a weak economy.

The reality is that Pakistan actually has a "weak army", rhetoric of "weak economy" that we have been hearing every now and then is just used as a convenient scapegoat. So much military spending in the last 7 decades and what we get in response is that Pakistan's army is only to "thwart" an aggression, it seems to be incapable/incompetent in imposing any kind of aggression on the enemy before it imposed on Pakistan.
 
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Right. But if there are no aggressors, then what? But remaining prepared is good.
 
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The reality is that Pakistan actually has a "weak army", rhetoric of "weak economy" that we have been hearing every now and then is just used as a convenient scapegoat. So much military spending in the last 7 decades and what we get in response is that Pakistan's army is only to "thwart" an aggression, it seems to be incapable of imposing any kind of aggression on the enemy.

Any effort to change the demography of Kashmir would be consider act of war.
Agree weaker army and economy is a scapegoat.
 
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Yes it costs alot to use Amraams, apfsds, and other munitions. But how much does it cost to fund a fighter with AKs, a few hundred rounds and some grenades??

We should turn up the heat on Indian Army, raise the cost as Doval says. We are not exploiting their states that are yearning for freedom.

They have already labelled us as terrorists and the world especially Israel and US believes firmly in that label. Then I think we should give them a terrorist for real. Bcz this appeasement of past 20 years is clearly not working. Not against India. Certainly not against Israel/US duo.

And I'm not alone to say this. Gen Ijaz Awan, Gen Ghulam Mustafa and Gen Amjad Shoaib have expressed similar views that if this attempt to jog the conscious of the world doesn't work(high probability of it not working) then best option is proxy warfare.

And I believe we should keep up diplomatic/humanitarian pressure and increase the proxy aspect at same time. For max pressure on India. In this situation coward banya is sure to run to international psuedo peace makers.

Otherwise if this appeasement and begging for peace continues India will not budge. Just as Russia didn't budge on Crimea and we all know about Israel.
What do you suggest @Ahmet Pasha? Should Pak go for all-out war? Are you living in Pakistan?

IMHO, Pak is playing its moves sensibly and this is, at best, what Pak can do. Active diplomacy, given the fact that no Muslim country is with us and our economy is in extremely bad shape. I know you already knew this but just to restate, the price tag of a single AMRAAM is $3-5m which were fired in multiple numbers. Just see how much costly is the single engagement with the enemy. Pak will definitely fight when the time will come but there are few other options at the moment that Pak would like to go for.

Heck Israel had the whole world standing against them at UN. Still they moving ahead with deal of the century, Jerusalem capital move, 3rd Temple and the Greater Israel Project.

Inaction aur cowardice k ooper mein Allah ka shukar ada karon??

Yes the leaders are a reflection of masses.

But present muslim leaders of muslim world clearly don't reflect wishes of the muslim masses. Constantly betraying the muslims.

The track record of Pakistani leadership is exactly what scares me.

We all remember PM Gillani debacle. Where he said to Americans you can keep doing drone strikes and we will keep protesting. All visuals for Pakistani public while they had a secret deal with the enemy. And he must've had tacit approval of Gen Kiyani
It's funny if you dislike them.
We have had people who allowed Bin Laden raid and did absolutely nothing. Who went flat on a threat of being bombed and gave away Taliban and Afghanistan. And then we have had people who would have also awarded some peace prize to modi after calling him to Islamabad despite whatever happened to Kashmir.

You have better people now. They are not perfect but why do you expect perfection from them while they are but a reflection of our own inner selves as a whole?

Has Allah not warned us that He will put people above us who are nothing but a reflection of our own deeds and intentions?

Let's be grateful that despite all the corruption and malice, we still have a country and freedom.
The biggest reason for suffering and humiliation is nothing other than ingratitude.

 
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Modi already did what he promised in his party manifesto. Enough for his party to win another term. He does not need to do anything adventurous on border for another 5 years. Is the esteemed general implying that PA will only fight if Modi send IA across LOC ? Isn't this akin to giving a free hand to Indian establishment inside LOC ? Such defensive position when every Pakistani prefers to hear otherwise.
 
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The reality is that Pakistan actually has a "weak army", rhetoric of "weak economy" that we have been hearing every now and then is just used as a convenient scapegoat. So much military spending in the last 7 decades and what we get in response is that Pakistan's army is only to "thwart" an aggression, it seems to be incapable/incompetent in imposing any kind of aggression on the enemy before it imposed on Pakistan.

i am not an expert on war gaming, but i think for the aggressor you need to have 3x size of army of your opponent.
 
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Yes it costs alot to use Amraams, apfsds, and other munitions. But how much does it cost to fund a fighter with AKs, a few hundred rounds and some grenades??

We should turn up the heat on Indian Army, raise the cost as Doval says. We are not exploiting their states that are yearning for freedom.

They have already labelled us as terrorists and the world especially Israel and US believes firmly in that label. Then I think we should give them a terrorist for real. Bcz this appeasement of past 20 years is clearly not working. Not against India. Certainly not against Israel/US duo.

And I'm not alone to say this. Gen Ijaz Awan, Gen Ghulam Mustafa and Gen Amjad Shoaib have expressed similar views that if this attempt to jog the conscious of the world doesn't work(high probability of it not working) then best option is proxy warfare.

And I believe we should keep up diplomatic/humanitarian pressure and increase the proxy aspect at same time. For max pressure on India. In this situation coward banya is sure to run to international psuedo peace makers.

Otherwise if this appeasement and begging for peace continues India will not budge. Just as Russia didn't budge on Crimea and we all know about Israel.


Heck Israel had the whole world standing against them at UN. Still they moving ahead with deal of the century, Jerusalem capital move, 3rd Temple and the Greater Israel Project.

Inaction aur cowardice k ooper mein Allah ka shukar ada karon??

Yes the leaders are a reflection of masses.

But present muslim leaders of muslim world clearly don't reflect wishes of the muslim masses. Constantly betraying the muslims.

The track record of Pakistani leadership is exactly what scares me.

We all remember PM Gillani debacle. Where he said to Americans you can keep doing drone strikes and we will keep protesting. All visuals for Pakistani public while they had a secret deal with the enemy. And he must've had tacit approval of Gen Kiyani
This situation is very tricky. If you intervene you will be labelled as terrorists and aggressors and lose all the political highground that you have achieved the indian media will have a field day and the world pressure will mount on you and even if you gain anything you will have to return it. Only if you are in a defensive mode can you retain conquered land.
In my humble opinion there are a few conditions which need to be fulfilled for us to remain on our political highground. A rise of locals with consequent crackdown on them by IA . THE second situation is either change in demographics of Kashmir or mass rape of women.
A war will have to be planned and enacted at the right time. With winter setting in September and October are not too far away and even if we were to engage we will soon get bogged down due to inclement weather. The losses will be humongous and the weather will be doing the work of the IA.
The better timing might be End March early April. This allows all parties to hone their strategy and go for the kill. This will also allow the Kashmiri Mujahideen to act nd if possible push the Khalsas into action. The combination will make life very difficult for IA and IF the Chinese join in the fray they are in for a drubbing.
I am unaware of the IOK but if it is as hilly as it seems progress may be difficult and fraught with danger and loss of life.
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Any effort to change the demography of Kashmir would be consider act of war.

Trolling aside, which sane Indian will go to live in a warzone like Kashmir leaving aside other metropolitan cities??
These are called game of politics that both Pakistan and India is playing with themselves and also with Valley people...Contrary to expectation, no one will go Kashmir valley to have a heavenly life leaving aside remaining part of India..Removal of 370 is a matter of political ego to BJP supporters rather than any tangible mass movement that will happen in reality..
And coming to Pakistan, it is surprising to see those statements from your army.If Pakistan want to capture Kashmir from India, there is no other choice for Pakistan other than Pakistan Army initiate war...Why would India initiate any full fledged aggression when we have some part Jammu Kashmir is already with us.Unless Pakistan establishment making fool to their public with statements..
 
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Pakistan needs to (if they are not already) quietly go on the offensive. Start pumping in freedom fighters quietly, in the dead of the night. india can no more cry about "terrorism" and "infiltration" since now the case has been solidly made that india is committing genocide in Kashmir and that the masses are rebelling...given the sudden spike in cases of indian army's suicide rates, it seems Pakistan is already doing the afore mentioned. with no way to run, the average indian army/paramilitary soldier would rather commit suicide than be captured by the mujahideen...they know what will happen to them if the mujahideen capture them.
 
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Sanghi's should be prepared for a much stronger response this time from Pakistan.

Although the 27th Feb response was a great punch and that was on their face, the next one will be on their balls.
No, No, No, no, no no no, I preferred Bottoms.
More red, better still.
 
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