Legal process to try May 9 planners, perpetrators under army act begins: COAS

[Goritoes]

Rough Cheap Staff of a rough Army.

 

[TNT]

Those who destroyed the memorials to our martyrs should be forced to stand on the border with Afghanistan or India, or better still, carry out patrols in terrorist hotspots in Waziristan/Balochistan. Maybe then they will learn some respect and gratefulness to the shaheeds who gave their lives for these ungrateful hicks.

Memorials or idols? And shaheed of which independence war exactly? Or u mean shaheed of the losing wars? Are there memorials for the 90,000 pants as well?

 

[Jango]

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Is ka lagta hai wapis anay ka koi irada nhn

 

[Pakistani E]

Memorials or idols? And shaheed of which independence war exactly? Or u mean shaheed of the losing wars? Are there memorials for the 90,000 pants as well?

What is an idol to you? Sounds like TTP speak. No one goes to worship a simple plaque to an individual who gave their life for their country.

And yes, you are still a shaheed if you die fighting for your country even if your country loses the war. Or do you think Muslims that fell in battle before Pakistan are not shaheed and worth remembering because they lost wars?

 

[Black.Mamba]

What is an idol to you? Sounds like TTP speak. No one goes to worship a simple plaque to an individual who gave their life for their country.

And yes, you are still a shaheed if you die fighting for your country even if your country loses the war. Or do you think Muslims that fell in battle before Pakistan are not shaheed and worth remembering because they lost wars?

Allah Journal Asim Munir ko jald shahdat naseeb farmaye - Ameen

 

[Pakistani E]

Allah Journal Asim Munir ko jald shahdat naseeb farmaye - Ameen

Astaghfirullah, us jaisay logo ko shahadat naseeb nahi hoti.

 

[Goenitz]

Those who destroyed the memorials to our martyrs should be forced to stand on the border with Afghanistan or India, or better still, carry out patrols in terrorist hotspots in Waziristan/Balochistan. Maybe then they will learn some respect and gratefulness to the shaheeds who gave their lives for these ungrateful hicks.

Spend a day like a teacher.. earning 30k and teaching 40+ students in one class.. or like a farmer.. toiling day and night and still die a poor. or like a researcher.. studying all his life and still earning equivalent to col or brig.. even Dr (specialists) are getting 70k a month.. or a mason or labourer who works hard and earn 1500 a day or so.,. pay all kind of sales tax and utility bills. Or sanity workers who clean the drain.. full of toxic and acidic chemicals.
Crux: Struggle is not an exclusive

 

[Pakistani E]

Spend a day like a teacher.. earning 30k and teaching 40+ students in one class.. or like a farmer.. toiling day and night and still die a poor. or like a researcher.. studying all his life and still earning equivalent to col or brig.. even Dr (specialists) are getting 70k a month.. or a mason or labourer who works hard and earn 1500 a day or so.,. pay all kind of sales tax and utility bills.

So that justifies destroying the memorials to shaheeds? Go target the people causing you to live like this, not the average soldier who has already given his life for this ungrateful nation, they have no influence on the current state of affairs.

 

[Goenitz]

So that justifies destroying the memorials to shaheeds? Go target the people causing you to live like this, not the average soldier who has already given his life for this ungrateful nation, they have no influence on the current state of affairs.

40+ people were shot at.. some were killed.. women are abducted. children were harassed.. Never knew statues/idols are that much important.
Anyway, do you think 'prosecuting' is raising ranks or respect of the fallen or it is counterproductive,?

If a child is misbehaving or going out of line. What is the goal? behaviour correction and understanding... or punishment.. or shooting him!

The issue is politicians don't care public as they buy votes or rig the elections.. Army doesn't care about the public or jawans.. both are a number and creepy crawly to them. They damn care about their safety, care, sentiment, life, property, etc.

 

[PakFactor]

So that justifies destroying the memorials to shaheeds? Go target the people causing you to live like this, not the average soldier who has already given his life for this ungrateful nation, they have no influence on the current state of affairs.

When Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal was jailed, one of the prison guards came to him and asked him:

"O Abu 'Abdullah! The hadith that is narrated regarding the oppressors and those that aid them, is it authentic?"

He said: "Yes."

The prison guard said, "So, I am considered to be an aide of the oppressors?"

Imam Ahmad replied: "No. The aides of the oppressors are those that comb your hair, wash your clothes, prepare your meals, and buy and sell from you. As for you, you are one of the oppressors themselves."

- 'Manaqib al-Imam Ahmad' by Ibn al-Jawzi p. 397

 

[Pakistani E]

40+ people were shot at.. some were killed.. women are abducted. children were harassed.. Never knew statues/idols are that much important.
Anyway, do you think 'prosecuting' is raising ranks or respect of fallen or it is counterproductive,?

Lmao, now they are idols? What is this TTP/Lal Masjid talk.

Again I ask, how do those dead soldiers who died defending this ungrateful country have any influence on the current rotten lot who are doing all these things?

When Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal was jailed, one of the prison guards came to him and asked him:

"O Abu 'Abdullah! The hadith that is narrated regarding the oppressors and those that aid them, is it authentic?"

He said: "Yes."

The prison guard said, "So, I am considered to be an aide of the oppressors?"

Imam Ahmad replied: "No. The aides of the oppressors are those that comb your hair, wash your clothes, prepare your meals, and buy and sell from you. As for you, you are one of the oppressors themselves."

- 'Manaqib al-Imam Ahmad' by Ibn al-Jawzi p. 397

So the dead are also amongst the oppressors? Especially the dead who died defending this country?

 

[PakFactor]

Lmao, now they are idols? What is this TTP/Lal Masjid talk.

Again I ask, how do those dead soldiers who died defending this ungrateful country have any influence on the current rotten lot who are doing all these things?



So the dead are also amongst the oppressors? Especially the dead who died defending this country?

There is no such thing as the average soldier, who is part of an institution, takes orders and carries it out just as that prison guard. You, as a soldier, own all that is commanded of you.
I'm sorry, but even our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said the life of a Muslim is worth more than the Kabba; what are these monuments? Are they worth more than the Kabba? That you took life after committing a wrong.

As for the Shaheed, it's between him and Allah. However, rather than the title, you should view how the individual went out from this world and what he's left behind and cherish any good acts or values he left.

In the U.S., when a soldier dies, they don't talk about his martyrism but rather the values he's left behind, a whole different concept of viewing success and building upon that person's legacy. We've only repeated past mistakes, building upon them and looking where it's gotten us.

Pakistanis need a deeper introspection on how they should view things overall. Before, it was worshipping political individuals, and now monuments?

 

[Pakistani E]

There is no such thing as the average soldier, who is part of an institution, takes orders and carries it out just as that prison guard. You, as a soldier, own all that is commanded of you.
I'm sorry, but even our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said the life of a Muslim is worth more than the Kabba; what are these monuments they are worth more than the Kabba?

Pakistanis need a deeper introspection on how they should view things overall. Beyond it was worshipping political individuals and now monuments?

You know as well as anyone that no one worships these monuments, they are often times ignored and crumbling reminder to the few people who bother to look at them that there are hundreds of unnamed souls who came out of poor isolated villages to give their lives for a most ungrateful people in return for nothing.

Which brings me back to my point, are the dead, who have no role in influencing the current leadership, also part of the oppressors? If so, then fair enough, we should ensure not a single monument to any shaheed remains standing, such symbols of idoltary shouldn't exist in an Islamic nation. Maybe we could ask the Taliban for help, since they have some expertise in that department

 

[PakFactor]

You know as well as anyone that no one worships these monuments, they are often times ignored and crumbling reminder to the few people who bother to look at them that there are hundreds of unnamed souls who came out of poor isolated villages to give their lives for a most ungrateful people in return for nothing.

Which brings me back to my point, are the dead, who have no role in influencing the current leadership, also part of the oppressors? If so, then fair enough, we should ensure not a single monument to any shaheed remains standing, such symbols of idoltary shouldn't exist in an Islamic nation. Maybe we could ask the Taliban for help, since they have some expertise in that department

Firstly you need to stop calling people ungrateful because, from an outside perspective, many wrongs have been done to regular folks in the country. Propping up despot leaders like Bhutto, Nawaz, Zardari, etc., martial law leaders weren't angels and committed crimes during their rule. Many enriched themselves and left people destitute. So if there are grievances, did anyone ask them? Did they try and rectify the errors of their way?

If that dead, ultimately, was responsible for a situation that resulted in a corrupt influence and leadership, then yes, he's responsible. But, I agree, per Islam, there should be no monuments; if allowed, we'd have a Badr monument, and photos of the Shaheed splashed everywhere.

Side note: many use expletives, spit, and often have desecrated the dead monuments in the U.S., but the U.S. government protected their rights and apologized for wrongs if done; they never went on a rabid dog witch hunt. That is the difference between a civilized society that learns from the errors of their way and one run by jahils.

Neither has the U.S. targeted someone's mother, daughter, or sister. The last several days have shown a low-class characteristic of non-Khandani blood; a Khandani family wouldn't marry into these types.

The U.S. is more in line with following Islamic tenants than most of the Islamic World, including Pakistan.

 

[TNT]

What is an idol to you? Sounds like TTP speak. No one goes to worship a simple plaque to an individual who gave their life for their country.

And yes, you are still a shaheed if you die fighting for your country even if your country loses the war. Or do you think Muslims that fell in battle before Pakistan are not shaheed and worth remembering because they lost wars?

Torturing the loving for hirting idols is akin to worshipping the idols. Also they give an impression as if they have gives lives to win something for us, when in reality it were their own fault. Also stop with this drama of fighting for muslim country, the very same muslims they now torture and oppress.