PAF's New Challenge : India Ordering, Modernizing SU-30MKIs

[perplexed]

I fear that PAF fighters won't even take off with the kind of fighters they have..

 

[Mani2020]

It is not just about defence for the IAF. As per the new doctrine, the IAF's aim is to take the war to the enemy, and they are adamant that future wars should be fought in enemy airspace. We can defend against the PAF without the MKIs - mirages, mig29s, mig-21s (for now) and a large number of LCAs in future can easily defend against the PAF. Long range heavy hitters cum air superiority fighters like the MKI are meant to go on the offensive. The MKI-Rafale combo can do this against China. (Of course, China has enough heavy hitters to hit back deep into India as well.) But these heavy air superiority fighters also have their part to play against Pakistan, if we want to penetrate the defensive shield of JF-17s. Our lighter aircrafts cannot do that.

By the way your assumption that the IAF will never put all its asssets against pak may not be true. I know that our planners are planning for the eventuality of a two front war, but it is only a remote possibility. China has nothing much to gain by sneaking in while we are at war with pak, other than the small contested territories. But its loss will be a lot more - either in the form of territory, or more possibly, in how it will hurt the huge market that India is for Chinese goods. Indo-Chinese relations are a lot better than what you might think from reading PDFites.

Anyway, since we have these heavy hitters in our AF, we wouldn't have to deploy all of them in the west. They can take off from bases in the east and still comfortably strike targets in pak, and return.

Does Pakistan still plan to aquire 250 JF-17s, or have the numbers been scaled down? If they do aquire that many, they are an excellent choice (along with the F-16s) to defend the airspace and make it costly for IAF to attack. The MKI-rafale combo is a must for IAF to maintain complete superiority.

The plan is still to acquire 250 in different blocks along with all upgraded and new f-16s with around 80 in numbers and future acquisition of another fighter is on the cards may it be fc-20 or another fighter jet but most probably it would be from china as we dont have good economy and china is facilitating us with soft loans options

@rest of your post...even if there is a probability of China might not attacking in minds of many indians but still you dont want to leave your doors open for china ...you cant take such chance against the foe of such strength and consuming all your assets against one foe will not be rational .... Rafales are still to arrive so are LCA same is the case of remaining 200 jf-17s ...so at current Paf with ~80f-16s with latest weapons , ~50 jf-17s, some modified mirages and f-7pg it looks roughly at par with IAF if you put aside mkis ....mkis are the only aircrafts that makes a huge difference but again PAF's doctrine is to defend her territory so these aircrafts with good SAMs are enough to defend the airspace

Rest on overall technological end as i already have said iaf is better compared to PAF

 

[roshangjha]

Arey, Tum loug challenge karo tu jawab dey gey na.....last time pura saal border pey jhak mar key wapis chaley gayee thay. !!

Waqt kaatne ke liye ye kahaani padho

Once upon a time, there was a man and a few cockroaches. The cockroaches would enter his bedroom, his kitchen, his bathroom and scare his children. The man would kill a few of them occasionally as and when he saw them.

One day, the man decided to just find their HQ's and crush all of them at once. He opened an old furniture and saw dozens of them hiding there. He quickly closed and packed the furniture and bought a cockroach killer and started thinking of killing all of them at once.

But then, he did not want to take so many lives and so, he just threw the cockroaches with the old furniture out of his home. And at the end of the day, the cockroaches said: "DARR GAYA"


Just a story. No message conveyed


On topic: Awesome aircraft. Well done, IAF.

 

[Mani2020]

I fear that PAF fighters won't even take off with the kind of fighters they have..

yeah you are right if you are in a good dream mood or playing a flight simulator

 

[GURU DUTT]

Waqt kaatne ke liye ye kahaani padho

Once upon a time, there was a man and a few cockroaches. The cockroaches would enter his bedroom, his kitchen, his bathroom and scare his children. The man would kill a few of them occasionally as and when he saw them.

One day, the man decided to just find their HQ's and crush all of them at once. He opened an old furniture and saw dozens of them hiding there. He quickly closed and packed the furniture and bought a cockroach killer and started thinking of killing all of them at once.

But then, he did not want to take so many lives and so, he just threw the cockroaches with the old furniture out of his home. And at the end of the day, the cockroaches said: "DARR GAYA"


Just a story. No message conveyed


On topic: Awesome aircraft. Well done, IAF.

Sir jithats called a Realli awesome post well your realli good wish i had posted that .........sirji tussi te chakk ditte ne fatte

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

Shenyang J-31 + PL-21 ramjet long range AAM.

 

[sancho]

so at current Paf with ~80f-16s with latest weapons , ~50 jf-17s, some modified mirages and f-7pg it looks roughly at par with IAF if you put aside mkis

Comparable with IAFs lower end, Mig 29, Mirage 2000, Jags and Bisons, but as you said, there is still the high end with the MKI. In numbers equal to PAFs F16s and JF17, but technically superior.

 

[Mani2020]

Comparable with IAFs lower end, Mig 29, Mirage 2000, Jags and Bisons, but as you said, there is still the high end with the MKI. In numbers equal to PAFs F16s and JF17, but technically superior.

yeah thats why i said putting aside mkis

 

[Ammyy]

Kohi shaq nahi'n.....Indian tax payers ki bahut achi tara maar rahey hain.

Tum to doosro se mang lete ho ....Hame to yar apna hi paisa lagana padega

 

[sancho]

yeah thats why i said putting aside mkis

But you can't simply putting them aside, that was my point. Many Pakistani members do that and thought that Rafale would be the one to counter, although MKI is, not to mention that Mig 29s and M2K get credible upgrades too, which are comparable to JF 17 Block 2 upgrades, PAF gets closer in numbers and capability to IAFs lower end, but there is still a clear difference in numbers and techs.
However, PAF currently has currently the tactical advantage with better AWACS coverage and even cruise missile strike capability.

 

[Hulk]

Fan boys aur internet warriors ki koiy kami nahin.....plane jo bi ho......flying tu akhir Indian pilot ney hi karney hey. !!

Calling others fanboys and then calling Indian pilots inferior based on 40 year old data? The piolts are all retired and things have changed considerably. Anyways fanboys are always fanboys.

 

[GORKHALI]

Kohi shaq nahi'n.....Indian tax payers ki bahut achi tara maar rahey hain.

Dikha di na aakhir bhikhari wali mentality!!! It seems like PAF is on payroll by some other country !

 

[perplexed]

PAFs new challenge will be to stop their pilots from taking voluntary retirements

 

[Screambowl]

Arey, Tum loug challenge karo tu jawab dey gey na.....last time pura saal border pey jhak mar key wapis chaley gayee thay. !!

wo isliye kyunki tum logo ki baat nuclear weapon se shuru hoti hai or nuclear weapon par khatam. toh humey bhi fauj bhejne ka shauk nahi. 3-4 agni bhejdenge kaam ho jayega

 

[Ayush]

Kohi shaq nahi'n.....Indian tax payers ki bahut achi tara maar rahey hain.

haan bilkul hamari suraksha(security) ke liye.