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you're saying that PAF training is better than Chinese?

Pfft.

You have to remember we have fought a dozen wars, and countless operations against Militants. Our military is very experienced, they've gone through a lot of trial and errors; in order to avoid these errors in the future our military's training is constantly being updated. Giving us a strategic edge over many countries. We have learnt alot from our Chinese brothers, but they also have learnt alot from us. Although the Chinese Military isnt actively fighting a current insurgency, our experience and information may be very valuable if in the future they do engage in unconventional warfare.

Besides the Army, our pilots are one of the best trained and most experienced in the world, managing to take down 113 Indian jets with the lost 19 aircraft not to mention we also engaged with "Middle East's most trained" Israeli Air Force in which we shot down 11 of their jets without losing one of ours. The Experience isn't decreasing due to the fact we air strike terrorists day and night. Our experience is valuable to the Chinese and probably in the future our pilots will be training theirs.

We however lack a well trained and experienced Navy, our Chinese friends could fix that solution. :china:
 
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Again modern air combat? The combat from 1970s vs soviets? Because this "modern combat" failed to detect the 2011 attack and failed to keep up with the Americans after initial intrusion, despite the Americans being around for couple of hours in total time. And the excuse you came up with "oh our western border is friendly and taliban don't fly."

Oh and it is true that PLAAF has not fought as many wars as PAF has, but we should not forget a near 20 year long Vietnam war, in which they were on constant alert.

So why don't you stop quoting if you have no facts to present, apart from your "opinion."
You should go to some institute at least the standard of Royal Military Academy or exceeding and help them in Military History subject. I'll not reply to you further whatever you say and I hope no other member should either.

First coming to PLAAF and it may annoy Chinese members a little. China had a third rate military by any standards except numerical superiority untill recent years. And they relied on numerical superiority even more than Russians in their early days when sent hundreds and thousands of soldiers in the line of fire to overwhelm enemy using numbers and sadly, lost more than enough. In WW2 they hired U.S pilots to fight on their side, known as 'Flying Tigers'. After 48 and during Korean war, they were not well-trained and Russians didn't train them well and Koreans as a whole. As a North Korean pilot who defected after war with his MiG-15(I don't remember his name right now) told, that they were just taught basic controls and nothing about dogfighting or aerial combat. During Korean War, they got either shot down over MiG-Alley or if they got chance, dumped all their ammo and made a run across Yalu river to their home bases. Should we also talk about the days when a PLAAF MiG-15 landed with an un-exploded Sidewinder stuck in his machine fired from a Taiwanese Sabre? 62 with India can't be said a triumph if you talk exclusively about PLAAF. After the Sino-Soviet split, who else were they training with? And so advanced was the PLAAF during Vietnam War that, When Russia shipped MiGs to Vietnam through China, Chinese took out original avionics and put domestic ones in them. 90s is when PLAAF really and Chinese forces realized many fact about equipment and training and moved toward the right direction. And now, one can see they have started to show their abilities.

PAF on the other hand, is a different stories. When it got settled, it had good equipment and comparable training. Other vital fact is that the leadership was far-seeing and training has been the core of PAF ever since. Though it saw down-times too but over-all it emerges superior to many competitors if you take in consideration the harsh realities which the service and country have faced. Another good thing about PAF's training is, its diversity. Our pilots are flying many types in many countries including China, Middle East and at the doors of Europe while PLAAF lacks that kind of perks considering how much can you learn from different experiences and equipment. And results speak, with PAF being the sole shooter of zionist jets without any loss and Russians too, if you think they were something.

And btw, what if I say you that Paf had detected the U.S aircraft, can you tell me who would have made the decision to shoot 'em down?
 
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That was in regard to comment he had posted.

Have you failed to remember our discussion about Vietnam war? And I mentioning other wars as well?

Notice how you said "Korean war alone is greater than Pakistan/Indian conflicts. " China has not just fought one war, as you yourself mentioned some other ones. And they have not just faced a single country aircrafts (soviet planes and Indians mostly used Soviet planes too).

Would you like me to point you the discussion about these wars we had?

You should go to some institute at least the standard of Royal Military Academy or exceeding and help them in Military History subject. I'll not reply to you further whatever you say and I hope no other member should either.

First coming to PLAAF and it may annoy Chinese members a little. China had a third rate military by any standards except numerical superiority untill recent years. And they relied on numerical superiority even more than Russians in their early days when sent hundreds and thousands of soldiers in the line of fire to overwhelm enemy using numbers and sadly, lost more than enough. In WW2 they hired U.S pilots to fight on their side, known as 'Flying Tigers'. After 48 and during Korean war, they were not well-trained and Russians didn't train them well and Koreans as a whole. As a North Korean pilot who defected after war with his MiG-15(I don't remember his name right now) told, that they were just taught basic controls and nothing about dogfighting or aerial combat. During Korean War, they got either shot down over MiG-Alley or if they got chance, dumped all their ammo and made a run across Yalu river to their home bases. Should we also talk about the days when a PLAAF MiG-15 landed with an un-exploded Sidewinder stuck in his machine fired from a Taiwanese Sabre? 62 with India can't be said a triumph if you talk exclusively about PLAAF. After the Sino-Soviet split, who else were they training with? And so advanced was the PLAAF during Vietnam War that, When Russia shipped MiGs to Vietnam through China, Chinese took out original avionics and put domestic ones in them. 90s is when PLAAF really and Chinese forces realized many fact about equipment and training and moved toward the right direction. And now, one can see they have started to show their abilities.

PAF on the other hand, is a different stories. When it got settled, it had good equipment and comparable training. Other vital fact is that the leadership was far-seeing and training has been the core of PAF ever since. Though it saw down-times too but over-all it emerges superior to many competitors if you take in consideration the harsh realities which the service and country have faced. Another good thing about PAF's training is, its diversity. Our pilots are flying many types in many countries including China, Middle East and at the doors of Europe while PLAAF lacks that kind of perks considering how much can you learn from different experiences and equipment. And results speak, with PAF being the sole shooter of zionist jets without any loss and Russians too, if you think they were something.

And btw, what if I say you that Paf had detected the U.S aircraft, can you tell me who would have made the decision to shoot 'em down?
You will not reply to me further? Good. I won't read your post. If you just post a bunch of text and tell me that you won't be reading what I have to say (Regardless of me agreeing or disagreeing), then I wouldn't waste my time reading yours.

Have seen Paf pilots 1st hand , one of the best air boys u will meet anywhere .who ever fly's a fighter jet he is best no matter what flag he has
Indeed. There is extreme rigorous training. No country gives a $20 m jet to some inexperienced pilot. Because if the plane crashes, that's some funds that won't be recovered and the pilot won't be liable to pay for it either. Let's not forget that so many people want to become air force pilots. Either use this route so they can become commercial pilot later on without paying thousands of dollars for training and getting paid while they rack up their hours. So the airforce does get the best cream of the crop. Highly intelligent and disciplined.


I had a friend in US and her job was to test jets that were classified. One time she ended up using too much power for her jet which caused it to crash. Didn't disclose much information as it was classified. In the end, she didn't have to pay for the loss of jet and she was just off work for sometime as things were investigated. Oh and she was a good pilot, actually owned a jet herself (forgot which it was but it was some trainer jet).

You have to remember we have fought a dozen wars, and countless operations against Militants. Our military is very experienced, they've gone through a lot of trial and errors; in order to avoid these errors in the future our military's training is constantly being updated. Giving us a strategic edge over many countries. We have learnt alot from our Chinese brothers, but they also have learnt alot from us. Although the Chinese Military isnt actively fighting a current insurgency, our experience and information may be very valuable if in the future they do engage in unconventional warfare.

Besides the Army, our pilots are one of the best trained and most experienced in the world, managing to take down 113 Indian jets with the lost 19 aircraft not to mention we also engaged with "Middle East's most trained" Israeli Air Force in which we shot down 11 of their jets without losing one of ours. The Experience isn't decreasing due to the fact we air strike terrorists day and night. Our experience is valuable to the Chinese and probably in the future our pilots will be training theirs.

We however lack a well trained and experienced Navy, our Chinese friends could fix that solution. :china:


I don't know if we will be training Chinese pilots in future, but as of now, (I read somewhere, can't find source now) we do train middle eastern pilots. Indeed our military and airforce is quite advance and both regularly help middle east.
 
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Can you shed some light when was PLAAF employed against any country in full scale war like PAF? Leave alone fighting superior Air Force.

Taiwan-war, Vietnam-war, Korea-war etc. just googel it and read military history !
 
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Forgive my ignorance but can you please expand on "Taiwan War" with PLAAF perspective?
 
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Forgive my ignorance but can you please expand on "Taiwan War" with PLAAF perspective?
I'm not the PLAAF expert nor a Chinese, so I wouldn't know much. From what I've read, the Taiwan thing occured when PRC during the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis. At first, US gave F-86 sabres to Taiwan (which were better planes than Chinese) In the end however, In the end, the conflict ended as US threatened to use nukes and at that time China didn't have nukes.

If a Chinese member reads this, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Forgive my ignorance but can you please expand on "Taiwan War" with PLAAF perspective?
It's a series of clashes over disputed islands in Taiwan strait. According to disclosed USAF documents, Taiwanese downed 32 confirmed, 3 probables, 10 damaged in 25 separate engagements while losing 2 F-86Fs and 2 F-84Gs. Attributing Chinese losses to poor training among other factors. Chinese pilots only pulled 2.5-3 'g'
 
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I gather that this thread is to satisfy Mr. WishLivePak. I'm outta here!
 
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Paf has not fired a shot in angar against adversary for over three decades.

They have only just acquired bvr and awacs capability decade after their neighbours.

Their funding for training is miniscule and this must have a massive impact in flying hours and training of their pilots.

They lack serious modern simulators and very infrequent overseas multi training with world class air forces bar occasional one off programmes with Saudi or turkey.

Look accross the border.

USA France and raf every two years like clock work fit s decade.

Singopore permanent base of block 52,falcons in India for training.

It's all about money.

Which is s real handicap for Pakistan.

This paf is world class just does not add up loooking at their hardware doctrine and budget
 
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