PAF training comparison

[WishLivePak]

what Pakistan can offer China cant, that is PAF training.

you're saying that PAF training is better than Chinese?

Pfft.

 

[xyxmt]

you're saying that PAF training is better than Chinese?

Pfft.

its a Pakistani concept, Pakistani design, with lots of input from Pakistani pilots. You have any doubts about the capability of Pakistani pilots?
NAF already gets training from PAF

 

[Paksanity]

PAF has fought wars and did well. PAF participates in international exercises. These two experiences are important and not available to Chinese AF.

Dual seat version is a limitation but not a deal breaker. Pilots who already have experience on, say F7 can fly it just like they do in Pakistan.

 

[Pangu]

Pakistani pilots are highly regarded with respect from Chinese pilots, no doubt about that. Training with them has brought invaluable exp. for our guys. I hope this Nigerian deal goes through, Pakistan should enjoy the fruits of it's labor in the JF-17.

 

[SQ8]

you're saying that PAF training is better than Chinese?

Pfft.

Anything to refute that claim? The fact is, the Chinese have a different philosophy of training as compared to the PAF. They learnt a lot of things from us, perhaps you should visit the country more often to get a better appreciation of what is "pfft" and what is actually rather good.

 

[Bratva]

you're saying that PAF training is better than Chinese?

Pfft.

Chinese air force ‘deeply impressed by PAF’s aggressive combat style’

 

[WishLivePak]

its a Pakistani concept, Pakistani design, with lots of input from Pakistani pilots. You have any doubts about the capability of Pakistani pilots?
NAF already gets training from PAF

China also helped built it.

Chinese air force ‘deeply impressed by PAF’s aggressive combat style’

A pakistani news website.

Bring me some partial website to "wow" me.

Anything to refute that claim? The fact is, the Chinese have a different philosophy of training as compared to the PAF. They learnt a lot of things from us, perhaps you should visit the country more often to get a better appreciation of what is "pfft" and what is actually rather good.

China has more funds to better train their pilots. They also have better technology (ignoring jets). Also they have a lot of experience fighting foreign forces, while Pakistan has only experience with India (which they excelled at). They (Pakistan) do train with other nations and whatnot, but Chinese airforce is far better trained due to more funding, more and more jets being made from ground up, which means they know more inside out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to know more about PAF. I did fancy the idea of joining PAF at one time when I was in military school, so it is isn't' personal hate I've for PAF but based on actualities.

 

[Paksanity]

Can you shed some light when was PLAAF employed against any country in full scale war like PAF? Leave alone fighting superior Air Force.

 

[Viper0011.]

you're saying that PAF training is better than Chinese?

Pfft.

Wow, Happy New Years to you. Obviously, this would be the first big news of the year to you....that the PAF is regarded much above the Chinese Air Force in dog fighting and in WVR / close combat. The Chinese have learned a LOT from PAF's pilots through exercises. In fact, there were news that the Chinese modified their playbook for Pilot training to add a DACT like process.

It is widely believed that the recent "barrel role" that a Chinese J-11 jet did in front of a US surveillance plane was thought to have come as a result of many exercises with the PAF. Which had built its own Dog Fighting doctrine and training from no other but the US's "Top Gun" (previously known as the Fighter Weapons School). DACT is pretty much the backbone of PAF's training curriculum. Due to close proximity with India, this training will always be relevant in this scenario, no matter how many BVR's are fired.

 

[Kompromat]

China also helped built it.


A pakistani news website.

Bring me some partial website to "wow" me.

China has more funds to better train their pilots. They also have better technology (ignoring jets). Also they have a lot of experience fighting foreign forces, while Pakistan has only experience with India (which they excelled at). They (Pakistan) do train with other nations and whatnot, but Chinese airforce is far better trained due to more funding, more and more jets being made from ground up, which means they know more inside out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to know more about PAF. I did fancy the idea of joining PAF at one time when I was in military school, so it is isn't' personal hate I've for PAF but based on actualities.

PAF is by far the most experienced organisation in Knife Fighting aka DACT in the entire region.

Soviet Air confrontations with Pakistan Air Force, during Soviet-Afghan War.

 

[That Guy]

China also helped built it.


A pakistani news website.

Bring me some partial website to "wow" me.


China has more funds to better train their pilots. They also have better technology (ignoring jets). Also they have a lot of experience fighting foreign forces, while Pakistan has only experience with India (which they excelled at). They (Pakistan) do train with other nations and whatnot, but Chinese airforce is far better trained due to more funding, more and more jets being made from ground up, which means they know more inside out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to know more about PAF. I did fancy the idea of joining PAF at one time when I was in military school, so it is isn't' personal hate I've for PAF but based on actualities.

Training and experience are two different things. Put two PAF pilots and two PLAAF pilots against each other in the same type of fighter, PAF would win 10/10 times. That's not to say that PLAAF pilots are bad, they just lack experience.

 

[WishLivePak]

PAF is by far the most experienced organisation in Knife Fighting aka DACT in the entire region.

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Soviet Air confrontations with Pakistan Air Force, during Soviet-Afghan War.

Thanks, this is what I was looking for.

To others, if there are documentaries or something else, feel free to share.

Training and experience are two different things. Put two PAF pilots and two PLAAF pilots against each other in the same type of fighter, PAF would win 10/10 times. That's not to say that PLAAF pilots are bad, they just lack experience.

They do have experience, which is from many battles they fought. Such as during WW2, Korean war and actively helping out in Vietnam war. They were up against coalations and some of the world's best fighters/pilots.

Now it is imaginary to say "if both fly same aircraft PAF will beat them" because there are no proven facts. However, what Horus offers is proven facts, which is, PAF taking down superior aircrafts. For example, PAF winning vs typhoons and whatnot.

However, I must add that Saudi pilots are awful compared to PAF. But it is very surprising that without the better technology, PAF were able to fight better.


The reason why I initially and still to little extent (after reading up some data posted here) is because China can afford simulators/expensive computers. This allows pilots to practice many different environments/fighting against the odds. Not sure if PAF has simulators on par as what US/China uses.

 

[That Guy]

Thanks, this is what I was looking for.

To others, if there are documentaries or something else, feel free to share.


They do have experience, which is from many battles they fought. Such as during WW2, Korean war and actively helping out in Vietnam war. They were up against coalations and some of the world's best fighters/pilots.

Now it is imaginary to say "if both fly same aircraft PAF will beat them" because there are no proven facts. However, what Horus offers is proven facts, which is, PAF taking down superior aircrafts. For example, PAF winning vs typhoons and whatnot.

However, I must add that Saudi pilots are awful compared to PAF. But it is very surprising that without the better technology, PAF were able to fight better.


The reason why I initially and still to little extent (after reading up some data posted here) is because China can afford simulators/expensive computers. This allows pilots to practice many different environments/fighting against the odds. Not sure if PAF has simulators on par as what US/China uses.

Here is where you're misunderstanding the issue. The Chinese have experience in old warzones, not modern ones. The closest they came was their own incursion into vietnam and that doesn't really count for much. Modern air combat experience is extremely lacking with China, while Pakistan has extensive experience.

What I stated about PAF beating them 10/10 was, admittedly, an exaggeration, but it is no exaggeration to say that PAF would win, that is not subjective, that is an objective fact.

Your way of thinking is "superior tech beats experience", when in reality, that is not how the world works. In many cases pilot experience is far more important than the system they use; which is to say, not that the system isn't important, but the fighters are nothing but flying coffins if the pilots don't know what they're doing.

Simulations can only do so much to prepare you, it's actual combat that will harden you. PAF's operational doctrine is based on experience, PLAAF doctrine is based upon theory.

These are things that the Chinese themselves fully admit to, because they know their own strengths and weaknesses better than you do.

 

[Bratva]

@WishLivePak A chinese air force general quoted verbatim and you are making lame and silly excuses? google and you will find chinese sources,

 

[WishLivePak]

Here is where you're misunderstanding the issue. The Chinese have experience in old warzones, not modern ones. The closest they came was their own incursion into vietnam and that doesn't really count for much. Modern air combat experience is extremely lacking with China, while Pakistan has extensive experience.

What I stated about PAF beating them 10/10 was, admittedly, an exaggeration, but it is no exaggeration to say that PAF would win, that is not subjective, that is an objective fact.

Your way of thinking is "superior tech beats experience", when in reality, that is not how the world works. In many cases pilot experience is far more important than the system they use; which is to say, not that the system isn't important, but the fighters are nothing but flying coffins if the pilots don't know what they're doing.

Simulations can only do so much to prepare you, it's actual combat that will harden you. PAF's operational doctrine is based on experience, PLAAF doctrine is based upon theory.

These are things that the Chinese themselves fully admit to, because they know their own strengths and weaknesses better than you do.

There is some misunderstanding and some agreement.

I did say that superior tech is useful, but didn't say it beats experience. Also, it is true that China has experience from early era. But I don't recall much action from PAF after the soviet war. In recent history, we did fail to detect the abbotabad operation by US. If there is, please link. Experience being jets vs jets, not the current war on terror.