PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[SQ8]

Really admire PAF for being so nimble and dynamic in its acquisitions.

IAF and the bureaucracy here makes any acquisition such a long drawn process. This kind of dynamic change while the airframes are almost ready (like BK IIIs) are unthinkable here.

The new IAF leadership apparently is more dynamic and is focusing on bypassing as much of the red tape as possible - using political pressure to get bureaucrats to sign things through.

However, that means unfortunately in some cases they are providing leverage to certain political groups to extract “favors” later in terms of favorable contracts for their constituents or otherwise.

The Indian ADGE is an example where this fast track process was applied and pretty soon will make any offensive process outside to the PAF lethal (one way missions for the most part if stand off weapons are not used from Pakistan airspace).

 

[Princeps Senatus]

EW system upgrades (now akin to a AIDEWS-lite)

Integrated right? Not pod based

 

[VkdIndian]

The new IAF leadership apparently is more dynamic and is focusing on bypassing as much of the red tape as possible - using political pressure to get bureaucrats to sign things through.

When bureaucracy word is used, it is applicable to not just the babus but IAF, HAL, DRDO and many more.
All of them play games to protect the turf.

IAF to a lesser extent but still a part of it. At times when they do try to do good, they are held back due to other players including babus. Tejas started off well but HAL tried to palm off half finished product. IAF resisted it since they knew that they would be stuck with an unfinished product with HAL not making any attempt to improve further. All players worked in own pockets with very less lateral coordination. Why didn’t IAF and HAL work together in the initial stage to iron out all the hiccups? Turf games it was.

JF-17 too had so many issues when it was inducted. But it was PAFs child and they knew that they could make changes as things went along. Which they did. IAF couldn’t do the same with Tejas due to HALs poor track record and IAFs lack of say or control in the matter. This was babudom at its best.

For PAF, they don’t have so many layers to go though to get something. They have complete control over the entire process and that shows.
In Block III case, I am sure they are just holding off and are evaluating to make critical changes in the equipment and they wouldn’t have faced so much trouble in doing it. In India, similar attempt is unlikely to succeed. Political parties would start a shit storm and no government would even try such a thing due to possible backlash.

 

[MastanKhan]

When bureaucracy word is used, it is applicable to not just the babus but IAF, HAL, DRDO and many more.
All of them play games to protect the turf.

IAF to a lesser extent but still a part of it. At times when they do try to do good, they are held back due to other players including babus. Tejas started off well but HAL tried to palm off half finished product. IAF resisted it since they knew that they would be stuck with an unfinished product with HAL not making any attempt to improve further. All players worked in own pockets with very less lateral coordination. Why didn’t IAF and HAL work together in the initial stage to iron out all the hiccups? Turf games it was.

JF-17 too had so many issues when it was inducted. But it was PAFs child and they knew that they could make changes as things went along. Which they did. IAF couldn’t do the same with Tejas due to HALs poor track record and IAFs lack of say or control in the matter. This was babudom at its best.

For PAF, they don’t have so many layers to go though to get something. They have complete control over the entire process and that shows.
In Block III case, I am sure they are just holding off and are evaluating to make critical changes in the equipment and they wouldn’t have faced so much trouble in doing it. In India, similar attempt is unlikely to succeed. Political parties would start a shit storm and no government would even try such a thing due to possible backlash.

Hi,

Actually the JF17 had very few issues with the aircraft istelf. What was decided up front---pretty much stayed the same---.

Whatever setbacks that happened were due to france cancelling the original EW package deal---.

The engine issue---Paf already knew going in that the chinese engine may not be ready---.

 

[VkdIndian]

Actually the JF17 had very few issues with the aircraft istelf. What was decided up front---pretty much stayed the same---.

Yeah.
Actually, the initial requirement and QRs weren’t set too high. When it was inducted it didn’t have night flying capability and many weapons also weren’t integrated.
Not a bad decision considering various reasons discussed in detail on various threads.
Incremental upgrades have continued till date and worked well for PAF.
Block III appears to be more than an incremental upgrade and that may be the reason for unexpected delay in its induction.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yeah.
Actually, the initial requirement and QRs weren’t set too high. When it was inducted it didn’t have night flying capability and many weapons also weren’t integrated.
Not a bad decision considering various reasons discussed in detail on various threads.
Incremental upgrades have continued till date and worked well for PAF.
Block III appears to be more than an incremental upgrade and that may be the reason for unexpected delay in its induction.

Hi,

That was the basis of the " Modular Design "----for a stair step progression---.

Progress at a step at a time---.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

That was the basis of the " Modular Design "----for a stair step progression---.

Progress at a step at a time---.

Any indication that the Block 3 is going to switch to a Chinese engine, considering the Russian supply issue doe to their war? Or have the Russian engines already been secured/delivered?

Btw, when the Russian engines reach the end of their service life (2000-4000 hours), are they rebuild over and over again and operated for the life of the aircraft?

 

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[Deino]

Even at the risk I destroy some member's hopes, the alleged spine-equipped "J-10D" is surely for Pakistan! Here it is, the new J-10CY for the "Ba Yi" aerobatics team.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Even at the risk I destroy some member's hopes, the alleged spine-equipped "J-10D" is surely for Pakistan! Here it is, the new J-10CY for the "Ba Yi" aerobatics team.

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I don’t get it though, they modified an entire platform just for aerobatics? What gives? There has to be more to it than that. How could adding a spine help with aerobatics. If it’s a maneuverability thing, would we not see it on actual fighters first?

 

[Deino]

I don’t get it though, they modified an entire platform just for aerobatics? What gives? There has to be more to it than that. How could adding a spine help with aerobatics. If it’s a maneuverability thing, would we not see it on actual fighters first?

Actually I don’t know and cannot explain what’s the PLAAF‘s reasoning behind this decision and IMO it has no aerodynamic reason, but most likely only holds a fuel/oil tank for the smoke generator… otherwise the same feature could hold avionics on an operational bird, but here it is indeed unlikely.

 

[WaqarAhmed161247]

Actually I don’t know and cannot explain what’s the PLAAF‘s reasoning behind this decision and IMO it has no aerodynamic reason, but most likely only holds a fuel/oil tank for the smoke generator… otherwise the same feature could hold avionics on an operational bird, but here it is indeed unlikely.

When the third batch of j 10c is expected to land in pak sirzameen sir,

 

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