PAF has requested for an increase of 1.5 billion dollar in the budget.

[SecretMission]

Medium weight fighter like J-10B will replace old Mirages of PAF

JF-17 is capable of doing what j-10b can do so no need for new aircraft unless its 5th gen

 

[Talon]

Best options for pakistan will be either J-10B or Chinese Flankers

PAF dropped the J10 option long ago...we already hv Vipers and JFT...accquring some same level/role aircraft i.e J10 doesnt make any sense..
P.S PAF Vipers already took down J10s in friendly missions so no way we are getting j10s

 

[Basel]

no need of more F-16 because F-16 BVR is equal to JF-17 block II . so SU-35 is coming for sure !

If one go by rumors then many here also claimed that EFT is also possible.

no need of more F-16 because F-16 BVR is equal to JF-17 block II . so SU-35 is coming for sure !

If one go by rumors then many here also claimed that EFT is also possible.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

More jf-17s can't cost that much, plus already 300 jf 17 thunders are more than enough. 250 was original order with 50 as backup, hence 300 are already allocated for. Hence it's not for jf-17.

J-10b was scrapped by senior PAF officials as it didn't bring that much a change from f-16s , PAF is looking to invest in something better than f-16s for medium category fighters, hence j-10b for PAF is out of question unless we need them immediately for stop gap purposes which is highly unlikely.

Chinese Flanders are a no no. Flankers of chinese origin have never been on export market or export exhibitions. Hence very less chance of them being sold to pakistan. Although Chinese officials have said in recent past, even though many weapons are not for export and are secret from the outside countries. There is one brotherly country Pakistan, which has and can have access to weapon systems in chinese inventory which are not cleared for export. China can transfer units already in use in armed forces to the only brotherly country provided there is urgency. But realistically this 1.5 billion USD doesn't seem to be for chinese Flankers either, plus most likely pakistan will not opt for chinese flankers, multiple reasons for it.

J-31 option is very very likely as 1.5 USD billion is exactly the amount that would be needed for 40+ stealth aircraft plus it's support , training and startup ammunition.
If the platform proves itself, this bird might be the second jointly produced fighter among Pakistan and china.

Russian SU-35 or mig-35 are highly unlikely as India gets red faces if pakistan gets these assets , which Russia cannot afford. But it's entirely up to russia, if they can than PAF would easily go for SU-35 along with j-31.

Joint venture with Turkey and BAE systems in TFX is also very unlikely at this stage. As it's very early. But 1.5 billion would be enough to get stakes in Turkish TFX programme.

2nd hand F-16s from USA or third parties like Europe or middle East? Please no! Even though we were in love with f-16 May be even now are. That's not a smart platform to invest 1.5 billion dollars in. We should be moving away from sanction prone assets.
If we have learnt anything from our history.

S-400 triumph missile defence system? May be if, PAF controls and procures missile defence systems. 1.5 billion USD per year would be good enough save in 3 years we could see s-400 in pakistan. As it's a defensive weapon and Russia has said it has no problem selling it to, pakistan , Turkey or Indonesia.

 

[CriticalThought]

1.5 Billion / 50 = 30 million for 50 Block III JF-17s. But, PAF already has the funds to buy Block 2s at the price of $28 million per plane. So an additional $30 million per plane sounds pretty high, EXCEPT if we factor in upgrades to the production line for using composites, or maybe a new engine, or pretty advanced electronics???

 

[Muhammad Omar]

u need to upgrade ur knowledge...no offense

M talking about Attack Heli's here..

Mi-17 and Aerospatiale Aloutte aren't Attack Heli's

so my knowledge is updates no offense

Not j10s sir j16s for obvious reasons

What are the Obvious Reasons??

J-10 is again a single engine fighter, same category as all our current fighters.

SUBHAN ALLAH

 

[Talon]

M talking about Attack Heli's here..

Mi-17 and Aerospatiale Aloutte aren't Attack Heli's

so my knowledge is updates no offense



What are the Obvious Reasons??



SUBHAN ALLAH

Bhaii contact any andar ka banda in PAF and he'll tell u about attack helis ..and that guy was right we may be wanting this increase for attack helis...

 

[bananarepublic]

maybe they are planning to buy j 16 to close the gap between PAF and IAF

 

[DavidSling]

More jf-17s can't cost that much, plus already 300 jf 17 thunders are more than enough. 250 was original order with 50 as backup, hence 300 are already allocated for. Hence it's not for jf-17.

J-10b was scrapped by senior PAF officials as it didn't bring that much a change from f-16s , PAF is looking to invest in something better than f-16s for medium category fighters, hence j-10b for PAF is out of question unless we need them immediately for stop gap purposes which is highly unlikely.

Chinese Flanders are a no no. Flankers of chinese origin have never been on export market or export exhibitions. Hence very less chance of them being sold to pakistan. Although Chinese officials have said in recent past, even though many weapons are not for export and are secret from the outside countries. There is one brotherly country Pakistan, which has and can have access to weapon systems in chinese inventory which are not cleared for export. China can transfer units already in use in armed forces to the only brotherly country provided there is urgency. But realistically this 1.5 billion USD doesn't seem to be for chinese Flankers either, plus most likely pakistan will not opt for chinese flankers, multiple reasons for it.

J-31 option is very very likely as 1.5 USD billion is exactly the amount that would be needed for 40+ stealth aircraft plus it's support , training and startup ammunition.
If the platform proves itself, this bird might be the second jointly produced fighter among Pakistan and china.

Russian SU-35 or mig-35 are highly unlikely as India gets red faces if pakistan gets these assets , which Russia cannot afford. But it's entirely up to russia, if they can than PAF would easily go for SU-35 along with j-31.

Joint venture with Turkey and BAE systems in TFX is also very unlikely at this stage. As it's very early. But 1.5 billion would be enough to get stakes in Turkish TFX programme.

2nd hand F-16s from USA or third parties like Europe or middle East? Please no! Even though we were in love with f-16 May be even now are. That's not a smart platform to invest 1.5 billion dollars in. We should be moving away from sanction prone assets.
If we have learnt anything from our history.

S-400 triumph missile defence system? May be if, PAF controls and procures missile defence systems. 1.5 billion USD per year would be good enough save in 3 years we could see s-400 in pakistan. As it's a defensive weapon and Russia has said it has no problem selling it to, pakistan , Turkey or Indonesia.

1.5 billion usd is enough for maybe 15-20 fifth gen aircraft, nowhere near 40.
Pakistan is unlikely to be major partner in fifth gen aircraft, which in my opinion, won't turn out to be fifth gen at all.
Russian and U.S planes will be idiotic purchase for paf, and Chinese planes are a possibility (in form of 4.5 or fifth gen fighters)
Ammunition and support systems for the airforce is also a possibility, since neither is cheap and people tend to forget about those.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

1.5 billion usd is enough for maybe 15-20 fifth gen aircraft, nowhere near 40.
Pakistan is unlikely to be major partner in fifth gen aircraft, which in my opinion, won't turn out to be fifth gen at all.
Russian and U.S planes will be idiotic purchase for paf, and Chinese planes are a possibility (in form of 4.5 or fifth gen fighters)
Ammunition and support systems for the airforce is also a possibility, since neither is cheap and people tend to forget about those.

1.5 billion is just the increase not the total amount. Plus that too for just 1 year. China has the capacity to make 20 j-31s per year hence 40 in one budget year won't be the case.

 

[volatile]

Sources link plz

Sorry brother cant disclose the source on public forum since there is no media links available to me at the moment but this comes from the 2nd Generation of PAF

very well written

Thanks brother

 

[WarFariX]

Sorry brother cant disclose the source on public forum since there is no media links available to me at the moment but this comes from the 2nd Generation of PAF


Thanks brother

sir what are your opinion on this..if we lets say talk about j10b/c and j11d also at the same time in paf...j10b can replace the roles of mirage 5 on borders as well as many j10s can be station in baloch to guard gwadar and j11d at karachi to counter naval threats and also along indian border??? any possibility?

 

[Mo12]

Realistically Chinese jets will be the best options for Pakistan, J-10 or J-31 will be good with Russian engines.

 

[MystryMan]

Medium weight fighter like J-10B will replace old Mirages of PAF

I think J-10C could be a very good replacement for ROSE Mirages. If it gets Cfts it would enhance its strike range and free up more stations for weapons.
But I suspect the current buy may be for maritime defense/strike so J11D/J16 could also b possible.
@MarvellousThunder@PDC

 

[volatile]

sir what are your opinion on this..if we lets say talk about j10b/c and j11d also at the same time in paf...j10b can replace the roles of mirage 5 on borders as well as many j10s can be station in baloch to guard gwadar and j11d at karachi to counter naval threats and also along indian border??? any possibility?

Brother my answer is little different in approach as strategist as well as history student i have different point of view on procurements as well as its role . e.g IAF has at the moment multiple platforms it provides diversity but if you see the amount of vendors as well as countries its really amazing as well as astonishing to see how these birds are flying or will fly in an event all out war .
If i say some thing about these platforms it will be mere speculations but in order to make it more tangible following variables I will be considering before making any buy

J10 B/C J11D
Availability rate
Amount per sortie
Foreign dependence
Adversary facing
Numbers we can afford
TOT (tech transfer)

On paper what you suggest is good but IAF has similar flankers but in large amount so there is no point in going for same as we cant match one on one ,J10 B/C can be good option till J31 replaces F16s as i always believe IAF problem has out of the box solution ,J10B/C with AESA/IRST /HOBS and large numbers is as deadly as any thing IAF has ,Just my thought and i hope this can bring something new to you or to the people