PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[SABRE]

@Retired Troll we're doomed.

Well in any case, I hope it's not true because more reliance on the US is a huge liability for state security.

To dispel of reliability on the US one needs to improve the economy to the point where one can buy from other sources.

@Khafee @zulu @Armchair @Mangus Ortus Novem @RIWWIR
Good Day Gentlemen,
"Victory has many fathers...defeat is orphan"

Ever wondered why sudden change in US Policy? those who believe we are getting the F-16s because of Afghan-Taliban-US resolution is not entirely true. what i have deduced its because of operational performance of PAF and there is an ace which PAF holds. (2 x Israeli Pilots)

actual number should be 36 F-16C/D Block 72 (24 charlies and 12 x Delta) and upgrade of 18 x F-16C/D Block 52+ (12 x Charlie and 6 x Delta) That is 54 aircraft.

2 x israeli pilots = 54 x F-16s Vipers..(36 x new, 18 x upgrades)

Enjoy the monsoon!



No friend! why would i increase? its 8 kills (3 x Su-30MKI, 2 x Mirage 2000, 3 x MiG-21BISON) on 27th Feb 19.

PAF's performance has nothing to do with the policy change. Such things don't really matter to the Americans. There are other means for dealing on the Israeli pilots, but that is if we have them. So far its been nothing but a myth.

Several factors have emerged that have impacted bilateral relations. Afghanistan is definitely one of them. Second, some state department officials have acted as a firewall against Pakistan in the US. This is still true but the issue seems to have been taken cared of, perhaps via lobbying groups and individuals on the Hill. Americans of Pakistani origin have been quite active on the political scene as well. Their vote is perhaps meaningless when it comes to numbers but their funding is important for Trump's upcoming campaign. There are Pakistanis who are close to Trump-Kushner family as well, including our ambassador to the US Ali Jahangir Siddiqui, who was previously seen as a nepotism case and unqualified for such a job.

Iran factor is also there. Trump probably does not want to go to war with Iran but with elections coming up he needs to take up a hardline position and muster up as much international support as possible. He would need to show that Iran is problematic for the region & its neighbour and Pakistan is important for that game. At this point, the US would like to ensure that the Afghan Taliban and Sunni groups in Pakistan align their interests with the US (we must not fall for this though).

Weaning of preference for India or India-Over-Pakistan policy is another factor. Being a businessman Trump also sees diplomacy from a business perspective and he perhaps has not found the Indo-US relations to be as lucrative as Clinton, Bush and Obama's admins made it sound like. These three administrations put Indo-US relations over Pakistan-US relations due to economic and strategic reasoning. Those economic and strategic goals have actually not been achieved. India did not buy American nuclear reactors when they received the NSG waiver. They instead went for Russian. Subsequently, the American Westinghouse went bankrupt. India continues to buy mainstay weapons from Europe and Russia instead of the US. India has not aligned its Iran policy with that of the US. India's activities in Afghanistan have indirectly complicated US goals in Afghanistan. Trump probably didn't find Clinton-Bush-Obama India Appeasement Policy to be working and thus announced the withdrawal of preferential trade treatment for India in June, and when India retaliated by imposing tariffs on some of the US imports Trump went ahead with improving ties with Pakistan. But all of this doesn't mean that India does not matter to the US or that the US has put Pakistan over India. It only means that Trump has played a balancer card.

 

[ARMalik]

This thread is getting weirder by the minute. Not saying it is not true - it may be true. But then, exchanging 'Israeli Pilots' for F-16s, Eight IA jets downed on Feb 27, Indian encashment, etc is a bit too much to digest.

 

[SABRE]

food for thought!

Gone are the days of Airplane delivering nukes..

Not really. With enemy having BMD systems you will need something to fly at low altitude and launch a nuclear strike. Cruise missiles can do that but given their shorter range, they'll need something to provide them with an extended range. That something is 'aircraft.'

 

[Imran Khan]

I never included you.

Thata good

 

[SIPRA]

PAF's performance has nothing to do with the policy change. Such things don't really matter to the Americans. There are other means for dealing on the Israeli pilots, but that is if we have them. So far its been nothing but a myth.

Several factors have emerged that has impacted bilateral relations. Afghanistan is definitely one of them. Second, some state department officials have acted as a firewall against Pakistan in the US. This is still true but the issue seems to have been taken cared of, perhaps via lobbying groups and individuals on the Hill. Americans of Pakistani origin have been quite active on the political scene as well. Their vote is perhaps meaningless when it comes to numbers but their funding is important for Trump's upcoming campaign. There are Pakistanis who are close to Trump-Kushner family as well, including our ambassador to the US Ali Jahangir Siddiqui, who was previously seen as a nepotism case and unqualified for such a job.

Iran factor is also there. Trump probably does not want to go to war with Iran but with elections coming up he needs to take up a hardline position and muster up as much international support as possible. He would need to show that Iran is problematic for the region & its neighbour and Pakistan is important for that game. At this point, the US would like to ensure that the Afghan Taliban and Sunni groups in Pakistan align their interests with the US (we must not fall for this though).

Weaning of preference for India or India-Over-Pakistan policy is another factor. Being a businessman Trump also sees diplomacy from a business perspective and he perhaps has not found the Indo-US relations to be as lucrative as Clinton, Bush and Obama's admins made it sound like. These three administrations put Indo-US relations over Pakistan-US relations due to economic and strategic reasoning. Those economic and strategic goals have actually not been achieved. India did not buy American nuclear reactors when they received the NSG waiver. They instead went for Russian. Subsequently, the American Westinghouse went bankrupt. India continues to buy mainstay weapons from Europe and Russia instead of the US. India has not aligned its Iran policy with that of the US. India's activities in Afghanistan have indirectly complicated US goals in Afghanistan. Trump probably didn't find Clinton-Bush-Obama India Appeasement Policy to be working and thus announced the withdrawal of preferential trade treatment for India in June, and when India retaliated by imposing tariffs on some of the US imports Trump went ahead with improving ties with Pakistan. But all of this doesn't mean that India does not matter to the US or that the US has put Pakistan over India. It only means that Trump has played a balancer card.

Excellent and realistic analysis.

This thread is getting weirder by the minute. Not saying it is not true - it may be true. But then, exchanging 'Israeli Pilots' for F-16s, Eight IA jets downed on Feb 27, Indian encashment, etc is a bit too much to digest.

Pakistan main lambi lambi chhorhnay per koi tax naheen.

 

[loanranger]

Apparently this guy is in the Airforce.

 

[The Terminator]

Trump visit to Pak will be after deal is signed.i Beleive F16s r known to every one we will see what package will be finalized along other Goodies I believe it would be big one more cobras. CSF money along some money by Govt of Pak will go purchase I won't be surprised if we get PAC 3 along M1A1 tank offer final tally will be above 10 billions my two cents only PAF new and used Airframes along current fleet upgrades will be 6 to 7 billion. Navy wants swift covertts along MPA Jett powered P8 Army wants Max pro we need them badly to minimize human loss at western borders may come from EDA. Lets see fingers crossed

Well IMHO it seems a bit of your own wishful shopping list that most probably not gonna happen. A few more cobras, Maxpro, even F-16 are probable at best. But I would be a lot more skeptical about force multipliers like p8, Pac3 also add Apache US E3 Awacs and F35 into it, getting into the hands of Pak Armed Forces any time soon unless we sign deals of similar or better systems from Russia, China etc and US too badly wants us to be firmly within their grip at that particular moment. Turkey is their most important geopolitical NATO ally but they were refused to own any weapon systems like that for decades. Owning to many similarities between Turkey and Pakistan, How do you think Pakistan is anyhow better in terms with US than Turkey?? And why do you think Pakistan is already buying, JV and ToT of naval assets from western and Eastern friends why do you think Pak would want US made brand new ships now and same is the case of M1 Abrams. They don't match with our strategic military doctrine and attached with all the strings and end user agreements possible. And respectful nations build their own MBTs due to the fact that any export version MBT is severely downgraded in armor and its subsystems. Zia ul Haq would have already ordered Abrams many decades before if they were any good to us.

 

[Sulemanms202]

very disappointed with our leadership.
we want low cost energy production systems which could reduce our circular debt problems and could also lower our cost of production..........


in Sweden they are already producing energy from trash just with sorting items correctly.. when will we learn?

whether we pay for the deal or not is point less... our demands will take us deeper into our sinkhole

without developing our social economic side we wont prosper in today's world.. it is very cruel
sound footings on social economics is a prequisite to grow for any country without it no f-16s can save you

 

[Trailer23]

View attachment 571192
Apparently this guy is in the Airforce.

I think most of the guys here have seen my (other) work. This was one of my earlier work from last year. 30sec Teaser.

I'll start working on something new, at the off chance something becomes more...Official.

The new guys, who haven't seen my earlier work can view the material on:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-air-force-vids-edited-on-adobe-premiere.585383/

 

[Khafee]

You should be banned permanently if this turns out to be a farce. Playing with sentiments of 220 million should come at a cost.

And if it turns out to be true, will you and the other TT's who have been naysayers on this thread, quit the forum for good.

Btw Do tell us, how did you arrive at this figure of 220m. When in reality, not even 2% are on this forum.


@Horus Pls note

 

[Irfan Baloch]

To dispel of reliability on the US one needs to improve the economy to the point where one can buy from other


PAF's performance has nothing to do with the policy change. Such things don't really matter to the Americans. There are other means for dealing on the Israeli pilots, but that is if we have them. So far its been nothing but a myth.

Several factors have emerged that has impacted bilateral relations. Afghanistan is definitely one of them. Second, some state department officials have acted as a firewall against Pakistan in the US. This is still true but the issue seems to have been taken cared of, perhaps via lobbying groups and individuals on the Hill. Americans of Pakistani origin have been quite active on the political scene as well. Their vote is perhaps meaningless when it comes to numbers but their funding is important for Trump's upcoming campaign. There are Pakistanis who are close to Trump-Kushner family as well, including our ambassador to the US Ali Jahangir Siddiqui, who was previously seen as a nepotism case and unqualified for such a job.

Iran factor is also there. Trump probably does not want to go to war with Iran but with elections coming up he needs to take up a hardline position and muster up as much international support as possible. He would need to show that Iran is problematic for the region & its neighbour and Pakistan is important for that game. At this point, the US would like to ensure that the Afghan Taliban and Sunni groups in Pakistan align their interests with the US (we must not fall for this though).

Weaning of preference for India or India-Over-Pakistan policy is another factor. Being a businessman Trump also sees diplomacy from a business perspective and he perhaps has not found the Indo-US relations to be as lucrative as Clinton, Bush and Obama's admins made it sound like. These three administrations put Indo-US relations over Pakistan-US relations due to economic and strategic reasoning. Those economic and strategic goals have actually not been achieved. India did not buy American nuclear reactors when they received the NSG waiver. They instead went for Russian. Subsequently, the American Westinghouse went bankrupt. India continues to buy mainstay weapons from Europe and Russia instead of the US. India has not aligned its Iran policy with that of the US. India's activities in Afghanistan have indirectly complicated US goals in Afghanistan. Trump probably didn't find Clinton-Bush-Obama India Appeasement Policy to be working and thus announced the withdrawal of preferential trade treatment for India in June, and when India retaliated by imposing tariffs on some of the US imports Trump went ahead with improving ties with Pakistan. But all of this doesn't mean that India does not matter to the US or that the US has put Pakistan over India. It only means that Trump has played a balancer card.

with little bit of editing this is front page quality analysis.
@Dubious @Oscar
please check this out I dont recall who is managing our talent hunting and articles

And if it turns out to be true, will you and the other TT's who have been naysayers on this thread, quit the forum for good.

Btw Do tell us, how did you arrive at this figure of 220m. When in reality, not even 2% are on this forum.


@Horus Pls note

dont take it personal
his comment was a self inflicted joke and I am embarrassed

You should be banned permanently if this turns out to be a farce. Playing with sentiments of 220 million should come at a cost.

lol. its only a fraction of 200 M who use internet and read English and out of that have the comprehension necessary to understand the defence related news
so only a select Pakistani internet community with defence interest will be heart broken if the news is no more than the $125M US assistance support for existing Pakistani fleet

the only sentiments played at are those on the eastern side of the border
this claim has really ruffled the web force of Indian galactic command.

 

[Trailer23]

And if it turns out to be true...

Bhai, if it turns out to be true...

I'll have a custom PAF-16 shirt designed/delivered to you on your doorstep.

 

[TheTallGuy]

Very dear YoungPak,

How have you been? Any success on Hunting trip? North is working out fine?

Welll, what Our Boys did in Sialkot Sector was quite something...also on the LoC the payback with accumulated interest was given in full.

Plus the broad daylight peneteration by the PAF did something that was up to 65 level.... we dominated the escalation ladder. We still dominate the Escalation Ladder!

Oman was hot was well... ready to go against us... when gangadesh crabbed the mijjilz.... far too early in the conflict... these are the telltale signs of something out-of-the-ordinary that had happened on 27th Feb.
Zafar Hilalee dropped it on Dr. Moeed show about a special tota... and then all quiet on that front!

Pakistan came into being on 27th of Ramadan!

The Grand Bargain or D.C. Accord as I would like to put it... is sum of many factors.

We are NOT out of the woods yet. F16s are fine and dandy for now... for now, I repeat... however, we need to focus on Project AZM evermore now...

Personally, I would like to see Pak US Economic Corridor as part of the deal which also includes Debt Write-off...

We have paid the price of 80k Pak Lives and $225+Bln loss to economy.. PMIK needs to get his figure right... Economist article he must read again... F16s are peanuts!

About a couple of totaz.... well isn't it a tradition to have totaz in small cage and teach them talk...Mian Mithoo...

F16s or not.. what is most delightful that PakState and Pak people were/are in unison when the Ganga went gaga after falseflag Pulwama-drama... we held our horses... almost with studied disdain..

After MBS visit we the answered on every level...from streets of Karachi, Lahore, Quetta, Peshawar, Sibbi, Muffazarabad, former FATA and of course, #VideoLand Islamabad... to PMIK...

#Don'tMessWithPakistan

Now about the trade-off...well...tick tock..tick tock...

You take good care... some of us here have grown quite fond of you, YoungPak...

Sir Jee, with due respect I would suggest wait & see

 

[Dubious]

please check this out I dont recall who is managing our talent hunting and articles

@Slav Defence @Arsalan

this claim has really ruffled the web force of Indian galactic command.

and hence served its purpose

 

[TheTallGuy]

View attachment 571192
Apparently this guy is in the Airforce.

What is on the Table?
13 x Ex-RJAF F-16A/B ADF (No.19 Sqn) these are to be upgraded to full MLU status. that means APG-68 radars.
16 x RJAF F-16A ADF possibly purchased and go to upgrade MLU Status. that means APG-68
36 x F-16C/D Block 72 (Brand New) with APG-83 Radars
18 x F-16C/D Block 52+ upgrade to Viper Configuration. Thant means APG83 Radars

I dont believe that PAF would go for Viper upgrade for Whole MLU fleet that means 45 x F-16A/B MLUs also this would bring 2nd AESA Radar (Sabre/RACR) radar which does not perform optimum level. SLEP is in order though.

To dispel of reliability on the US one needs to improve the economy to the point where one can buy from other sources.



PAF's performance has nothing to do with the policy change. Such things don't really matter to the Americans. There are other means for dealing on the Israeli pilots, but that is if we have them. So far its been nothing but a myth.

Several factors have emerged that has impacted bilateral relations. Afghanistan is definitely one of them. Second, some state department officials have acted as a firewall against Pakistan in the US. This is still true but the issue seems to have been taken cared of, perhaps via lobbying groups and individuals on the Hill. Americans of Pakistani origin have been quite active on the political scene as well. Their vote is perhaps meaningless when it comes to numbers but their funding is important for Trump's upcoming campaign. There are Pakistanis who are close to Trump-Kushner family as well, including our ambassador to the US Ali Jahangir Siddiqui, who was previously seen as a nepotism case and unqualified for such a job.

Iran factor is also there. Trump probably does not want to go to war with Iran but with elections coming up he needs to take up a hardline position and muster up as much international support as possible. He would need to show that Iran is problematic for the region & its neighbour and Pakistan is important for that game. At this point, the US would like to ensure that the Afghan Taliban and Sunni groups in Pakistan align their interests with the US (we must not fall for this though).

Weaning of preference for India or India-Over-Pakistan policy is another factor. Being a businessman Trump also sees diplomacy from a business perspective and he perhaps has not found the Indo-US relations to be as lucrative as Clinton, Bush and Obama's admins made it sound like. These three administrations put Indo-US relations over Pakistan-US relations due to economic and strategic reasoning. Those economic and strategic goals have actually not been achieved. India did not buy American nuclear reactors when they received the NSG waiver. They instead went for Russian. Subsequently, the American Westinghouse went bankrupt. India continues to buy mainstay weapons from Europe and Russia instead of the US. India has not aligned its Iran policy with that of the US. India's activities in Afghanistan have indirectly complicated US goals in Afghanistan. Trump probably didn't find Clinton-Bush-Obama India Appeasement Policy to be working and thus announced the withdrawal of preferential trade treatment for India in June, and when India retaliated by imposing tariffs on some of the US imports Trump went ahead with improving ties with Pakistan. But all of this doesn't mean that India does not matter to the US or that the US has put Pakistan over India. It only means that Trump has played a balancer card.

One of the best geopolitical analysis i have read..but 27th Feb 19 has played a very big role.

@Khafee

There is one important bit you did not share..about this order? is it subsidized or some very good friend is paying cold hard cash...just like 1968