PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[mingle]

Any news on the number of jets Pakistan is intending to purchase? New Block 70s or older airframes upgraded to V standard?

Wait things will announce soon

 

[Viper27]

Wait things will announce soon

I understand. Only asking because Block 70s won't come cheap especially if bought new & with PAF working on JF-17 and other projects it won't be easy to arrange funding if US doesn't support through CSF.

 

[The Eagle]

care to share?

Will talk by some other time or at other place.... however, what I want to say not related to local sources like @Khafee or even anyone else; IK may be bringing the page full of T&C and we will have to quickly sort that out whether it is in our favour or there are harmful strings. Any string in regard to even a bit of compromise over sovereignty will result that THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER BUT WE ARE NOT BUYING, LETS GET TO THE BUSINESS.

 

[mingle]

I understand. Only asking because Block 70s won't come cheap especially if bought new & with PAF working on JF-17 and other projects it won't be easy to arrange funding if US doesn't support through CSF.

We need these planes as many as we can new and old it's best answer to Rafale

 

[Dubious]

Will talk by some other time or at other place.... however, what I want to say not related to local sources like @Khafee or even anyone else; IK may be bringing the page full of T&C and we will have to quickly sort that out whether it is in our favour or there are harmful strings. Any string in regard to even a bit of compromise over sovereignty will result that THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER BUT WE ARE NOT BUYING, LETS GET TO THE BUSINESS.

Hence what @Signalian posted:

Yes. Source is inside GHQ.

Trump told IK that Congress has given the green light. The flow chart of Centcom -> Trump -> Congress is cleared.
Now the whole deal depends on the Terms & Conditions as well as strings attached with the deal, i.e. If Pakistan accepts.

 

[The Eagle]

Hence what @Signalian posted:

Yes and I was looking at some not very appreciated possible condition. Once, I am able to read it clearly as what it is, if there are such T&Cs in the first place; I will really disclose what I observed and there will be a witness to that too.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Not just that but also AWACs.

What do you know about the electronic warfare suite of JFT Block III ?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[mingle]

I understand. Only asking because Block 70s won't come cheap especially if bought new & with PAF working on JF-17 and other projects it won't be easy to arrange funding if US doesn't support through CSF.

There is no CSF allotment in current fiscal budget of pentagon but they can pass a separate amendment for Pak CSF.

 

[mingle]

Will talk by some other time or at other place.... however, what I want to say not related to local sources like @Khafee or even anyone else; IK may be bringing the page full of T&C and we will have to quickly sort that out whether it is in our favour or there are harmful strings. Any string in regard to even a bit of compromise over sovereignty will result that THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER BUT WE ARE NOT BUYING, LETS GET TO THE BUSINESS.

If these match with previous deal blk 52 we should go for it.

Will talk by some other time or at other place.... however, what I want to say not related to local sources like @Khafee or even anyone else; IK may be bringing the page full of T&C and we will have to quickly sort that out whether it is in our favour or there are harmful strings. Any string in regard to even a bit of compromise over sovereignty will result that THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER BUT WE ARE NOT BUYING, LETS GET TO THE BUSINESS.

Any idea how many copies we looking??? Along used Airframes??? We should go for more cobras as well along used C130s

 

[The Eagle]

If these match with previous deal blk 52 we should go for it.

If, it is the case then we are not much in worry area. Though, current affairs and rapid change in geopolitics can make it a bit of bumpy ride so either we choose foolishly or we rise & shine once for all. The point that I observe, has a value that IK said about trust deficit with US. He clearly mentioned our support in Afghan war of 80s and then Pressler sanctions and abandoning us. Then he went on with post 9/11 support for US despite strong reservations but then G.W. Bush Jr promised that it wouldn't be like previous (in-fact they accepted as how they abandoned us) but then again, he highlighted many issues & mistrust in view of our losses due to war on terrorism.

Whether such deal/offer comes to fruition or not; he made it pretty much clear that this time, US too has to work out more than before with concrete evidence & will to respect mutual interest. US can't serve only their national interest.

I was of the opinion that Afghan peace talks will strengthen our case but that we see, has already gone into cold storage that too with a tweet and that's it. Then I see, as why wouldn't Russia will interest to save their national interest and may well seek our help. Then we have China as well that knows as how much Pakistan done for these peace talks. On the other hand, even US suspended the peace talks, there exist the possibility of resumption and beside that, I don't think so that Pentagon will ever wish to loose Pakistan trust for any support in Afghanistan and they know for fact as we do have much more important role than anyone else in this regard. So the bargain chip for Vipers or Cobras may remain Afghanistan & Taliban either by resolution of conflict with peace talks or some other way or kind of arrangements where US has a graceful exit without even signing any contract. (I feel like I have reached a point where I need to stop so pardon me for leaving this point as open ended without any conclusion).

Any idea how many copies we looking??? Along used Airframes??? We should go for more cobras as well along used C130s

The figure is not confirm or you can say there is no official authenticity. I can guess that 36 was the requirement but it was mentioned here as 24 is the go for new Vipers + upgrade existing fleet of 76 to Viper & then a possible 20 used airframes being bought & upgraded to V level. Actually we are looking at some strong fleet of 120 in Viper configuration. Can you imagine US agreeing for all this in lieu of something less valued? Things are bit complex but as I said above, there are possibilities.

We can't forget that US always claims to maintain balance of military in certain regions merely to keep up her influence. D.C will play the same role here (not for the sake of influence but in-fact for many other reasons as discussed above) when IAF is shopping a lot especially Rafale are coming to the theater with some goodies and possible additions & extra platforms as well. US may not have much of alliance with Pakistan but then again, if India does not feel threatened by Pakistan & China; how could weapon dealers can capture Indian market/earn some good money. On other hand, if US is not selling anything capable, beside losing Indian interest of more weapons; there will be other suppliers that may work with PAF in addition to our own product so US can play both side and earn everything which is a fair game per US interests.

Cobras possibility does exist but there is no chatter about C130s at the moment. Seems like Cobras will make it earlier than Viper kits however, in the end it all depends if such deal/offer comes to reality & being done in real time.

I can be wrong & I welcome any correction but I say, I don't claim anything but observed.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Yes and I was looking at some not very appreciated possible condition. Once, I am able to read it clearly as what it is, if there are such T&Cs in the first place; I will really disclose what I observed and there will be a witness to that too.

I can see one thing,if this whole thing comes to see light of day,then Technical Security Team (TST) personal would be in Pakistan for more then another decade.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

@The Eagle
Some time back @Windjammer had stated that KC-135 were also on PAF radars along with other stuff, any updates in this regards because having 120-150 F-16's without aerial refuelers do not make a lot of sence.

 

[The Eagle]

I can see one thing,if this whole thing comes to see light of day,then Technical Security Team (TST) personal would be in Pakistan for more then another decade.

Yes and I wouldn't be surprised as we have them already.

@The Eagle
Some time back @Windjammer had stated that KC-135 were also on PAF radars along with other stuff, any updates in this regards because having 120-150 F-16's without aerial refuelers do not make a lot of sence.

Na bhai. After all, wouldn't need or there is not much of utilization of refuelers for us. Drop tank or CFT combination is good enough.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Yes and I wouldn't be surprised as we have them already.

Uncle has renewed contract on which gangus were making lot of noise.Uncle knows that if we won't upgrade,then down the road Pakistanis would start doing that themselves and how much stoppage of spares can hurt them is not known(citing the fact we are ourselves manufacturers),this upgrade would balance everything in S.A in terms of Air Power.

 

[mingle]

If, it is the case then we are not much in worry area. Though, current affairs and rapid change in geopolitics can make it a bit of bumpy ride so either we choose foolishly or we rise & shine once for all. The point that I observe, has a value that IK said about trust deficit with US. He clearly mentioned our support in Afghan war of 80s and then Pressler sanctions and abandoning us. Then he went on with post 9/11 support for US despite strong reservations but then G.W. Bush Jr promised that it wouldn't be like previous (in-fact they accepted as how they abandoned us) but then again, he highlighted many issues & mistrust in view of our losses due to war on terrorism.

Whether such deal/offer comes to fruition or not; he made it pretty much clear that this time, US too has to work out more than before with concrete evidence & will to respect mutual interest. US can't serve only their national interest.

I was of the opinion that Afghan peace talks will strengthen our case but that we see, has already gone into cold storage that too with a tweet and that's it. Then I see, as why wouldn't Russia will interest to save their national interest and may well seek our help. Then we have China as well that knows as how much Pakistan done for these peace talks. On the other hand, even US suspended the peace talks, there exist the possibility of resumption and beside that, I don't think so that Pentagon will ever wish to loose Pakistan trust for any support in Afghanistan and they know for fact as we do have much more important role than anyone else in this regard. So the bargain chip for Vipers or Cobras may remain Afghanistan & Taliban either by resolution of conflict with peace talks or some other way or kind of arrangements where US has a graceful exit without even signing any contract. (I feel like I have reached a point where I need to stop so pardon me for leaving this point as open ended without any conclusion).




The figure is not confirm or you can say there is no official authenticity. I can guess that 36 was the requirement but it was mentioned here as 24 is the go for new Vipers + upgrade existing fleet of 76 to Viper & then a possible 20 used airframes being bought & upgraded to V level. Actually we are looking at some strong fleet of 120 in Viper configuration. Can you imagine US agreeing for all this in lieu of something less valued? Things are bit complex but as I said above, there are possibilities.

We can't forget that US always claims to maintain balance of military in certain regions merely to keep up her influence. D.C will play the same role here (not for the sake of influence but in-fact for many other reasons as discussed above) when IAF is shopping a lot especially Rafale are coming to the theater with some goodies and possible additions & extra platforms as well. US may not have much of alliance with Pakistan but then again, if India does not feel threatened by Pakistan & China; how could weapon dealers can capture Indian market/earn some good money. On other hand, if US is not selling anything capable, beside losing Indian interest of more weapons; there will be other suppliers that may work with PAF in addition to our own product so US can play both side and earn everything which is a fair game per US interests.

Cobras possibility does exist but there is no chatter about C130s at the moment. Seems like Cobras will make it earlier than Viper kits however, in the end it all depends if such deal/offer comes to reality & being done in real time.

I can be wrong & I welcome any correction but I say, I don't claim anything but observed.

Pak should try more vipers especially used Airframes also there are Jordanian F16s too. If this goes well Pak should not go Russian platform if we have extra money would be nice to have used and New F15 or EF F15 with AESA is formidable plane US are businessmen they will go if we have money or used mirage 2000 is not bad either but again it's costly affair let's see how this panns out
If congress is in good mood we should also go extra deals along F16s make a whole package like cobras and for Navy will pass this time IA let Indians cry

Uncle has renewed contract on which gangus were making lot of noise.Uncle knows that if we won't upgrade,then down the road Pakistanis would start doing that themselves and how much stoppage of spares can hurt them is not known(citing the fact we are ourselves manufacturers),this upgrade would balance everything in S.A in terms of Air Power.

Uncle does not care about Gangus theior trade deal falls apart along with no new military procurement from LM or Boeing India may go for P8s but Pak also eyeing on P8 as Admiral Abbasi said in US.