PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[TsAr]

I am not taking any shots; this entire thread was without any basis of facts just hear say.

Every news comes out of hear say. Now what matters is that who is it coming from. @Khafee is a respected title holder, he would not share something without any concrete evidence. This deal is being worked on, it could get through or not only time will tell.

 

[NA71]

"IK has given Mr.Trump a preliminary approval for the F16s, pertaining a mutually acceptable T&C's.
The formal announcement could be coming soon i.e. with in a week from the US side IA."

Khafee quoted today in other forum.

 

[The Eagle]

Excerpt from a source suggests that...


NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) will begin supplying wings for its F-16 combat jets from a facility in southern India from next year, a senior executive said on Thursday.

Lockheed is bidding for a contract, estimated at more than $15 billion, to supply the Indian Air Force with 114 combat planes and has offered to shift its F-16 production line from the United States to India. It plans to build an upgraded version of the aircraft which it calls F-21.

Vivek Lall, vice president of Strategy and Business Development for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said the wings of all future F-16s that the company will sell worldwide will be produced in a joint venture with India’s Tata Advanced Systems in the southern city of Hyderabad.

 

[Sine Nomine]

A cost to benefiit exercise needs to be done. To play the devil's advocate we have saved up the M3/5S for a very specialist role. Their A2A role is going to be secondary if at all and as a last resort. If it does occur the Nukes will lalready be on their way. So if we want to imrove them with changes wht purpose will they serve and will they be good for this? Design parameters of a plane determine its utility and in an A2A role after changes will they become more effective. If not then we are making changes for the sake of making changes.
The cost per plane assuming 150 need upgrading could rise upto 10 to 15 million a pop. So 1.5 billion down the line what will be the end result and would it be worth the hassle time research and facility setup?
Then do we have the facilities to do so and if we are advocating atlas carries out the work their overheads vs the benefits. This is the question one needs to explore before we go any further.
Personally I think PAF has always been aware of the SA connection. They went to them to procure wings for the M3/5 s.

I would try penning down one.

But PAF has not gone the whole hog which means the utility is just not there.

Their are things which strike our mind only when utility arises.
As an old saying goes by Necessity is the mother of invention.

Excerpt from a source suggests that...


NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) will begin supplying wings for its F-16 combat jets from a facility in southern India from next year, a senior executive said on Thursday.

Lockheed is bidding for a contract, estimated at more than $15 billion, to supply the Indian Air Force with 114 combat planes and has offered to shift its F-16 production line from the United States to India. It plans to build an upgraded version of the aircraft which it calls F-21.

Vivek Lall, vice president of Strategy and Business Development for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said the wings of all future F-16s that the company will sell worldwide will be produced in a joint venture with India’s Tata Advanced Systems in the southern city of Hyderabad.

Rafale won't let that happen.

 

[The Eagle]

Rafale won't let that happen.

I think this is about single engine requirement, most probably and in view of last beating on 27th Feb as well as Modi's downed graph at present; Doval company can risk further 15Billion$ to isolate us further. Remember that, be it Rafale or Putin; we are dealing with a fascist & highly hyper & intolerant enemy that can go to any length merely to harm our strategic interest.

 

[mingle]

I think this is about single engine requirement, most probably and in view of last beating on 27th Feb as well as Modi's downed graph at present; Doval company can risk further 15Billion$ to isolate us further. Remember that, be it Rafale or Putin; we are dealing with a fascist & highly hyper & intolerant enemy that can go to any length merely to harm our strategic interest.

Current financial crisis I doubt india will go for F16s along 72 Rafales

I think this is about single engine requirement, most probably and in view of last beating on 27th Feb as well as Modi's downed graph at present; Doval company can risk further 15Billion$ to isolate us further. Remember that, be it Rafale or Putin; we are dealing with a fascist & highly hyper & intolerant enemy that can go to any length merely to harm our strategic interest.

India will end up Mig 35 along more Su 30 MKI

 

[Sine Nomine]

I think this is about single engine requirement, most probably and in view of last beating on 27th Feb as well as Modi's downed graph at present; Doval company can risk further 15Billion$ to isolate us further. Remember that, be it Rafale or Putin; we are dealing with a fascist & highly hyper & intolerant enemy that can go to any length merely to harm our strategic interest.

Yup biggest problem is that they are religious fanatics and are under command of lunatics.

 

[Vapnope]

The price tag of these planes is not only billions of US dollars but also the acceptance of status quo on IOK.

 

[Indx-techs]

Current financial crisis I doubt india will go for F16s along 72 Rafales

"Slowdown" isn't a financial crisis. Government's revenue has doubled since 2014 and still increasing.
Even the slowdown of Indian economy is cyclical and comes in every 8 years to stay for 1-2 years. Entire slowdown was recovered and actually surplus in GDP was added in just 3 days by adding $150 billions in economy with tax exemption.
https://m.economictimes.com/markets...s-2-road-bumps-ahead/articleshow/71270431.cms

India will end up Mig 35 along more Su 30 MKI

More Su-30 MKI and Rafaels. Not MiG-35. 83 Tejas FOC (first will this year) and Tejas MWF after development. MiG-21 are here to stay till 2025.


F-16 manufacturing is just a push by LM for private vendors as it beared in interest from government.

 

[loanranger]

The price tag of these planes is not only billions of US dollars but also the acceptance of status quo on IOK.

Hope not. I think we are getting them jets for maintaining US influence in Afg only.

 

[The Eagle]

India will end up Mig 35 along more Su 30 MKI

Once India makes decision, we will benefit for our interests be it one way or another.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Here is how it is all going to play out.

The moment US will announce that it is going to supply Pakistan with latest block of F-16 which carries certain 5th generation technologies as well, India will have no other option but to make a bigger offer to stop that deal and that's exactly what Uncle Sam wants. LM has done everything they could to make India agree on their terms and conditions, now they have played their master card. Even if India still opts for more Rafale, US lawmakers will find new excuse to stop the sale to Pakistan.

 

[Trailer23]

@PakShaheen79
I'm not certain if I follow what you're trying imply... I'll break up your points in 3.
1

The moment US will announce that it is going to supply Pakistan with latest block of F-16 which carries certain 5th generation technologies as well, India will have no other option but to make a bigger offer to stop that deal and that's exactly what Uncle Sam wants.

2

...India still opts for more Rafale

3

US lawmakers will find new excuse to stop the sale to Pakistan.

So (if) what you're saying is that US Lawmakers will find an excuse to stop the Sale to Pakistan knowing full well India is going for Rafales.

Why go through all that drama, and just reject the offer from the get-go?

And someone said that the President has the final say if Congress opts out.

Finally, the Lockheed Martin F-21 pitch to India was a dead stick the second the offer was made. The news never garnered any momentum in MoD of India regardless various attempts from Lockheed Martin India.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

New f-16 for pakistan is a no no. We should just have old ones upgraded to V standard and Aesa radars.

F-16s need retiring around 2030s in PAF we should look towards up coming projects from China, Korea and turkey. Perhaps joint venture with turkey. Seperate from 5th gen aircraft that alsp may find ots way into paf inventory soon.

We need 1 more 4.5 gen join venture aircraft with china or turkey perhaps joint pak china turkey & or russia project.


F-16 and near future american sanctions... I'd say don't depend on america. Let indians take the fall this time. After such a long time USA has no leverage on pakistan. We should keep it this way.

Biggest advantage we would have against imdia would be.

It would take india 10+ years to master f-16s and come on level of paf may be 15 years. We know f-16 at the palm of our hands. We know its flaws and it's advantages better than even americans do.

F-16 for india would be not that bad infact we would be better fighting f-16 block 70 than fighting Rafale.

Lets see what happens but i for one don't want to see any new f-16s. Just upgrade the old ones ajf make imdegeous new aircraft.

 

[loanranger]

New f-16 for pakistan is a no no. We should just have old ones upgraded to V standard and Aesa radars.

F-16s need retiring around 2030s in PAF we should look towards up coming projects from China, Korea and turkey. Perhaps joint venture with turkey. Seperate from 5th gen aircraft that alsp may find ots way into paf inventory soon.

We need 1 more 4.5 gen join venture aircraft with china or turkey perhaps joint pak china turkey & or russia project.


F-16 and near future american sanctions... I'd say don't depend on america. Let indians take the fall this time. After such a long time USA has no leverage on pakistan. We should keep it this way.

Biggest advantage we would have against imdia would be.

It would take india 10+ years to master f-16s and come on level of paf may be 15 years. We know f-16 at the palm of our hands. We know its flaws and it's advantages better than even americans do.

F-16 for india would be not that bad infact we would be better fighting f-16 block 70 than fighting Rafale.

Lets see what happens but i for one don't want to see any new f-16s. Just upgrade the old ones ajf make imdegeous new aircraft.

You need a counter to Rafale . Blk 70 provides the solution BUT it is not a long term solution for other problems. So fifth gen fighter procurement is a top priority