PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[denel]

They don't realise that someone may take them serious and start preparing counters in advance+someone can grow lazy.

Correct.

I think that is up to the admin and the mods, thank you for your kind input but that doesnt justify your below the belt comment of the other member!

That is fine. No further comments from me.
I am surprised how the very same gentleman continued to insult me over and over and harass me; he was not reprimanded and I put him on ignore list.

 

[Dubious]

I am surprised how the very same gentleman continued to insult me over and over and harass me; he was not reprimanded and I put him on ignore list.

That is your choice! As per forum rules you have the report button as well as the choice of mentioning mods for help!
This applies to every member...No point crying about it later.

 

[denel]

That is your choice! As per forum rules you have the report button as well as the choice of mentioning mods for help!
This applies to every member...No point crying about it later.

Well. I did numerous times and he continued to harass and nothing got done about it.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Correct.

Forget it,i hope someone like those who went to S.A for help in late 90's comes to helms of affairs.
On lighter note,citing Pakistans current condition+geo strategic alignment i doubt there isn't anything else left other than what we discussed.That airframe has space and required stamina to become a true danger for enemies.
There isn't anytime left for new purchase.

 

[Dubious]

Well. I did numerous times and he continued to harass and nothing got done about it.

Take it to GHQ! You are not a new member but a titled member...Kindly stop trying to derail this thread and take your issues to GHQ! WITH PROOF!

 

[denel]

Forget it,i hope someone like those who went to S.A for help in back in late 90's comes to helms of affairs.
On lighter note,citing Pakistans current condition+geo strategic alignment i doubt there isn't anything else left other than what we discussed.That airframe has space and required stamina to become a true danger for enemies.
There isn't anytime left for new purchase.

Correct. That is where focus needs to be. If M3/5 upgrade path are not followed, I fear M3/5s will be the graveyard for most pilots.

Take it to GHQ! You are not a new member but a titled member...Kindly stop trying to derail this thread and take your issues to GHQ! WITH PROOF!

Chill pal. Enjoy your day.
Just check khafee rants and raves on me and his harassments.
No further discussions. Moving on. Good day.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Correct. That is where focus needs to be. If M3/5 upgrade path are not followed, I fear M3/5s will be the graveyard for most pilots.

It would be no doubt, a package of HMS and A-Darter would make anyone run for life, couple it with a duel secure data link(for both type of AWACS) for firing BVR's you are good to go.
I was looking at some cheetah airframe changes and i suppose that it has some nasty surprise in it.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

It would be no doubt, a package of HMS and A-Darter would make anyone run for life, couple it with a duel secure data link(for both type of AWACS) for firing BVR's you are good to go.
I was looking at some cheetah airframe changes and i suppose that it has some nasty surprise in it.

I heard someone on this forum that since the production of M3/M5 has been stopped we can modify it as much as we want.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I heard someone on this forum that since the production of M3/M5 has been stopped we can modify it as much as we want.

We can,we did it during Rose upgrade.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

We can,we did it during Rose upgrade.

I think the main problem is finances. Otherwise 100 modified M3/M5s with AESA + 150JF-17 with AESA armed with BVR will give nightmares to any airforce.

 

[denel]

I think the main problem is finances. Otherwise 100 modified M3/M5s with AESA + 150JF-17 with AESA armed with BVR will give nightmares to any airforce.

we have good discussion going on the Mirage thread, please follow up there.

 

[VCheng]

There is no way US will ever sell that to Pakistan.

Never say never. If Pakistan can make the case for how such a deal would help US national interests, it will definitely become possible.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I think the main problem is finances. Otherwise 100 modified M3/M5s with AESA + 150JF-17 with AESA armed with BVR will give nightmares to any airforce.

We don't need AESA for them,using everything from old mirages,just rebuild airframe using same drawing as M5 having elements of Atlas cheetah and RD-93 as power plant.A data link between PAF AWACS and new fighter would be enough.Mind that it's only meant for CAS and Strikes.

 

[araz]

We don't need AESA for them,using everything from old mirages,just rebuild airframe using same drawing as M5 having elements of Atlas cheetah and RD-93 as power plant.A data link between PAF AWACS and new fighter would be enough.Mind that it's only meant for CAS and Strikes.

A cost to benefiit exercise needs to be done. To play the devil's advocate we have saved up the M3/5S for a very specialist role. Their A2A role is going to be secondary if at all and as a last resort. If it does occur the Nukes will lalready be on their way. So if we want to imrove them with changes wht purpose will they serve and will they be good for this? Design parameters of a plane determine its utility and in an A2A role after changes will they become more effective. If not then we are making changes for the sake of making changes.
The cost per plane assuming 150 need upgrading could rise upto 10 to 15 million a pop. So 1.5 billion down the line what will be the end result and would it be worth the hassle time research and facility setup?
Then do we have the facilities to do so and if we are advocating atlas carries out the work their overheads vs the benefits. This is the question one needs to explore before we go any further.
Personally I think PAF has always been aware of the SA connection. They went to them to procure wings for the M3/5 s. But PAF has not gone the whole hog which means the utility is just not there.
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[Myth_buster_1]

Listen friend, I am not suggesting anything. See how this thread started and how people were falling over. No discredit for mods; they did correct the title. Dont you feel this has gone long enough.

exactly, PDFers are going crazy over a rumor.