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What???
I thought you were talking about FC-20 !!
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What???
If we buy f22 people will say j10 is dud too...
Everyone knows j10 is better than jf17
Does it bring local manufacturing, freedom of weapon integration, cost?..
@MastanKhan I don't know about the 'someone at the top part' but the point you brought up might have a little validity ... and I concurred as much, in that J-10 is a better aircraft then the JF-17. To what degree however, that is up for debate. Since it is larger, it offers more range and carrying capability and is more expensive, but in the same vein, the F-16 is better still. JF-17 is not competing against the J-10s or F-16s so I don't know how much weight your argument carries though, esp since you can not compare an off-the-shelf purchase with a program designed to build a manufacturing base in the country.
As for @LKJ86 your argument flies in the face of what PLAAF has in its inventory (hundreds and hundreds of J-7 and A-5s) and now newer version of the former in the guise of FTC-2000. China, regardless of its size is in no realistic position to replace all those aircraft with "heavies". So yes, they reneged on their part of the agreement to do a split buy of the JF-17 and I would even say it hurt the aircraft's sales prospects. But Pakistan has still gained from the program and I am hopeful they will continue to keep going in that direction with project AZM and so forth.
1. The fighters in production now for PLAAF and PLANAF are J-10C, J-11B, J-15, J-16, and J-20, and they are replacing the J-7, J-8, and JH-7. There are no Q-5s in service now.As for @LKJ86 your argument flies in the face of what PLAAF has in its inventory (hundreds and hundreds of J-7 and A-5s) and now newer version of the former in the guise of FTC-2000. China, regardless of its size is in no realistic position to replace all those aircraft with "heavies". So yes, they reneged on their part of the agreement to do a split buy of the JF-17 and I would even say it hurt the aircraft's sales prospects. But Pakistan has still gained from the program and I am hopeful they will continue to keep going in that direction with project AZM and so forth.
No matter you believe or not, it is what PLAAF and PLANAF are doing.So PLAAF is going to be a 3 type aircraft type airforce? J-10, SU-27 variants and J-20?
I think you should know that, J-10A had beaten Thailand's JAS-39 in 2017, while Su-27 lost in 2015.I would disagree again with that very simplified assertion. J-10A was a flawed product in fact. You can clearly see the poor engineering in the fact that they had to reinforce the intake with strakes in the early models. Since that is the aircraft PAF was supposed to have bought, I am glad we did not. Who knows what else was substandard from both production and design stand points (it was after all the first newer generation aircraft made in China and clearly had teething issues) and reasons why it did not end up in the PAF?
So tactically and strategically it was a good move to not rush into buying the J-10A and the end result happened to lead us towards JF-17.
I would disagree again with that very simplified assertion. J-10A was a flawed product in fact. You can clearly see the poor engineering in the fact that they had to reinforce the intake with strakes in the early models. Since that is the aircraft PAF was supposed to have bought, I am glad we did not. Who knows what else was substandard from both production and design stand points (it was after all the first newer generation aircraft made in China and clearly had teething issues) and reasons why it did not end up in the PAF?
So tactically and strategically it was a good move to not rush into buying the J-10A and the end result happened to lead us towards JF-17.
Initially it was reported that PLAAF will buy 250 and PAF 150 JF-17s.
This article from 2007 also mentions this.
http://china-pla.blogspot.com/2007/10/jf-17-and-plaaf.html
India tiger? HAHA, u can call them a snakeIndia is not in a position to capture territory of pakistan, but to safe guard its current border.There will no major war between India and Pakistan.It is up to pakistan to decide if they want another war by provoking India, since India never start any war in first place.
It is like provoking a tiger and expect the tiger to be nice with you.
when and where was this pic taken ?
A dud JF17 with KJL7A radar and WS15 missile is better than any other aircraft. A plane is hardly anything other than radar and missile. Its just a carrier platform. 80% of the battle will be fought in BVR regime. JF17 priced at 20-30 million dollar is an ideal choice. trust me it will prove to be an SU30 killerIf we buy f22 people will say j10 is dud too...
Everyone knows j10 is better than jf17
Does it bring local manufacturing, freedom of weapon integration, cost?..
My understanding is that the MKK and MKI have basic characteristics in common due to origin. Just because they have a few minor differences does not change their flight characteristics.Except you don’t see the B-52s falling out of the skies on regular intervals
The Chinese operate the Su-30MKK while the Malaysians deploy the SU-30MKM. The SU-30MKM is basically the SU-30MKI with avionics differences. As far as I know, PAF never trained against the SU-MKMs nor has it trained against the Egyptian or Qatari Rafaels
Depends but I believe it was being used as an advanced jet trainer for PLAAF. I know a bunch of pilots from Pakistan, Germany, Canada and South Africa who were writing up the course syllabus for the PLAAF.1. The fighters in production now for PLAAF and PLANAF are J-10C, J-11B, J-15, J-16, and J-20, and they are replacing the J-7, J-8, and JH-7. There are no Q-5s in service now.
2. FTC-2000G is just for export. And JL-9 is a trainer, not a fighter.
So, there is no place in PLAAF and PLANAF for light fighters, like FC-1.
FTC-2000G is based on the JL-9H.Depends but I believe it was being used as an advanced jet trainer for PLAAF.
I would disagree again with that very simplified assertion. J-10A was a flawed product in fact. You can clearly see the poor engineering in the fact that they had to reinforce the intake with strakes in the early models. Since that is the aircraft PAF was supposed to have bought, I am glad we did not. Who knows what else was substandard from both production and design stand points (it was after all the first newer generation aircraft made in China and clearly had teething issues) and reasons why it did not end up in the PAF?
So tactically and strategically it was a good move to not rush into buying the J-10A and the end result happened to lead us towards JF-17.
India tiger? HAHA, u can call them a snake
when and where was this pic taken ?
A dud JF17 with KJL7A radar and WS15 missile is better than any other aircraft. A plane is hardly anything other than radar and missile. Its just a carrier platform. 80% of the battle will be fought in BVR regime. JF17 priced at 20-30 million dollar is an ideal choice. trust me it will prove to be an SU30 killer