PAF Air Chief Visits RAF Unit

[Raider 21]

There are two issues.

1. Relative to the cost, the AHQ doesn't consider dedicated LIFT/FCU platforms a priority. Some months ago Alan Warnes said the PAF will use FT-7Ps in that role, he was even unsure about the JF-17B (taking on FCU)! Still, the Hawk, M-346, etc are pretty expensive, e.g. 18-24 such planes could run $700 m to $1 bn (albeit with support for 10 or so years).

2. Britain, which - like the US - has been a mixed-bag in terms of being a defence supplier to Pakistan.

The Lynx helicopter saga of the late 1990s was not taken lightly by the armed forces as a whole (esp. the Navy).

Efforts have been underway as of late to normalize defence ties, e.g. Kelvin Hughes radars for the PN's submarines, refurbishing Sea Kings, having Cavalier Group work with Jankel to design the Hamza-series, etc. Even Leonardo's Vixen AESA radar offer for the Block-III required some measure of regulatory approval from the UK (as Selex ES is based in the UK).

The Hawks that were being advised were the 60 series, not the 100 series (all used aircraft). F-7/FT-7s are still at the OCU level, regardless there will be a gap on the FCU level very soon. Hawk 100 series and M-346 would be great but like you said, they'r expensive. The mixed-bag saga has been and will be there for a while when it comes to the people in charge with dealings....and it is more of an issue at the Pakistani side.

 

[Zarvan]

Hi I’ll not try to give you the story of normal visit but can you elaborate about the retirement time for PAF chief as he might be visiting different countries as a last leg of his tenure stunt
Thanks for your input

If it would have been his only visit I would have believed it but in this year all of their forces heads or senior guys from their forces have visited Pakistan. First came their Army Chief than came their Air Force head and recently I think 2nd most senior guy of their Navy was here.

 

[Raider 21]

If it would have been his only visit I would have believed it but in this year all of their forces heads or senior guys from their forces have visited Pakistan. First came their Army Chief than came their Air Force head and recently I think 2nd most senior guy of their Navy was here.

No harm in their respective visits. What would be even more impressive if the USAF Chief of Staff or the Commander of the Naval Air Forces visited a PAF base.

 

[Awan68]

WhTs up with this chief. ?
Why does he go around flying machines that have no chance of induction or role in PAF...?
Joyrider ??

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Hawks that were being advised were the 60 series, not the 100 series (all used aircraft). F-7/FT-7s are still at the OCU level, regardless there will be a gap on the FCU level very soon. Hawk 100 series and M-346 would be great but like you said, they'r expensive. The mixed-bag saga has been and will be there for a while when it comes to the people in charge with dealings....and it is more of an issue at the Pakistani side.

Yes, it absolutely runs both ways. Moreover, there's also the perceptual issue of the Sherdil team lagging compared to their Saudi and Emirati counterparts. If anything, the armed forces leadership takes maintaining public morale a bit seriously, so there's that angle too. Of course, it wouldn't be the main priority, but a Hawk 100 purchase would address more than just FCU/LIFT. OTOH, no one's going to complain if they see 6 black and gold painted PAF Hawk trainers absolutely kill it with thrilling flying and tight formations.

 

[Raider 21]

Yes, it absolutely runs both ways. Moreover, there's also the perceptual issue of the Sherdil team lagging compared to their Saudi and Emirati counterparts. If anything, the armed forces leadership takes maintaining public morale a bit seriously, so there's that angle too. Of course, it wouldn't be the main priority, but a Hawk 100 purchase would address more than just FCU/LIFT. OTOH, no one's going to complain if they see 6 black and gold painted PAF Hawk trainers absolutely kill it with thrilling flying and tight formations.

If that was to happen then it is best they use the older Hawk series and not the Hawk 100 series, it is too powerful for close-formation aerobatics. Also the Aermacchis are painted black and gold, not the Hawks. Yes I agree, Sherdils are 2 generations behind, they need work. Even the Egypt AF flies K-8s and they have an interesting display.

Here's a link to it below. Cheers !!!

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

If that was to happen then it is best they use the older Hawk series and not the Hawk 100 series, it is too powerful for close-formation aerobatics. Also the Aermacchis are painted black and gold, not the Hawks. Yes I agree, Sherdils are 2 generations behind, they need work. Even the Egypt AF flies K-8s and they have an interesting display.

Here's a link to it below. Cheers !!!

I meant giving the Sherdils a black and gold livery instead of the green/white.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Please have mercy on us poor souls and elaborate what "things" are getting "interesting" and what that interest is?
You know RAF neither makes anything nor sells anything.

All UK service chiefs have visited Pakistan this year and now our Air Chief is in London. Things are getting interesting let see and please don't try to give me the story of normal visits.

Do you know anything for a fact, or as usual pulling stories out of no sunshine vault?

If it would have been his only visit I would have believed it but in this year all of their forces heads or senior guys from their forces have visited Pakistan. First came their Army Chief than came their Air Force head and recently I think 2nd most senior guy of their Navy was here.

 

[ziaulislam]

All UK service chiefs have visited Pakistan this year and now our Air Chief is in London. Things are getting interesting let see and please don't try to give me the story of normal visits.

in absence of new f-16s an dire need to replace mirages typhoon is a possibility especially if mix of old and new are ordered...but i doubt this is going to happen, as no body except the french will give you full independence in weapon integration

 

[Zarvan]

in absence of new f-16s an dire need to replace mirages typhoon is a possibility especially if mix of old and new are ordered...but i doubt this is going to happen, as no body except the french will give you full independence in weapon integration

UK and France and Italy from Europe have never created problems for us or didn't hold back when it comes to giving us freedom to the weapons they sell us.

 

[ziaulislam]

UK and France and Italy from Europe have never created problems for us or didn't hold back when it comes to giving us freedom to the weapons they sell us.

Germany would be the issue IMO
anyway it looks Pakistan doesnt has the foreign exchange component for now anyway
so whatever happens will be after election

 

[Windjammer]

 

[araz]

The Typhoons are coming!!!!!!
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[Windjammer]

The Typhoons are coming!!!!!!
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That is for Hazrat Zarvan to disclose, however the Typhoons were checked out earlier without much impression.

 

[python-000]

The Typhoons are coming!!!!!!
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hahaha good joke