" "Pacifists" No More?" Scuffles as Japan security bill approved by committee

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Sorry for that.Altough decades thousands people against this security bill ,Shinzo Abe seems forget about citizen‘s request and congress ingore the citizen ,tok,I know that if the politicals wants ,the people should get away from the road and no matter what they do cant change the way for the Jap furture!

@Hu Songshan

 

[Bornubus]

Abe-san needs to listen to his people, I thought japan is a democracy.

And Uncle Han should stop poking their nose in the internal affairs of other countries.

 

[Vyom]

And Uncle Han should stop poking their nose in the internal affairs of other countries.

The interesting thing is Chinese members are saying, what Abe did was against democracy. That you read right, Chinese standing for democracy. I died laughing.

 

[hexagonsnow]

The interesting thing is Chinese members are saying, what Abe did was against democracy. That you read right, Chinese standing for democracy. I died laughing.

You are right !Chinese always stand for democracy in the way you cant understand,you didnt know chinese start the imperial examinations for nearly 1300 years,this system give chance for underclass but with studying ablity to develop and gov the society.Meanwhile most part of the world is still under the caste system.The poor people never has a chance to change its fate and the whole country adore the knowledge instead of the noble.Now china is still use this kind system instead of the western election.Without western system, it is working well .

 

[Vyom]

You are right !Chinese always stand for democracy in the way you cant understand,you didnt know chinese start the imperial examinations for nearly 1300 years,this system give chance for underclass but with studying ablity to develop and gov the society.Meanwhile most part of the world is still under the caste system.The poor people never has a chance to change its fate and the whole country adore the knowledge instead of the noble.Now china is still use this kind system instead of the western election.Without western system, it is working well .

yeah and that's why you live in a communist regime which is actually vibrancy democracy The the world fails to see ... okay great ? happy ?? good

 

[hexagonsnow]

yeah and that's why you live in a communist regime which is actually vibrancy democracy The the world fails to see ... okay great ? happy ?? good

No optimistic like you thought,the system is still needed to reform.And people give gov more expect and critical more fierce than cause we need to be better!!Do you know Kal Max?Yes ,that is the father of the commuist he says "In this world,the only thing that not change is changing !So china wants to better ,there still lot of things to be done and that is Why we didnt show off the GDP and another things to the world for claiming we are the superpower now.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So I'll give you plenty of pictures, lol.

S. Korea Plans V-22 Osprey Purchase

South Korea To Buy 40 F-35 Jets For $7 Billion - Business Insider

 

[Huan]

Next: Introduce a law requiring conscription during times of war. Japan should at least have the capability to martial 10,000,000 men and women for military service at any given time.

Furthermore , we must now scrap the non-first strike doctrine. Japan should be able to strike an enemy for self defense purposes . Lastly Japan must revoke the non nuclear proliferation pledge and arm itself with nuclear strategic forces.

With second strike capability.

Let's pray for this !!!!

If Japan does this, China may double or even triple+ the size of her military budget. By the way @Nihonjin1051 @yoshi.oda , if you are going to increase your Japanese navy too, please make more of this particular trump card, the glorious Yamato (shown below) for the upcoming war and expanded national security.

 

[Vyom]

No optimistic like you thought,the system is still needed to reform.And people give gov more expect and critical more fierce than cause we need to be better!!Do you know Kal Max?Yes ,that is the father of the commuist he says "In this world,the only thing that not change is changing !So china wants to better ,there still lot of things to be done and that is Why we didnt show off the GDP and another things to the world for claiming we are the superpower now.

Okay don't shift the goal posts. and it Karl Marx. and no matter what you say.... people and myself will give you GDP numbers and super power and all... but do they call you a democracy ? no one does.

And yes there are multiple system of Governments. China ain't a democracy. You are of the opinion that as long as there isn't a dictator its a democracy. right. Read Thomas Hobbes, John Locke and Roseau then comment about the relation ship about the government and the people.

You live in an oligarchy where the rich and powerful control everything, No laws can reach them. Yes you have got money and army and manufacturing but none of it makes you the torchbearer of democracy and freedom. Okay

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What the hell? Ask yourself which country Japan surrendered to before you state such BS how many Americans died compare to others.

Hahaha Did you say "What the hell?"

LOL OK It is BS to many of you because of your own ignorance about the true stories behind WW2 in Asia. Many arrogant Americans thought USA singlely won the Asia Pacific War during WW2. No wonder you guys get an F for history.

Let us checked how much do you understand about history then?

Begining with signing ceremony of surrender on behalf of defeated Japan by Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu and General Yoshijiro Umezu on Sept 2, 1945 aboard the USS Missouri.

Tell us, Mr Smart Alec

How many other nation flags were flying apart from USA?

Apart from USA and Japan, how many other signatures were affixed to the surrender document?

Finally who did USA surrendered to?

1. In history USA hijacked the victory of this bloody war by dropping 2 A-bombs on civilian population in Japan as a grand finale. This was done despite the fact, Japan had already informed Soviet Union that Japan had decided to surrender 1 month prior to the A-bomb hence today many Japanese historians wanted Japan to charge USA for warcrimes during WW2.

2. One who is interested in this should do some reading on the comment by Einstein who regretted creating the A-bomb.

This is what he wrote:
In November 1954, five months before his death, Einstein summarized his feelings about his role in the creation of the atomic bomb: "I made one great mistake in my life... when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made;

Error:

Finally who did Japan surrendered to? USA. Hahahahaha

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Hahaha Did you say "What the hell?"

LOL OK It is BS to many of you because of your own ignorance about the true stories behind WW2 in Asia. Many arrogant Americans thought USA singlely won the Asia Pacific War during WW2. No wonder you guys get an F for history.

Let us checked how much do you understand about history then?

Begining with signing ceremony of surrender on behalf of defeated Japan by Japanese Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu and General Yoshijiro Umezu on Sept 2, 1945 aboard the USS Missouri.

Tell us, Mr Smart Alec

How many other nation flags were flying apart from USA?

Apart from USA and Japan, how many other signatures were affixed to the surrender document?

Finally who did USA surrendered to?

1. In history USA hijacked the victory of this bloody war by dropping 2 A-bombs on civilian population in Japan as a grand finale. This was done despite the fact, Japan had already informed Soviet Union that Japan had decided to surrender 1 month prior to the A-bomb hence today many Japanese historians wanted Japan to charge USA for warcrimes during WW2.

2. One who is interested in this should do some reading on the comment by Einstein who regretted creating the A-bomb.

This is what he wrote:
In November 1954, five months before his death, Einstein summarized his feelings about his role in the creation of the atomic bomb: "I made one great mistake in my life... when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made;

Error:

Finally who did Japan surrendered to? USA. Hahahahaha

As I recall Japan overran much of South East Asia pretty quickly.
What evidence can you display that you would be able to push them back to their home islands by yourselves?

Keep in mind Japan had bombers and a navy that could destroy anything at will as they were basically uncontested in the sky and water.

 

[xunzi]

People here are overtly naïve and only think of the short term effect. But on the other hand, they forgot about the long term effect and the basis of the problem.

The question in this so called "liberation of Japanese constitution" is based on the Chinese growth in the Region. Problem is not Japanese being suddenly militaristic and decided to drop the pacifist stance and go into War mode. This is this perceived threat from China (At least from Japanese point of view)

This have no relation to any geopolitical entity in the region as the main game in Asia is an always is China vs the US. The only gain on either side of the equation is that with Japan growth back their military teeth, it favour US more as all their contribution is going to directly help the US on the region.

There will not be any changes in the geopolitical situation in South or South East Asia, as Japan is til now, a non-player, it was the US who hold the cards to their allies, not Japan.

South Korea Hate Japan, but they will not simply swing into Chinese Camp because they also hated the Chinese and North Korean and it was the US 2nd Infantry division who command the ROK force in DMZ, not the Chinese.

The question one should ask is, do people in Asia fear the Japanese more or the Chinese?? The answer, I think is quite simple and straight forward.

There is nobody who understands the Japanese mindset more than we do. Once they grow more teeth and being more confident, they are going to get rid of the US military on their soil. You are talking about the Samurai spirit here. LOL So whether this is a win for the US remain to be seen in the future. I can accept that in the short term, the US wins as Japan will take more responsibility for their own defense which they have to spend more money on military to keep up with China Rise and less on social welfare for the Japanese people and the US can reduce their expenditure on protecting JP. So that is beneficial to the US taxpayers. But long term wise, like I said, the US influence will be weaken in Japan and they will lose the leash. I'm afraid that version of Japan is not unfavorable to us at all. Everyone knows the Japanese wouldn't dare attack China again as that will be a dead sentence. So for us, it is a win-win situation. Pacifist Japan = More opportunity for us. Militarist Japan = Weaken the US influence in Japan. Win-Win.

As I recall Japan overran much of South East Asia pretty quickly.
What evidence can you display that you would be able to push them back to their home islands by yourselves?

Keep in mind Japan had bombers and a navy that could destroy anything at will as they were basically uncontested in the sky and water.

The answer starts and ends with the Nazi Germany. It was the Nazi Germany who helped modernize our country force and it was them who also betrayed us because we were a military liabilities in global balance and helped to expand Japan militarist teeth. When we fought Japan in WWII, we held them to a stalemate and kept them preoccupied with resistance. We bought time for the Soviet Union to finish off the Nazi Germany. It was a matter of time the Red Army would stomp into Japan and sent weaponry assistance to us that Japan was doom to collapse one way or the other. There is no way Japan can fought a two front war in North with the Soviet Union and in the South with China. So really, the fate of Japan ended when Germany retreated after the Battle of Stalingrad.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The answer starts and ends with the Nazi Germany. It was the Nazi Germany who helped modernize our country force and it was them who also betrayed us because we were a military liabilities in global balance and helped to expand Japan militarist teeth. When we fought Japan in WWII, we held them to a stalemate and kept them preoccupied with resistance. We bought time for the Soviet Union to finish off the Nazi Germany. It was a matter of time the Red Army would stomp into Japan and sent weaponry assistance to us that Japan was doom to collapse one way or the other. There is no way Japan can fought a two front war in North with the Soviet Union and in the South with China. So really, the fate of Japan ended when Germany retreated after the Battle of Stalingrad.

So you were reliant on an outside "savior" achieving victory against another foe? That's a pretty scary gamble for your future. So if Russia lost or decided not to help you..then what?

I'll tell you what Japan would eventually do. They would bulld a massive bomber fleet and flatten anything in their way.

 

[saiyan0321]

After about 70 years Japanese troops will officially be able to travel outside their nation for an offensive war. Tbh the only one who should have a say in this are the Japanese and its people. The next election in Japan will highlight how Abe is really looked at by the Japanese people bcz this security bill is not a small time. You can make or destroy political careers on such bills. If the people of Japan hate the bill then Abe and his party will lose the next election however if they support it they will win the next election.

As for the bill Japan like any other nation has the right to have an army which is based on the national requirement of the nation and is trained as such. They have a right to modernize or raise such a force and its their decision however this rise will send shockwaves in the region without a doubt as Japanese history shows that militarily they were always a very strong nation and with their economy they can raise a formidable force again which means that there is another player rising in Asia, a continent full of regional powers and players.

However raising, modernizing and of course participating in wars will have its negative effects on the Japanese economy and the question is for the last 70 years Japan has enjoyed economic rise due to pacifist defense doctrine. Are they willing to let such a powerful economy get effected bcz of that and will they participate in wars led by us who has a habit of entering a new war every decade. That's for its people to decide.

This will make the strategic politics all the more interesting for Asian nations. Let's see where this goes.

@Nihonjin1051 It seems supports the bill and since he is in Japan he can tell much better about the public perception of the bill.

 

[xunzi]

So you were reliant on an outside "savior" achieving victory against another foe? That's a pretty scary gamble for your future. So if Russia lost or decided not to help you..then what?

It was called an alliance. It is not about relying on foreign force for our resistance. But fate and co-existent self-interest of all parties to defeat the Axis from world domination. It is the same reason the UK and SU allied with one another, supported one another through weapon assistance, that allowed both to fight the Nazi Germany admirably. It is this same concept that we expected to play our role to keep Japan preoccupied. As we were a weaker power from a technological, industrial standpoint in those era, our best contribution was keeping a superior military technology foe from gaining ground in Asia. Had Japan gaining ground in China, they would support the Nazi Germany and that could be ugly for SU and Europe. So in short, SU would eventually raining down on Japan because it would prevent Japan from gaining dominance in Far East and Central Asia, which were of concern for the SU. Defeating Japan is in SU's national interest and so were it for us.

Let play your game hypothetically. Let say the SU lost to Nazi Germany, then what will happen? I tell you what happen. Nazi Germany will conquer all Europe. UK will be isolated and collapsed. Nazi Germany will then use their enormous military complex to aid Japan in accelerating their conquering Asia, which will complete the Axis goal of Eurasia domination. Then they will head down on the US throat. So instead of the US participates in a world war with a team (P5) when they can, they are now force to fight a full invasion from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan on the Atlantic and Pacific. The end game? A world under the leadership of fascist? As an Indian, do you want to live in the world dominated by Axis my friend? LOL