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You should not. ALl serial T-90 have K-5.


But weaker at seams.

Yes all T-90 have 4S22 Kontakt-5 ERA.

That is obvious but hitting those parts are not easy at long ranges... may be a lucky blow.
Besides computer wielding methods have increased the strength lately... one big disadvantage with cast designs are the hump which forms on turret top... providing weak spot there... pretty vulnerable from long distance too.
 
sir he was talking by comparing weight,speed,fire power,type of rounds used etc
u get him wrong....
even Argun and AK are not 1:1 they r atleast 3:1 then how can India afford 4:11 ratio....
We can buy more ARJUN, but question is that you really have so much money to maintain the ratio.:angel:

argun has semi auto transmission with manual gears while AK is automatic with auto gears....
Manual gears give better performance than auto if crew is experienced. Automatic gears performed well crew is rokii in twice side & also reduce work load from the crew but since AK have dedicated man for driving.:smokin:

AK-1 has improved armour.....
:woot::woot:

the speed of Ak made it real killer....
Arjun has issues with hitting moving targets...
Not really. Arjun show upto 70% hit upto distance of 2km even in the speed of 30km/h, which consider better than T90. & also need to mention that ARJUN is also new for crew.:angry:

weight and speed of arjun degrades it...
Weight doesnt degrade even give it better protection & as it out run the T90 in trials so mobility is also not the factor.

and AK 1 has further improved engine with more hp.....n improved autoloader and chinees gun replaced with Pakistani self designed improved gun......
Arjun is also improving.
 
Exactly, thats why Indian army prefers Russian tanks over heavy western tanks which will get bogged down in sand dunes. Sorry but Arjun is only better on papers.

You are completely wrong here... T-72 and T-90 are perfect choice tank for invading forces... while Arjun type tanks are very good at taking out a far larger number of enemies in defensive role... Now there are many factors which support this... while considering Pakistan.

The sands of Thar is the perfect place for Arjun type tanks.... If Pakistan were Thar.... India would be having 2000 Arjuns... and no doubt Pakistan would've bought M1a1 tanks from US... the main problem here is that the deserts ends on borders and rest of Pakistan is Punjab with many rivers and streams flowing... tanks like arjun can get struck in mud more easily and the Bridges in Pakistan would surely collapse when 63 ton Arjun rides on them.

That is why you see Arjun Deployed only in Rajasthan and T-90S Bheeshma are deployed in both Rajasthan and Punjab.

T-90S in Punjab have digital camo suiting the terrain rather than the yellow T-90S in Rajasthan.

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You are completely wrong here... T-72 and T-90 are perfect choice tank for invading forces... while Arjun type tanks are very good at taking out a far larger number of enemies in defensive role... Now there are many factors which support this... while considering Pakistan.

The sands of Thar is the perfect place for Arjun type tanks.... If Pakistan were Thar.... India would be having 2000 Arjuns... and no doubt Pakistan would've bought M1a1 tanks from US... the main problem here is that the deserts ends on borders and rest of Pakistan is Punjab with many rivers and streams flowing... tanks like arjun can get struck in mud more easily and the Bridges in Pakistan would surely collapse when 63 ton Arjun rides on them.

That is why you see Arjun Deployed only in Rajasthan and T-90S Bheeshma are deployed in both Rajasthan and Punjab.

T-90S in Punjab have digital camo suiting the terrain rather than the yellow T-90S in Rajasthan.

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i love that cammo...:) its great...
well so much planning isnot good..:D
i.e getting on pak soil and unable to cross rivers..:D
 
We can buy more ARJUN, but question is that you really have so much money to maintain the ratio.:angel:


Manual gears give better performance than auto if crew is experienced. Automatic gears performed well crew is rokii in twice side & also reduce work load from the crew but since AK have dedicated man for driving.:smokin:


:woot::woot:


Not really. Arjun show upto 70% hit upto distance of 2km even in the speed of 30km/h, which consider better than T90. & also need to mention that ARJUN is also new for crew.:angry:


Weight doesnt degrade even give it better protection & as it out run the T90 in trials so mobility is also not the factor.


Arjun is also improving.

u truely r a troll...
well Pak can buy and maintain required ratio as we always doo...
and yeahh u can buy..
bt u need to chk out no. of Arjuns u bought an AKs we have. .
this should disappoint u...
Ak has more pick up than Arjun than what transmission advantage r u talking about??
yeahh i know its can hit a target....:D
Ak can travel in 8 foot+ water....under water..
can Arjun??
i can bet Arjun can't even get outta mud...
well u can dream what u want but please don't make such odd arguments..
am no troll..
ask a sensible arny personnal..
he will tell u why ur army prefered a downfraded tank(T-90 which is out runned by arjun according to ur opinion) on Arjun since Arjun is best of best....
u will get the answer.
and u have money to induce Arjun? ?
soo plzzz induce atleast 150 Arjuns till 2014 plzzz..
we have around 300+ Aks....
and AK1 induction is also just being started...
 
u truely r a troll...
well Pak can buy and maintain required ratio as we always doo...
and yeahh u can buy..
bt u need to chk out no. of Arjuns u bought an AKs we have. .
this should disappoint u...
Ak has more pick up than Arjun than what transmission advantage r u talking about??
yeahh i know its can hit a target....:D
Ak can travel in 8 foot+ water....under water..
can Arjun??
i can bet Arjun can't even get outta mud...
well u can dream what u want but please don't make such odd arguments..
am no troll..
ask a sensible arny personnal..
he will tell u why ur army prefered a downfraded tank(T-90 which is out runned by arjun according to ur opinion) on Arjun since Arjun is best of best....
u will get the answer.
and u have money to induce Arjun? ?
soo plzzz induce atleast 150 Arjuns till 2014 plzzz..
we have around 300+ Aks....
and AK1 induction is also just being started...

........... & What exactly you want to say??????:cool:
 
i love that cammo...:) its great...
well so much planning isnot good..:D
i.e getting on pak soil and unable to cross rivers..:D

That has been the main concern over the years... you might find a whole array of different bridge laying platforms... in the IA to overcome the obstacle... so far.

Some analyst also suggest Pakistan deliberately flooding its fields to stop Indian advance.... which is quiet possible with all those canals flowing in Punjab... T-90 tanks are perhaps the best available solution here... a reason why T-72M1M is still being kept and has been upgraded to Ajeya standards.
 
Ak has more pick up than Arjun than what transmission advantage r u talking about??

Ak can travel in 8 foot+ water....under water..
can Arjun??
i can bet Arjun can't even get outta mud...

he will tell u why ur army prefered a downfraded tank(T-90 which is out runned by arjun according to ur opinion) on Arjun since Arjun is best of best....

Yes Al Khalid has better pick up... but tanks aren't going to play drag races.

Transmission and suspension of Arjun are among its best parts.

800px-Arjun_MBT_bump_track_test.JPG


Note the stability of tank on those bumps.. something only Arjun can do... If you have seen the Arjun doing this in video.

Arjun too fords 6-8 foot water easily.

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Its ground pressure is lower than the lighter T-72 due to its design.. the problem here is size and weight.

T-90S Bheeshma is certainly not a "downfraded" tank at all... Its protection is much better than any Tank in the region... only Pakistani T-80UD comes close... ZTZ-99 and Al Khalid are much behind them.

Arjun would subsequently be the better tank once they are slowly increased and mark2 comes out in good number till then T-90S is better tank and with the planned upgrades it would be even better.
 
Yes Al Khalid has better pick up... but tanks aren't going to play drag races.

Transmission and suspension of Arjun are among its best parts.

800px-Arjun_MBT_bump_track_test.JPG


Note the stability of tank on those bumps.. something only Arjun can do... If you have seen the Arjun doing this in video.

Arjun too fords 6-8 foot water easily.

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Its ground pressure is lower than the lighter T-72 due to its design.. the problem here is size and weight.

T-90S Bheeshma is certainly not a "downfraded" tank at all... Its protection is much better than any Tank in the region... only Pakistani T-80UD comes close... ZTZ-99 and Al Khalid are much behind them.

Arjun would subsequently be the better tank once they are slowly increased and mark2 comes out in good number till then T-90S is better tank and with the planned upgrades it would be even better.

Yes yes :disagree::rolleyes:

Repeat something false so many times that it becomes a truth.
 
Yes Al Khalid has better pick up... but tanks aren't going to play drag races.

Transmission and suspension of Arjun are among its best parts.

800px-Arjun_MBT_bump_track_test.JPG


Note the stability of tank on those bumps.. something only Arjun can do... If you have seen the Arjun doing this in video.

Arjun too fords 6-8 foot water easily.

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Its ground pressure is lower than the lighter T-72 due to its design.. the problem here is size and weight.

T-90S Bheeshma is certainly not a "downfraded" tank at all... Its protection is much better than any Tank in the region... only Pakistani T-80UD comes close... ZTZ-99 and Al Khalid are much behind them.

Arjun would subsequently be the better tank once they are slowly increased and mark2 comes out in good number till then T-90S is better tank and with the planned upgrades it would be even better.

you need a break from forums really !
 
so can someone explain why the T80UD was chosen when PA could have bought leopard or Abrams, both tanks are considered best in class and would have given PK a bigger punch, what does the T80 have that is better than the other options.
 
Yes Al Khalid has better pick up... but tanks aren't going to play drag races.

Transmission and suspension of Arjun are among its best parts.

800px-Arjun_MBT_bump_track_test.JPG


Note the stability of tank on those bumps.. something only Arjun can do... If you have seen the Arjun doing this in video.

Arjun too fords 6-8 foot water easily.

scaled.php


Its ground pressure is lower than the lighter T-72 due to its design.. the problem here is size and weight.

T-90S Bheeshma is certainly not a "downfraded" tank at all... Its protection is much better than any Tank in the region... only Pakistani T-80UD comes close... ZTZ-99 and Al Khalid are much behind them.

Arjun would subsequently be the better tank once they are slowly increased and mark2 comes out in good number till then T-90S is better tank and with the planned upgrades it would be even better.

on such tiny bumps even i wont feel them on bicycle

i would rather show you what real bumps around the world are.
look how much bigger the bumps are and than watchout the suspension system of al khalid

 
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