PA's New Haider MBT is the T99A- Type 99 MBT

[Dazzler]

The T-90 is better then anything the PA has, anyone who thinks the AK will stand a chance against the T-90 needs a god damn reality check, its time PA looked at a new induction, upgrading the AK wont change much. the PA needs to employ new AT weapons at the very least and mass produce them, HJ-8/Baktar shikan wont do a damn thing against the T-90s

No, it is not, in fact, the t-90 lacks a true hunter-killer fire control system, panoramic sight, battle management system with network centric warfare capability. Heck, it even lacks a proper environment control system for keeping vetronics from frying. And its has less turret frontal armor compared to Alkhalid series.

As for anti-tank weapons, Pakistan has several options including decent APFSDS rounds approaching and exceeding 600mm+ penetration of steel and composite armor. On the other hand, IA lacks decent APFSDS rounds. Thier indigenous rounds are duds, they banned IMI that could give them a good 125mm round so there goes the ammo part.

Lastly, they are struggling to develop a decent anti tank penetration for Arjun, the current round could barely penetrate Type-59Ms frontal armour.

 

[Oleg]

why Oplot M failed in Pak trials?

Engine cooked off in hot desert. It will come back for another trial run after KMDB tweak its cooling system for better cooling.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Does the T-90 have a foolproof active protection suite capable of stopping simultaneous projectile attacks?

No such thing. You can take care of a hard-kill APS by detonating an air-burst grenade (out of the interceptor's range) over the tank. The sights are gone, the APS sensors are gone and you're all set to test its armour's strength.

 

[Tipu7]

The T-90 is better then anything the PA has, anyone who thinks the AK will stand a chance against the T-90 needs a god damn reality check, its time PA looked at a new induction, upgrading the AK wont change much. the PA needs to employ new AT weapons at the very least and mass produce them, HJ-8/Baktar shikan wont do a damn thing against the T-90s

Plz stop taking YouTube videos titled "Top 10 tanks in World" too seriously......

The T-90 has a battle proven active protection systems tested in syria. the T-90 has been ERA then the AK.

Shtora APS only. which is a Passive Protection System. (or soft kill)
No T90 version has any hard kill APS.

And here, T90A and AK1
(Both with Soft Kill APS, Shtora & Varta respectively)

No such thing. You can take care of a hard-kill APS by detonating an air-burst grenade (out of the interceptor's range) over the tank. The sights are gone, the APS sensors are gone and you're all set to test its armour's strength.

It is not that easy. When you are in range to do that, you are already in range of Tank. It will take you out before you get chance to speculate the scene of air burst grenades damaging APS sensors............. knocking out tank with ATGM comes way later

 

[Oleg]

No T90 version has any hard kill APS.

And Russia itself also does not have any APS in production.
While Ukraine does. Zaslon APS. But im not sure how effective it is in real combat situation, there is no good quality test video to see if it will be effective. Maybe they dont want to show its secrets with detailed video, or its not really effective and they just mask this with bad video.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Plz stop taking YouTube videos titled "Top 10 tanks in World" too seriously......


Shtora APS only. which is a Passive Protection System. (or soft kill)
No T90 version has any hard kill APS.

And here, T90A and AK1
(Both with Soft Kill APS, Shtora & Varta respectively)

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It is not that easy. When you are in range to do that, you are already in range of Tank. It will take you out before you get chance to speculate the scene of air burst grenades damaging APS sensors............. knocking out tank with ATGM comes way later

Not really. The shooter could be entrenched. Point is that no APS is foolproof.

 

[Tipu7]

And Russia itself also does not have any APS in production.
While Ukraine does. Zaslon APS. But im not sure how effective it is in real combat situation, there is no good quality test video to see if it will be effective. Maybe they dont want to show its secrets with detailed video, or its not really effective and they just mask this with bad video.

Zalson APS was tested by Pakistan.
Issue with Zalson is that it require a lot of room in tank, and it can provide protection from one shot in one direction. Unlike common APS Zalson do not use flexible Launchers which can rotate at 180 degree.

Here in Zalson case you need 6 launchers for complete 360 degree protection.

In Iron Fist, Akkor,LEDS rotate able launchers with multiple shots require less space to provide 360 degree protection. 2 Units with 2 intercept charges are more than enough.

Not really. The shooter could be entrenched. Point is that no APS is foolproof.

Yup its not foolproof, but still even it can give you chance to survive one shot, and it battle field it can make a difference.

 

[Oleg]

and it can provide protection from one shot in one direction.

From 2 shots. There is 2 tubes with protective charges. One moving out after first was detonated.

In Iron Fist, Akkor,LEDS rotate able launchers with multiple shots require less space to provide 360 degree protection.

I see 1 problem with such system. Its centralized. Means 1 airburst round detonate over top of the tank and no more APS.
While Zaslon is decentralized, every protective module with 2 charges has its own detector and electronics. Destroying 1 module does not render your APS useless, it will still work in other directions.

 

[Tipu7]

From 2 shots. There is 2 tubes with protective charges. One moving out after first was detonated.

Thanks for info. I used to wonder sometimes what is inside that second hole

 

[Asian.Century]

Type 99 updated is a great tank, we need some new light tanks for mountainous warfare and where we lack tremendously.

 

[Asian.Century]

Pakistan procuring 600 tanks to strengthen capability along border with India, including indigenous Haider Tank: report

As part of revamping its armoured fleet by 2025, Pakistan has decided to procure 600 battle tanks, including T-90 tanks from Russia, besides producing indigenously codenamed "Haider MBT" with the help of China to bolster its military might along the border with India, Times of India reported on Sunday.

Reportedly, most of the tanks Pakistan is procuring will be able to hit targets at a range of 3 to 4 km. Apart from battle tanks, Pakistan Army is also procuring 245 150mm SP Mike-10 guns from Italy out of which it has already received 120 guns, the report added.

The report stated that Pakistan is eyeing to buy from Russia a batch of T-90 battle tanks- the mainstays of the armoured regiments of the Indian Army and that the move reflects Islamabad’s intent to forge a deeper defence engagement with Moscow.

Russia has been India’s largest and most trusted defence supplier post Independence.

Reportedly, as part of the mega plan to significantly revamp its armoured fleet by 2025, Pakistan has decided to procure at least 360 battle tanks globally besides producing 220 tanks indigenously with help from its close ally China.

Pakistan Army’s move to enhance its armoured corps comes at a time when the Line of Control (LoC) has witnessed growing hostilities in the last year.

The Indian Army had drawn up a mega plan to modernise its infantry and armoured corps. However, almost all the procurement projects including the Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) programme are stuck due to a variety of reasons.

Reportedly, at present, over 70 per cent of the tanks in Pakistan’s armoury has the capability to operate during the night which is a matter of concern for India.

MODERNISING TANK FLEET:

Besides eyeing to procure T-90 tanks, Pakistan Army is also in the process of inducting Chinese VT-4 tanks as well as Oplod-P tanks from Ukraine, the report stated. Trials for both Oplod and VT-4 tanks have already been conducted by the Pakistan Army.

At present, Pakistan is learnt to have around 17 units of Chinese origin T-59 and T69 tanks, which comprise 30 per cent of its total tank strength, the report added.

It also has 12 regiments of Al-Zarar tanks, which makes 20 per cent of the tank fleet while Ukraine origin T-80-UD and T-85 UD, as well as upgraded version of T-59 tanks, comprise the rest of the 50 per cent tank fleet, the report further stated.

“The Pakistan Army is carrying out modernisation of its armoured regiments in a calibrated and time-bound manner which is not the case in India,” said an expert, who wished not to be named.

 

[mingle]

Haris Khan PDF pakistan in talks with Russia for 400 T90S tanks and 15 Mi35 Helicopter no oplot P according to him maybe to current T84 tanks upgraded to oplot standards. So T90S would be our new tanks Ak1and Ak2 probably going to shelf.
I been following Haris for 18yrs usually he corrects if circumstances not changed. Looks like we going big with Russian hardware.
Commonilty of weapons between pak India he believes won't make big difference alot of equipment which both countries use like Mig21 F7 or Harpoons over p3 or P8.

 

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No, it is not, in fact, the t-90 lacks a true hunter-killer fire control system, panoramic sight, battle management system with network centric warfare capability. Heck, it even lacks a proper environment control system for keeping vetronics from frying. And its has less turret frontal armor compared to Alkhalid series.

Doesn’t India Field T-90MS!!?

Type 99 updated is a great tank, we need some new light tanks for mountainous warfare and where we lack tremendously.

That’s untrue. NSWW Op’s have proved the usefulness of current tanks in such regions.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Haris Khan PDF pakistan in talks with Russia for 400 T90S tanks and 15 Mi35 Helicopter no oplot P according to him maybe to current T84 tanks upgraded to oplot standards. So T90S would be our new tanks Ak1and Ak2 probably going to shelf.
I been following Haris for 18yrs usually he corrects if circumstances not changed. Looks like we going big with Russian hardware.
Commonilty of weapons between pak India he believes won't make big difference alot of equipment which both countries use like Mig21 F7 or Harpoons over p3 or P8.

Is Pakdef alive, thought that forum died ages ago. The T90S makes no sense for Pakistan. What Pakistan really needs from Russia is the S400 series. Sell Pakistan those puppies!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Haris Khan PDF pakistan in talks with Russia for 400 T90S tanks and 15 Mi35 Helicopter no oplot P according to him maybe to current T84 tanks upgraded to oplot standards. So T90S would be our new tanks Ak1and Ak2 probably going to shelf.
I been following Haris for 18yrs usually he corrects if circumstances not changed. Looks like we going big with Russian hardware.
Commonilty of weapons between pak India he believes won't make big difference alot of equipment which both countries use like Mig21 F7 or Harpoons over p3 or P8.

end of AK project itself? WTF