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I'm aware of the AIB, but some facts shouldn't be spelled on an open forum.
They can and should be. Only then it is put to closure. That crash would still have the same silence if it had killed people on the ground with the current mental structure within the organisation. Mighty as they are, it proves they are human when fatigued....
 
They can and should be. Only then it is put to closure. That crash would still have the same silence if it had killed people on the ground with the current mental structure within the organisation. Mighty as they are, it proves they are human when fatigued....
What is even more important is transparency that processes and checks go into place to both recognize the ancillary impacts that can lead to this and many similar incidents with a non-taboo and introspective approach to help the asset back to 100%.

A very interesting thing was said by the former chief F-35 TP. He said that with the advent of these jets, where aircraft like the F-35(and even the JF-17 and J-10) are taking out the aspect of managing the aircraft out and more on managing a lot of information - a chunk of the USAF budget went into even more advanced physical & mental fitness/wellness programs that go beyond into individual nutrition and mental health plans and so on. Expensive and advanced assets like the F-35 and even PAF fighters need an equally “advanced” and high performing human being behind it. Gone are the days of just “manliness” and bravado - you need to be one heck of a sharp cookie and physically at peak to manage a milliseconds BVR , ADGE and EW Chess game with your airborne team.

I remember the PAF(and the SSG) has begun physical training and nutrition guidelines and protein powders were being expensed but I don’t know how far they came along.. maybe @PanzerKiel has some up to date info on where that thought process stands
 
The reasons are best kept internal but he should not have been flying that day. As an example a PAF officer lost his father suddenly to an illness and was taken off flying. When he did return he wasn’t immediately handed a jet but instead eased into the air through backseat rides and slowly in a month or so brought back into the routine. Similar process should have been undertaken here but he was OC and there were other factors - that has nothing to do with his flying ability, officer calibre or his general relationship to his squad mates some of whom I repeat multiple times bawled like children when they realized what had happened.

Long story short - ancillary impacts of a job are missed at times - Murphy’s law.
not sure if i understand...why shouldnt he have been flying that day? What happened to him prior to this flight that made this flight risky? Your post is very unclear
 
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The Officer Commanding With The Instructor Pilots Of No 37 Combat Training Wing.



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Former Chief of the Air Staff of Pakistan Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Jamal Ahmed Khan, . Born on 15 Apr 1934, young Jamal joined RPAF College, Risalpur in 1952.

After completing Jet Conversion Course at Mauripur, Jamal was selected to join the PAF’s first Jet Sqn of Super Marine Attackers, the elite No 11 Sqn. He soon matured into a promising fighter pilot of PAF. One of the greatest milestones of Jamal’s brilliant career was the feat achieved during Fighter Weapons Instructors’ Course at UK.

In Mar 1957, while flying a DH 112 Venom aircraft in an Air-to-Air Gunnery mission at RAF Leconfield, Jamal produced some exceptional results. He graduated with an exceptional grading in air-to-air gunnery for having maintained the highest marksmanship.

Flt Lt Jamal was also among the pioneering few who were selected to convert on the state-of-the-art newly inducted supersonic Star Fighters.

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Subsequently, he was privileged to command the prestigious No 9 Sqn, equipped with F-104 aircraft. The Sqn under his able command showed great progress and nurtured large number of great fighter pilots who achieved excellence during the wars with India. During the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War, Sqn Ldr Jamal Ahmed Khan flew numerous Air Defence & Photo Recce Missions. He was one of two pilots who were credited with the shooting down of an IAF Canberra aircraft.

His contribution to deterring the weight and accuracy of enemy night bomber’s attacks was commendable. He carried out all his missionswith aggressiveness and professional excellence. For his exceptional devotion to duty and valour, Sqn Ldr Jamal Ahmed Khan was awarded Sitara-i-Juraat.

During 1971 War, Jamal was serving as Director Plans at AHQ and played a key role during the war. On promotion to a two-star rank, the exceptional officer was selected for the most coveted assignment of DCAS (Operations). He took over as the Vice Chief of the Air Staff in Apr 1984 and then as Chief of the Air Staff in Mar 1985. As Air Chief, he was known for being extremely meticulous in his work.

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He endeavored to steer PAF to be a highly professional and reputed service.

During his tenure, Command Doctrine AFM-1 was prepared and issued to all personnel of PAF. Another feather in his cap was the establishment of the JCO’s Academy in 1986. PAF salutes the highly remarkable and respected officer. His altruistic services for PAF and the country can never be forgotten.
 
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On 20 Feb, 2003, Twenty years ago today, Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir along with 16 other personnel, got martyred when PAF Fokker F-27 crashed near Kohat. He was the 16th Chief of Air Staff of the PAF.

May their souls rest in peace!

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Flight Lieutenant Gulfam Soomro shaheed - March 13, 2007.

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F-7 Fighter Aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force crashed in the Kharotabad area near Samungli Air Base, official sources said. Pilot Flight Lieutenant Gulfam Soomro embraced Shahadat in the crash while Pilot Taha suffered injuries. The crash occurred due to technical malfunction.

May Allah Award The Martyred Soul The Highest Place In Jannah.
 
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Former Chief of the Air Staff of Pakistan Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Jamal Ahmed Khan, . Born on 15 Apr 1934, young Jamal joined RPAF College, Risalpur in 1952.

After completing Jet Conversion Course at Mauripur, Jamal was selected to join the PAF’s first Jet Sqn of Super Marine Attackers, the elite No 11 Sqn. He soon matured into a promising fighter pilot of PAF. One of the greatest milestones of Jamal’s brilliant career was the feat achieved during Fighter Weapons Instructors’ Course at UK.

In Mar 1957, while flying a DH 112 Venom aircraft in an Air-to-Air Gunnery mission at RAF Leconfield, Jamal produced some exceptional results. He graduated with an exceptional grading in air-to-air gunnery for having maintained the highest marksmanship.

Flt Lt Jamal was also among the pioneering few who were selected to convert on the state-of-the-art newly inducted supersonic Star Fighters.

FQZ5f1XWYAYe22j


Subsequently, he was privileged to command the prestigious No 9 Sqn, equipped with F-104 aircraft. The Sqn under his able command showed great progress and nurtured large number of great fighter pilots who achieved excellence during the wars with India. During the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War, Sqn Ldr Jamal Ahmed Khan flew numerous Air Defence & Photo Recce Missions. He was one of two pilots who were credited with the shooting down of an IAF Canberra aircraft.

His contribution to deterring the weight and accuracy of enemy night bomber’s attacks was commendable. He carried out all his missionswith aggressiveness and professional excellence. For his exceptional devotion to duty and valour, Sqn Ldr Jamal Ahmed Khan was awarded Sitara-i-Juraat.

During 1971 War, Jamal was serving as Director Plans at AHQ and played a key role during the war. On promotion to a two-star rank, the exceptional officer was selected for the most coveted assignment of DCAS (Operations). He took over as the Vice Chief of the Air Staff in Apr 1984 and then as Chief of the Air Staff in Mar 1985. As Air Chief, he was known for being extremely meticulous in his work.

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He endeavored to steer PAF to be a highly professional and reputed service.

During his tenure, Command Doctrine AFM-1 was prepared and issued to all personnel of PAF. Another feather in his cap was the establishment of the JCO’s Academy in 1986. PAF salutes the highly remarkable and respected officer. His altruistic services for PAF and the country can never be forgotten.
Probably you cannot find a CAS anywhere in the world with Jamal's resume. He was instrumental in PAF acquiring F-16s during the early 80s as DCAS(O) and later VCAS. Unlike the previous CAS, his reputation was impeccable ...his integrity was unbreakable. Sadly his wife died when he was an Air Commodore in the early 80s and he never married again.

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Flight Lieutenant Gulfam Soomro shaheed - March 13, 2007.

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F-7 Fighter Aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force crashed in the Kharotabad area near Samungli Air Base, official sources said. Pilot Flight Lieutenant Gulfam Soomro embraced Shahadat in the crash while Pilot Taha suffered injuries. The crash occurred due to technical malfunction.

May Allah Award The Martyred Soul The Highest Place In Jannah.
was this the one that involved two PGs with an air to air collision?
 
Probably you cannot find a CAS anywhere in the world with Jamal's resume. He was instrumental in PAF acquiring F-16s during the early 80s as DCAS(O) and later VCAS. Unlike the previous CAS, his reputation was impeccable ...his integrity was unbreakable. Sadly his wife died when he was an Air Commodore in the early 80s and he never married again.


was this the one that involved two PGs with an air to air collision?
That mid air collision had no fatalities. And it happened in 2002 i think.
 

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