Ottoman Empire Railways in Balkan, Anatolia and Arabia

[A1Kaid]

Lol, how am i acting like a belly dancer? Am i belly dancing?


What did i claim about mongrel?

Lol, belly dancing, Deno would say something like that...lol



Edit: Okay thanks for the explanation it makes sense.

 

[Desert Fox]

It is really not easy to define what an Arab is, it is not a Race, people of countires the of Arab league are of diff. cultures, colors, religions. They speak the same language but different dialects. Their is no feeling of Arab superiority, Egyptians are proud of being Egyptians, same applies to Algerians, Tunisians, Iraqis, Syrian, Palestinians, even the Arabs of the Arabian penesula are proud of being Kuwaiti, Emiraties, Qataris, Saudi Arabians, ect.. Calling the people of the Arab league a race, is like saying the people of America are of American race no matter if they are Black, White, Asian, ect.. Being an Arab is a political term now days, hoping we could be united as a one country one day, since we speak the same language, and like eachother, and feel like one. It is still doesn't mean we are all of the same race.

I need a straight forward answer, Are Arabs a race? Yes or No?

Mosa confused the hell out of me, he accused me of being a racist but on the other hand he and now you are suggesting Arabs are not a race, just diverse people of different nationalities who happen to speak the same language with different dialects.

I'm not claiming Arabs to be a race or not, at least not until you guys make up your minds and give me a simple straight forward answer.

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You were being passive agressive while trying to spur him up with this line ''But not all Arabs are mixed, and if they are then why do Arabs prefer to call themselves "Arabs" (a single identity), why not change the name to MONGREL or MUTT (whatever the Arabic word for it is)?''

I wasn't being aggressive, he claims most Arabs are of diverse backgrounds and not single race due to intermingling with various people who invaded or moved into Arabia/Arab lands, therefore that fits the definition of a mongrel (people of mixed ancestry), so what was wrong there?

PS: ''Don't act like a bellydaner'' this term used by Turks to say that, When you have done something admit it like a man and don't bend multiple directions like a bellydance...

And i never denied i said those words, so i don't know how you came to the conclusion that i was "acting like a bellydancer".

 

[Zulkarneyn]

What this poem is talking about very different from what he talked about...

1) You say its hard for non-muslims to undertand what you wrote about every muslim need Arabs... and you told this to another muslim which Islam stricly forbits a person to question others beliefs and see it as blasphemy. What you are doing by calling him non-muslim is blasphemy in Islam.

2) Islam is not the religion of Arabs or Arabian language nor its prophets nationality is important. Islam is religion that came to all of the humanity. Islam consist of all languages, nations in this world. One nations absence doesn't matter for Islam and Arabs do not differ from any other religion.

3)Yep, post a poem about protecting opressed peoples rights to defend opressing religious regimes Even British would laught at that irony...

4) If I remember right, you were the one who critisized me about posting a poem about the subject we were discussing and now you posting a poem that has nothing to with what people in this thread discussing?

Nevermind i will spend my time.
1) He himself told before he is not a Muslim.
2) Have i said otherwise?
3) Have i defended dictators?
4) The poem was written for those who can understand.

And if you truly care about relevance, why did you thank his post where he wrote about Fetullah gulen? Very relevant to this thread indeed.

Edit: let me elaborate about the poems relevance.

read post #40 and then post #41

Instead of ELABORATING about my post which he disagrees about, he writes nonsense. I simply oppose and dislike posts that contain nothing relevant. Islam and Muslims are my ancestors. I don't have a fish brain either, i can remember people's opinions on certain matters. The user called What, called Israel a heaven in Middle East and said that Palestinians were the faulty ones. In other words he sides with Zionists against my Muslim brothers who are getting oppressed daily with Israeli terror. Now you may start having a picture of why that certain poem is relevant as an answer to post #41.

 

[Desert Fox]

Mosa, i'm still waiting for you to reply to my post:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...ays-balkan-anatolia-arabia-5.html#post2624427

 

[Desert Fox]

deno is gay lesi lol

What?

 

[Deno]

I need a straight forward answer, Are Arabs a race? Yes or No?

Mosa confused the hell out of me, he accused me of being a racist but on the other hand he and now you are suggesting Arabs are not a race, just diverse people of different nationalities who happen to speak the same language with different dialects.

I'm not claiming Arabs to be a race or not, at least not until you guys make up your minds and give me a simple straight forward answer.

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I wasn't being aggressive, he claims most Arabs are of diverse backgrounds and not single race due to intermingling with various people who invaded or moved into Arabia/Arab lands, therefore that fits the definition of a mongrel (people of mixed ancestry), so what was wrong there?

And i never denied i said those words, so i don't know how you came to the conclusion that i was "acting like a bellydancer".

I have never said that you denied what you posted... I have said that you denied that you wrote those as to provoke him... really Why would you use words like mongrel or mutt... Both of those words are offensive and used as insults...

 

[Desert Fox]

No one can argue that Turks were interested in philosophy and art after Islam but not beacuse they were muslims because they started to become Urban and that perdiod does not start with Islam... That starts with Uighurs... You both don't know history and still make this claims about histroy... It is sad to see this.

Who are you referring to as "both"?

 

[Deno]

Nevermind i will spend my time.
1) He himself told before he is not a Muslim.
2) Have i said otherwise?
3) Have i defended dictators?
4) The poem was written for those who can understand.

And if you truly care about relevance, why did you thank his post where he wrote about Fetullah gulen? Very relevant to this thread indeed.

Edit: let me elaborate about the poems relevance.

read post #40 and then post #41

Instead of ELABORATING about my post which he disagrees about, he writes nonsense. I simply oppose and dislike posts that contain nothing relevant. Islam and Muslims are my ancestors. I don't have a fish brain either, i can remember people's opinions on certain matters. The user called What, called Israel a heaven in Middle East and said that Palestinians were the faulty ones. In other words he sides with Zionists against my Muslim brothers who are getting oppressed daily with Israeli terror. Now you may start having a picture of why that certain poem is relevant as an answer to post #41.

I read those post and you defended that no muslim could live without Arabs and he just posted fae palm meme... There was nothing wrong with that and I believed he was r,ght at that subject.

If you read my posts on Israel/Palestine issues you would know that I take Palestine strguggle against Israel seriously and defend them every way I can... But that doesn't change the fact that I can appreciate good humor from someone. If your poem was about another threat than you should post it to that threat not this one which has nothing to do with Israel/Palestine issue...

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Who are you referring to as "both"?

1)don't know history

2) making claims about history

 

[Selim I]

have you read the title of this thread, the last 3-4 pages had absoluet no relevance to anything

 

[agentny17]

I need a straight forward answer, Are Arabs a race? Yes or No?

Mosa confused the hell out of me, he accused me of being a racist but on the other hand he and now you are suggesting Arabs are not a race, just diverse people of different nationalities who happen to speak the same language with different dialects.

I'm not claiming Arabs to be a race or not, at least not until you guys make up your minds and give me a simple straight forward answer.

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I wasn't being aggressive, he claims most Arabs are of diverse backgrounds and not single race due to intermingling with various people who invaded or moved into Arabia/Arab lands, therefore that fits the definition of a mongrel (people of mixed ancestry), so what was wrong there?

And i never denied i said those words, so i don't know how you came to the conclusion that i was "acting like a bellydancer".

You have a mind, so use it. You don't want me or Mosa to decide for you. This will help you Panethnicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Desert Fox]

I have never said that you denied what you posted... I have said that you denied that you wrote those as to provoke him... really Why would you use words like mongrel or mutt... Both of those words are offensive and used as insults...

If Mongrel is an insulting word then why has the President of the United States used it to describe his own people?

Mongrel doesn't always have to be in reference to mixed breed dogs, it can be used in reference to humans of mixed ancestry.

I've lived in the United States for a long wile and people frequently use these words to describe themselves or others who are of mixed racial background.

Secondly, i'm not the one trying to provoke anyone, if he didn't agree with what i said in my post#50 then he could have replied with a counter argument constructively but instead he resorted to personal attacks and he called me a punk, which is considered a personal attack, so again you need to stop jumping to unnecessary conclusions.

 

[Desert Fox]

You have a mind, so use it.

Its not about me using my brain or not, because i use it very well, but its about Mosa's not being able to make up his mind about whether or not Arabs are a race or not.

You don't want me or Mosa to decide for you. This will help you Panethnicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not Arab, so i'd rather hear it straight from the horses mouth. Is that a yes or a no?

 

[Deno]

If Mongrel is an insulting word then why has the President of the United States used it to describe his own people?

Mongrel doesn't always have to be in reference to mixed breed dogs, it can be used in reference to humans of mixed ancestry.

I've lived in the United States for a long wile and people frequently use these words to describe themselves or others who are of mixed racial background.

Secondly, i'm not the one trying to provoke anyone, if he didn't agree with what i said in my post#50 then he could have replied with a counter argument but instead he resorted to personal attacks and he called me a punk, which is considered a personal attack, so again you need to stop jumping to unnecessary conclusions.

Yes, you definitly used ''mongrel'' as its literal meaning and used ''mutt'' as to describe the Arabic people as cute because dogs are very cute animals... You definitly didn't use mongrel as hybrid dog and mutt as to insult him and Sunnis because sunnis see dogs as dirty animals....

You were playing dirty with your words and atleast he clearly came out and called you punk after you suggested why Arabs don't call themselves mongrel or mutt... Please, lets not play games.

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes, you definitly used ''mongrel'' as its literal meaning and used ''mutt'' as to describe the Arabic people as cute because dogs are very ute people...

Oh yeah? Bring proof that i used it to describe Arabs as dogs, otherwise you are blatantly lying.

You definitly didn't use mongrel as hybrid dog and mutt as to insult him and Sunnis because sunnis see dogs as dirty animals....

Sunnis? Lolz, what the hell does that have anything to do with this? Seriously, you are funny coming up with these silly conclusions!

You were playing dirty with your words and atleast he clearly came out and called you punk after you suggested why Arabs don't call themselves mongrel or mutt...

He called me a punk before i posted that mongrel comment genius:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...ays-balkan-anatolia-arabia-4.html#post2624056

Please, lets not play games.

You need to stop playing games pulling weird conclusions out of thin air.

 

[agentny17]

Its not about me using my brain or not, because i use it very well, but its about Mosa's not being able to make up his mind about whether or not Arabs are a race or not.



I'm not Arab, so i'd rather hear it straight from the horses mouth. Is that a yes or a no?

If you consider all Americans to be of American race, then all Arabs are of Arabic race. Got it ? It is a big NO, that is what i been saying it forever, not sure why you keep asking me the same question. When did i imply that Arab is a race ? It is not