Ottoman Empire Railways in Balkan, Anatolia and Arabia

[Majnun]

The Arabs of the Peninsula were never traitors. It was the Egyptians and the Palestinians who were traitors. They stabbed the Turks in the back and yet even today the Turks support the Palestinians. The Egyptians and Palestinians were ungrateful traitors who always took advantage of the magnanimity and generosity the Turks showed them. The Saudis did not betray the Ottoman Empire and did not fight against the Turks.

 

[Cerian]

The Saudis did not betray the Ottoman Empire and did not fight against the Turks.

Not in WWI they didn't. But I wouldn't say Saudi clan liked Ottomans that much as they fought each other numerous times in 19th century. Some of the Saudi leaders also brought to Istanbul for public executions. There is still an enmity in SA towards Ottomans because of that.

 

[forummurat]

The Egyptians and Palestinians were ungrateful traitors who always took advantage of the magnanimity and generosity the Turks showed them.

Look to the mirror if you want to find the real traitor..

Egypt ships in help to Ottoman Empire during Balkan wars

Egypt Red Crescent in Edirne

Egypt Red Crescent in Istanbul

Egypt Red Crescent Hospital in Istanbul

Egypt Red Crescent help refugees in Istanbul

Egyptian military students in Ankara in Turkish Independence War

 

[Majnun]

Not in WWI they didn't. But I wouldn't say Saudi clan liked Ottomans that much as they fought each other numerous times in 19th century. Some of the Saudi leaders also brought to Istanbul for public executions. There is still an enmity in SA towards Ottomans because of that.

Yeah around the beginning of the 19th century the Saudis fought against the Turks and took control of the Hijaz.

 

[forummurat]

Ottomans and Saudis fought many battles and Ottomans were the victorious ones in those clashes. However, as Mosamania simply put, it was Hashamite Kingdom who betrayed Ottomans, not Saudis. Probably not related to this but Palestinians also fought against Ottomans, whereas substantial amount of Syrian fighters fought against Allied invading powers with Ottomans resisting forces.

The sins does not pass from father to son through the blood..
If there is exist some defective humans in the history this is not meant that their sons also a sinner..!

Don't revive hostilities in history..
NOW THE TIME FOR UNITY

"That was a nation which has passed on. It will have [the consequence of] what it earned, and you will have what you have earned. And you will not be asked about what they used to do." Bakarah 134

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided."
'Āli `Imrān 103

 

[Mosamania]

May we an Turkey go hand and hand once again. I am proud to have Turkish blood in my viens as well as Arabic blood. My ancestors are a mix of almost all middle eastern nations. Turkey Yemeni Iraqi Egyptian and tribal Arab. May all these nation become one country once again.

 

[Mosamania]

Here is an info that I think people will fond interesting. As a person from Hijaz and born from Makkah specially. We have all people from all around the Muslim world living here together. Each Makkan you will find has abundant of ancestry in their blood. That is why the concept of racism is mostly foreign to me that until I got here and everyone likes to make it extremely clear that I am an Arab and an Arab only.

 

[asad71]

During the Ottoman Caliphate the citizens were identified as the Muslims and the Non-Muslims. In the official records there was no separate distinction as a Turk, Egyptian, Arab, etc. That is why it is very difficult for modern researchers to ascertain a demographic break-up of the Ottoman empire.

 

[RayKalm]

Most of the Turks don't hate Arabs. Some do, but not all (i don't, my best friends are Egyptian). There are mountains of difference between the Arabs. Here in Denmark, many Palestinians act like mini-terrorists (no job, no education just bothering/destroying their left and right for amusement). But Egyptians i have met are extremely respectful and classy people. They have high education, good jobs etc. I guess their lifestyle is in a perpetual evil cycle, which they can't break out of (for some reason i don't understand). When Turks came to Denmark, they also had very low education, but even though they had very low education they were the ones with highest job rate among minorities in Denmark. Today, 2. generation Turks are becoming model citizens (low crime-rate, very high-education rate etc) while Palestinian Arabs and Iraqi Kurds still stuck with the evil cycle.

Many of my Turk friends seem to have a grudge against Arabs, but I'm not basing their opinions on all Turks.

Though.. these same friends always listen to Arab music, hypocritically. What's with that?

Nancy Arjam anyone?

Nancy Ajram - Mashy Haddy /

 

[Deno]

Whats with this thread... Who cares what happened 100 years ago... Some people can hold grudge but I believe most of the people here aren't that illogical enough to care what happened 100 years ago...

Oh and for people who talks about how Ottomans were betrayed by Arabs should also know that most of the Committee of Union and Progress ''İttihat ve Terraki'' generals were named as butchers among Arabian people for their massaceres of Arabs... Ottomans were not the angels who were betrayed by evil Arabs... If they weren't that harsh on Arabs then Arabs wouldn't betrayed them either.

And for people who tried to bash KSA, I think most of you have forgotten that, KSA send 1.5 billion dollars worth of oil and 1 billion dollars cash to Turkey in Cyprus Peace Operation or maybe they have forgotten that KSA was the at top of the list in aid to Pakistan Floods andthey have forgotten that Saudi women send their jewelry for Pakistani people...

So, If I am to talk for myself, I can say I don't give a rat a+rse about what happened 100 years ago... but if you want to gve yourselfs a headache for something this insignificant then its your choice I guess...

 

[what]

Many of my Turk friends seem to have a grudge against Arabs, but I'm not basing their opinions on all Turks.

Before anyone claims otherwise, not only "kafir", zionist, atheist, kemalist or secularist Turks have these feelings against Arabs. Our grudge is based on history, as some already stated because of what happened at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but also because (if we're so close culturally and religiously) of our experience in maybe the last ten years.

I dont want to start a e-fight here but as a matter of fact when ever Turkey had a earthquake for example we received aid from many countries (Israel is btw one of the first responding countries each time, even Armenia was one of the fastest responding countries during th Van-eartquake) but yet most Arab countries respond slow or not at all. In times like the Van-earthquake everyone puts his hate by side and helps as much as he can and I expect more from especially the oil rich Arab countries.



Also Mosamania, I cant understand why for example the Saudi government/kings are pouring more money in western countries then they do in Turkey or other Muslim countries, why?

 

[Deno]

Before anyone claims otherwise, not only "kafir", zionist, atheist, kemalist or secularist Turks have these feelings against Arabs. Our grudge is based on history, as some already stated because of what happened at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but also because (if we're so close culturally and religiously) of our experience in maybe the last ten years.

I dont want to start a e-fight here but as a matter of fact when ever Turkey had a earthquake for example we received aid from many countries (Israel is btw one of the first responding countries each time, even Armenia was one of the fastest responding countries during th Van-eartquake) but yet most Arab countries respond slow or not at all. In times like the Van-earthquake everyone puts his hate by side and helps as much as he can and I expect more from especially the oil rich Arab countries.



Also Mosamania, I cant understand why for example the Saudi government/kings are pouring more money in western countries then they do in Turkey or other Muslim countries, why?

ECONOMY - Saudi Arabia foresees $600 bln of investment in Turkey


Saudi Arabia foresees $600 bln of investment in Turkey

LONDON – Bloomberg | 4/27/2011 12:00:00 AM |

Saudi Arabia foresees making investments of $600 billion in Turkey during the next 20 years, according to the chairman of the largest Saudi lender.

Saudi Arabia foresees making investments of $600 billion in Turkey during the next 20 years, according to Abdul Kareem Abu al-Nasr, the chairman of National Commercial Bank, the largest Saudi lender.

Investment in Turkey’s agriculture and manufacturing is set to increase, Abu al-Nasr said Wednesday in a presentation that was delivered in Turkey, a copy of which has been obtained by Bloomberg News.

“In the agriculture space, Turkey emerged as one of the top recipients of Saudi investment, as the kingdom seeks to boost its food security,” he said in the document.

Planet Food World will invest $3 billion in Turkish agriculture in the next five years, with the aim of exporting food products to the Gulf region, he added.

The strength of Turkey’s agriculture enabled exports of farm products to Saudi Arabia to increase from $90 million in 2008 to $144 million in 2009, according to Abu al-Nasr.

 

[W.11]

king saud likes mcdonalds, he will not destroy mcdonalds

 

[what]

ECONOMY - Saudi Arabia foresees $600 bln of investment in Turkey


Saudi Arabia foresees $600 bln of investment in Turkey

That's 30 bln a year, sure. We received 15 bln FDI in 2011 all together and 2011 was a good year. Now do you really believe that the Saudis will (they can, for sure) invest more then the double FDI we received in an excellent year each year, for 20 years?

 

[Deno]

That's 30 bln a year, sure. We received 15 bln FDI in 2011 all together and 2011 was a good year. Now do you really believe that the Saudis will (they can, for sure) invest more then the double FDI we received in an excellent year each year, for 20 years?

Mutual investments by Turkey and Saudi Arabia already passed 75 billion dollars... It is not very hard for Saudi Arabia to invest in Turkey with 12 digit numbers. They have +100.000.000.000$ trade surplus every year and it will grow with sanctions on Iran and Irans refusal to sell crude oil to French and British oil componies and their threat to not to sell any crude oil to EU...

Edit: Saudi Arabia only need to invest less than %20 of their profits in Turkey... Even if that number would not reach its predication, it will surely reach more than 200-300blb US$.