Ospreys + tankers put Iran in Israel's reach

[Battle of Kursk]

Iran has as many as 80 nuclear-related sites. That's why I'm saying it's impossible that Israel will do it on its own. The only one who's capable of taking these sites is the US.

There is no need to destroy every single one of them. During WW2 the allies only hit one part of the Nazi nuclear program but that discouraged the Nazis from going on (heavy water plant).

It is not at all as trivial to rebuild infrastructure that cost billions as some people here would make you believe.
Iran is under sever sanctions at the moment, some of the components they needed have gotten through the sanction through subvert operations, they would have to do something similar again, but this time the world is watching much more closely.
Iran will have to spend additional billions on rebuilding the facilities and the machines, all the while their economy is in dire straights the local currency is falling against the dollar and people becoming poorer. All the while being weighted down by the possibility of follow up strikes by either Israel the US or even gulf countries.
Their population is not stupid they would realize the cost of rebuilding the destroyed facilities and that it will be an additional load on their back economically, it is not obvious that they will not object...

So the question boils down to can Israel really strike a good number of vital facilities in Iran?
The problem with this question that none here can say what's the answer, invalidating the rest of the argument to a point.

Anyone that says that Israel cannot deploy troops on the ground in Iran is either not aware of historical facts or is actively deluding himself.

Israel deployed large forces in Uganda (enemy state at the time) via a scrambled airlift in the 70'. The distance to Uganda is about 3400 km the distance to Iran is in the range of 1300 to 2700 km.
The problem is to deploy enough forces who cannot be reinforced and work out a way to evacuate them. It comes down to tactics somewhat, which we cannot discuss anyway here.
If forced to give some kind of answer I'd say that I don't believe that Israel will use overt ground forces to destroy Fordow, there are other facilities though.

After the Osiraq reactor was bombed Israel was condemned world wide, including by the USA. The New York Times wrote (paraphrasing) "The action was violent and unjustified which will only lead to short term gains"

Sounds familiar? The nuclear program was never restarted.

The US had all the above and more before 2001 and yet failure in afghanistan was always inevitable.
My good friend, war is a lot more complex then just Weapon x vs weapon y.

There is no place for comparison here, no one is suggesting to conquer Iran and occupy it. If you want to have meaningful comparisons you can compare to shock and awe for example, or praying mantis.

 

[Battle of Kursk]

Why do you think you are special?
Why do you think you should have the bomb and others shouldn't?

I don't think we are special. I have no problem with others having the bomb in general.
I do have a problem with a regime that has threatened my country having the bomb.
I have a problem with a regime that fund, trainד and supplies weapons to my enemies Hezballah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad having the bomb.

I would prefer less nuclear weapons in the world in general, but I would not have a problem with Indonesia, Malesya, Kirghistan, Azerbaijan or Turkey having the bomb. for example.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

How would fast moving jets keep up with a flying turtle,sacrifice their speed and surprise advantage to provide cover,jamming and wait for it to refuel, both ways over a 4000km long stretch....Iranian Special forces guard the facilities in large numbers, any tip off will lead to a disaster....no?

A long range stealth operation with a ground force component such as is being discussed here is going to be very complex, but it can be planned from a logistics point of view even with a mix of flying turtles and hares, plus a few other creatures.

The real deterrents are political.

 

[gambit]

V22 Osprey Crash - YouTube

In January 2013 a bucket fell from a V-22 Osprey while it flew over San Diego, California. It fell on a motor repair shop causing minor damage.November 2007 An MV-22 Osprey of VMMT-204 caught fire during a training mission and was forced to make an emergency landing at Camp Lejeune on 6 November 2007. The fire, which started in one of the engine nacelles, caused significant aircraft damage.A V-22 experienced a hydraulic leak that led to an engine-compartment fire before takeoff on 29 March 2007.The Air Force and Marine Corps commands temporarily grounded their entire fleet on 10 February 2007 after discovering a glitch in a computer chip that could cause the aircraft to lose control.

Show me another country with the exact same kind of aircraft before you start criticizing US for being pioneers.

 

[asad71]

1.Iran is not Uganda. Israel - USA should not forget the 1980 bloody nose in the raid ordered by Carter.

2. And the world has come to see through all the Zionist media rap making their soldiers invincible. The Jewish soldier in reality is soft and cowardly. The technological advantage can only take them so far.

 

[Manindra]

1.Iran is not Uganda. Israel - USA should not forget the 1980 bloody nose in the raid ordered by Carter.

2. And the world has come to see through all the Zionist media rap making their soldiers invincible. The Jewish soldier in reality is soft and cowardly. The technological advantage can only take them so far.

You are Professional of this forum and say those word without logic. How do you justify your words in context of first & second Israel-Arab war where jews outnumbered heavily by arabs without technological advantage but they hammered their opponents brutually.

 

[Battle of Kursk]

@asad71

1.Iran is not Uganda. Israel - USA should not forget the 1980 bloody nose in the raid ordered by Carter.

Well you're right Iran is no Uganda, but it isn't the 70's any more either.
The failure of USA in that raid was 0% due to Iran and 100% because of planning and execution failings.
The operation has failed before encountering a single Iranian soldier. So giving the credit for the failure to Iran is not wise.

As for the rest, believe whatever you like

 

[Mugwop]

Show me another country with the exact same kind of aircraft before you start criticizing US for being pioneers.

I am not criticizing the US. I am just talking about V-22 ospreys. Even some don't like V-22 ospreys.

 

[Cheetah786]

They wont do a thing, they were coordinating with the same iranins during the Iran Iraq war, they coordinated the attacks on orrisa. And they keep threatening the iranians, and keep killing everyone around them who is the enemy of IRan. So is the case with Iran as well, all threats somewhere. Action somewhere else.

Yeah thats why Israeli used Saudi Arabian air space to attack Iraq.

@asad71



Well you're right Iran is no Uganda, but it isn't the 70's any more either.
The failure of USA in that raid was 0% due to Iran and 100% because of planning and execution failings.
The operation has failed before encountering a single Iranian soldier. So giving the credit for the failure to Iran is not wise.

As for the rest, believe whatever you like

believe whatever you like

 

[Aslan]

Yeah thats why Israeli used Saudi Arabian air space to attack Iraq.



believe whatever you like

And Jordanian, air space too. But still it dont change the fact that the iranians too have been collaborating with them. Jaani 2 wrongs are not 2 negatives that will make a positive.