Ospreys + tankers put Iran in Israel's reach

[Kompromat]

Interesting, maybe the Israelis are waiting for the F-35s to conduct a bunch of airstrikes. I don't believe that they're gonna put some boots on the ground.

What are your thoughts @JEskandari on that? Do you think the Israelis will manage to deploy troops?

On how many sites....especially those separated by 800 miles away?

 

[JonAsad]

Cant understand why US did not used Ospreys when hunting for binladin inside Pakistan-

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

On how many sites....especially those separated by 800 miles away?

Iran has as many as 80 nuclear-related sites. That's why I'm saying it's impossible that Israel will do it on its own. The only one who's capable of taking these sites is the US.

The only outcome Israel can achieve is to dely the program for 18 months maximum. So yeah it's a mission impossible for the Israelis to take the entire nuclear infrastructure.

Cant understand why US did not used Ospreys when hunting for binladin inside Pakistan-

Their navy seals team 6 never operated Ospreys. Aside, I think they needed stealthy helicopters, but I'm not quite sure though.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

With the B2 bombers and the F-22s, and maybe the F35s everything is possible yoo.

All BS and words.

Israel wont move an inch before US does.
And wont commit unless the US leads the way.

 

[Kompromat]

@Yzd Khalifa

Would Jordan and Saudi arabia allow Israel to use their air space?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Interesting, maybe the Israelis are waiting for the F-35s to conduct a bunch of airstrikes. I don't believe that they're gonna put some boots on the ground.

What are your thoughts @JEskandari on that? Do you think the Israelis will manage to deploy troops?

well , if they want to go to Fordow , they must beware that Fordow is wall to wall with a big IRGC Barrack , they must field enough troop so they can defend themselves against several thousand IRGC troop also there are several more military site around it .

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Yzd Khalifa

Would Jordan and Saudi arabia allow Israel to use their air space?

I'm not quite sure about KSA tbqh. But Jordan had signed aplenty of security agreements, as Jordan had normalized its relation with Israel decades ago I would assume they might do it.

 

[Saleem]

U.S. Ospreys and air tankers put Iran in Israel's reach

Oren Dorell, USA TODAY 4:42 p.m. EDT June 27, 2013

The United States plans to give Israel weapons that would enable it to send ground forces against Iranian nuclear facilities that it can't penetrate from the air.

The deal includes air-refueling aircraft, advanced radars for F-15 fighter jets, and up to eight V-22 Ospreys, an aircraft that can land like a helicopter and carry two dozen special operations forces with their gear over long distances at aircraft speeds.

The Osprey "is the ideal platform for sending Israeli special forces into Iran," says Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA analyst now at the Brookings Institution's Saban Center for Middle East Policy.

The aircraft could help solve Israel's inability to breach Iran's uranium enrichment facility buried under a granite mountain at Fordow. It might be impregnable to even the heaviest conventional bunker-busting munitions in the U.S. arsenal, Pollack said. Israeli military planners have been brainstorming how to conduct an effective operation, Pollack said, citing conversations with senior Israeli military officers.

"One of the possibilities is (Israel) would use special forces to assault the Fordow facility and blow it up," Pollack said.

The weapons deal would be part of a military aid package for Israel that includes $1 billion for up to eight V-22 tilt-rotors; $500 million to retrofit radars into F-15 fighters and another $1 billion for a variety of air-to-ground weapons. Additional details about the U.S.-financed deal were revealed during a visit to Washington by Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon on June 15.

The State Department said discussions of the arms deal are ongoing.

Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday had a working dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem and will visit with Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian officials through Saturday, discussing broad regional issues and the peace process.

Jonathan Schanzer, executive director of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, said the arms package was part of an Israeli wish list including some items that were not discussed publicly to help it keep a military edge over other nations in the region and for possible operations against Iran.

Israel's air force would be hard-pressed to cause lasting damage to the Iranian nuclear program because it cannot sustain long-term bombardment and has limited bunker-busting capabilities and limited air-refueling capabilities, said Kenneth Katzman, who co-wrote the 2012 report "Israel: Possible military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities" for the Congressional Research Service.

When he first announced the deal during a visit to Israel in April, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the Ospreys would provide Israel with high-speed maritime search-and rescue-capabilities.

Yaalon said the arms sale would send a message to Israel's chief adversary in the region.

U.S. Ospreys and air tankers put Iran in Israel's reach

now they just have to wait for the X-wing fighters to come on line and then the battle star is all ready for the campaign to conquer the universe.....

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

well , if they want to go to Fordow , they must beware that Fordow is wall to wall with a big IRGC Barrack , they must field enough troop so they can defend themselves against several thousand IRGC troop also there are several more military site around it .

So, are you suggesting that it's impossible for them to deploy troops? What about launching airstrikes? Do you think that there will be consequences for airstrikes?

I suspect the Israelis will take actions against Iran unilaterally.

 

[Jungibaaz]

With the B2 bombers and the F-22s, and maybe the F35s everything is possible yoo.

The US had all the above and more before 2001 and yet failure in afghanistan was always inevitable.
My good friend, war is a lot more complex then just Weapon x vs weapon y.

And I tell you that today, if Israel had 1 squadron of raptors and a few B-2 bombers as well as planned F-35.
It WILL NOT strike unless the US leads and commits. You can write that down and take it as a fact.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

The US had all the above and more before 2001 and yet failure in afghanistan was always inevitable.
My good friend, war is a lot more complex then just Weapon x vs weapon y.

And I tell you that today, if Israel had 1 squadron of raptors and a few B-2 bombers as well as planned F-35.
It WILL NOT strike unless the US leads and commits. You can write that down and take it as a fact.

Understood. But the US failure in Afghanistan was because of the Taliban, and Yes, I understand what you're trying to point out Sir let's just wait and see what's going to happen.

 

[MilSpec]

The US had all the above and more before 2001 and yet failure in afghanistan was always inevitable.
My good friend, war is a lot more complex then just Weapon x vs weapon y.

And I tell you that today, if Israel had 1 squadron of raptors and a few B-2 bombers as well as planned F-35.
It WILL NOT strike unless the US leads and commits. You can write that down and take it as a fact.

All though off topic here, but we really need to explore the objectives of war in modern days, Is it really occupying a territory, browbeating the opposition into retreat, or just sustaining the largest military indutrial complex at the expense of debt for the rest of the world.

 

[Jungibaaz]

just sustaining the largest military indutrial complex at the expense of debt for the rest of the world.

Well spotted.

And that ladies and gentlemen is the main reason for all that you've seen in this war on terror.
Truth be told, War on terror could have been ended in a few weeks with a few special ops or even a few policemen.

 

[MilSpec]

Well spotted.

And that ladies and gentlemen is the main reason for all that you've seen in this war on terror.
Truth be told, War on terror could have been ended in a few weeks with a few special ops or even a few policemen.

war on terror by nature is one of the most lucrative war, the opposition is defined by your worst nightmare, hence the possibilities are immense, research for bio-chem dirty bombs, omeland defense, better funding for toppling hostile governments, better combat weapons, more drones. All you need to feed the war on terror is imagination and you could rope in middle east, south east asia, central asia, south america.... there is no end to this hence it is the most profitable war. although not a real one.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So, are you suggesting that it's impossible for them to deploy troops? What about launching airstrikes? Do you think that there will be consequences for airstrikes?

I suspect the Israelis will take actions against Iran unilaterally.

Fordow is pretty much secured from Air strike , to be honest I believe brute force don't work against that site. if any body want to attack that site they must use hundreds and hundreds of big Bunker busters and somebody want to attack it by force they need at least thousands of force or they must somehow neutralize tens of thousand of troops who are stationed around it