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is india a secular democracy ? no it isnt so stop pulling articles right from your buttt here.... india is a fascist country far worse than that of hitler, facts are facts boyyhhhh

Well India is certainly a secular country.Probably you were sleeping through your political science class.Secularism means that "there is no state religion" and state would not favour one religion over the other.

Secularism Defined

What is secularism? Secularism as a modern political and constitutional principle involves two basic propositions. The first is that people belonging to different faiths and sections of society are equal before the law, the Constitution and government policy. The second requirement is that there can be no mixing up of religion and politics. It follows therefore that there can be no discrimination against anyone on the basis of religion or faith nor is there room for the hegemony of one religion or majoritarian religious sentiments and aspirations. It is in this double sense--no discrimination against anyone on grounds of faith and separation of religion from politics--that our Constitution safeguards secularism, however imperfectly.

These political principles imply also the acceptance of a somewhat more general principle: that the realm of validity of religion in the public arena and society is necessarily limited. Religion, being above all a matter of personal faith, cannot be used as the basis of settling questions of the real world, or of man in society. While individuals in society may base their values on particular religious tenets, where such questions impinge on society as a whole the basis of discussion and social consensus cannot be religion--much less one particular religion. This larger principle does not conflict with the historical fact that certain values in a society may have their foundation in religion; these values are re-examined in a rational and humane spirit before they are accepted as the values that govern the functioning of a modern society, and new values indeed are created which are necessary for modern times.

Despite the weaknesses of actual practice, elements of this understanding of secularism have been an essential part of the accepted political values of modern Indian society, leading, for instance, to the rejection of untouchability and sati, to the formal rejection of caste, and to the institution of affirmative action as a means of redressing socio-economic inequalities. It is this larger principle that is sought to be challenged today by Hindutva; defending it lies, I believe, at the heart of the struggle against fundamentalism and communalism.

Preamble of Indian constitution

WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.

Constitution of India - Wikisource

And there is an equal right provided to people of country to practise their religion.

Article 25 {Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion}

Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion.

Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law -
1.regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice;

2.providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu reli- gious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus.

[Explanation I: The wearing and carrying of kirpans shall be deemed to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion.]

[Explanation II: In sub-Clause (b) of clause (2), the reference to Hindus shall be construed as including a reference to persons professing the Sikh, Jaina or Buddhist religion, and the reference to Hindu religious institutions shall be construed accord

Article 26 {Freedom to manage religious affairs}

Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right -

1.to establish and maintain institutions for religious and charitable purposes;

2.to manage its own affairs in matters of religion;

3.to own and acquire movable and immovable property; and

4.to administer such property in accordance with law.

Article 27 {Freedom as to payment of taxes for promotion of any particular religion}

No person shall be compelled to pay any taxes, the proceeds of which are specifically appropriated in payment of expenses for the promotion or maintenance of any particular religion or religious denomination.

Article 28 {Freedom as to attendance at religious instruction or religious worship in certain educational institutions}

No religious instruction shall be provided in any educational institution wholly maintained out of State funds.
Nothing in clause (1) shall apply to an educational institution which is administered by the State but has been established under any endowment or trust which requires that religious instruction shall be imparted in such institution.

No person attending any educational institution recognised by the State or receiving aid out of State funds shall be required to take part in any religious instruction that may be imparted in such institution or to attend any religious worship that may be conducted in such institution or in any premises attached thereto unless such person or, if such person is minor, his guardian has given his consent thereto

Constitution of India/Part III - Wikisource

And some extra rights is provided to minorities
Article 29 {Protection of interests of minorities}

Any section of the citizens residing in the territory of India or any part thereof having a distinct language, script or culture of its own shall have the right to conserve the same.
No citizen shall be denied admission into any educational institution maintained by the State or receiving aid out of State funds on grounds only of religion, race, caste, language or any of them.

Article 30 {Right of minorities to establish and administer educational institutions}

All minorities, whether based on religion or language, shall have the right to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice.

1A. In making any law providing for the compulsory acquisition of any property of an educational institution established and administered by a minority, referred to in clause (1), the State shall ensure that the amount fixed by or determined under such law for the acquisition of such property is such as would not restrict or abrogate the right guaranteed under that clause.
 
banning consumption of beef and sending people to prison for 10 years just for eating beef & arresting people on mere suspicion of eating beef, thts defines secular democracy :rofl: what a great secular democracy India is :rofl:



lol did i drag saudi arabia in my topic ? :rofl:
I hope this not your idea to troll, yes there are laws in India which may seem outsider like you to be oppressing but there is a reason for it i explained you before kindly read my post again

sir you are mixing Western secularism with Indian secularism Indian seularism is more sensitive to peoples belief. Let's talk about satanic verses hurting muslim sentiment or for the matter Da vinci code hurting christian sentiment not banned in west but both are banned in India.

Secularism means sepration of state from religious body and no discrimination on basis of religion, but that doesn't mean you can hurt religious sentiment here in India.

There is a reason for this a state like India which is highly diverse cannot function if there is intolerance among it's community. Check's and balance's are necessary to keep the union united.
Personally for me i do not mind if citizen of my country what to indulge in beef but in certain place you have to take care of cultural sensitivity.

Imagine if there is resentment among community's what will happen India would break up like Yugoslavia .
 
good point, what religious scriptures ban consumption of beef?

None,

similarly as no scripture bans satanic verses and da vinci code.

They are banned because them may offend some people and it may create a law and order problem.
 
I hope this not your idea to troll, yes there are laws in India which may seem outsider like you to be oppressing but there is a reason for it i explained you before kindly read my post again

hermit the topic is here India & its draconian laws to ban beef, hurting millions of protien intake of minorities, lets stick to it if you really want to debate, if you really wish to wonder from the topic i can very well debate from my back side u know.

None,

similarly as no scripture bans satanic verses and da vinci code.

They are banned because them may offend some people and it may create a law and order problem.

they are banned cuz they show religions in bad light, now how is eating beef showing a hinduism in bad light ? it would be interesting to see what are those sentiments which are hurt and what is the base of those sentiments ? i have read hinduism does not really ban beef, if beef can be banned cuz cow is treated as god, then same should good to pig which is avatar of vishnu ?
 
Pork is widely consumed all over India. My Muslim friend does not have any inhibition taking it. I think, those who liked the taste of pork meat, cannot be stopped from taking it.
Yes, Beef Fry is awesome. but not infront of fanatic or religious Hindus who gets offended when they revere Cow, it is wrong.
I believe, few islamists students hands are the reason for this.

I hope Non-Vegeteranism grow in states like Gujarat and Hindus and Muslims sit together enjoying Beef cutlets.:devil:

There were no Islamic students involved.
 
hermit the topic is here India & its draconian laws to ban beef, hurting millions of protien intake of minorities, lets stick to it if you really want to debate, if you really wish to wonder from the topic i can very well debate from my back side u know.



they are banned cuz they show religions in bad light, now how is eating beef showing a hinduism in bad light ?

drawing prophet does not show islam in bad light..
 
ill tell you how a indians think ? ohh they had a beef festival in hyderabad, did they ? yes they did? what govt is ruling hyderabad -? congress, these muslim appeasing congress goons, we need a strong leader lets vote for BJP govt & ban beef there.

exactly one more reason for not being part of India..thanks you Jinnah!
 
good point, what religious scriptures ban consumption of beef? so you agree you are far more fanatics than islam,

we both agree Hinduism & Islam are threat to world peace.
Do you know atheism is one of the six school of thoughts in Hinduism, when you are talking about Hinduism you cant compare it with Christanity or Islam. These are organized religion but Hinduism is a collection of beliefs. You will find an Atheist Hindu, you will find a Hindu visting Church, Hindus believe Buddha to be one of the reincarnation of lord Vishnu , you also find Hindus visting graves of Muslim Sufi saints. So what is Hinduism it is not a religion mate it is a way of life and it is a collection of beliefs.

Kindly do not be of the perception that religion is a threat for world peace there are fringe elements or extremist who are bringing bad name to respective religions.

Tolerance mate with respect to each other's beliefs will bring world peace.
 
One of my friends is a Hindu but doesn't seem to mind when I eat a steak, is he a nonpracticing hindu or a hindu at all ?
 
hermit the topic is here India & its draconian laws to ban beef, hurting millions of protien intake of minorities, lets stick to it if you really want to debate, if you really wish to wonder from the topic i can very well debate from my back side u know.
That is exactly what you are doing right now, although I have my doubts about the "debate" part. You cannot differentiate between a simple fact like ban of cow slaughter vs ban on eating beef. Guess what is banned in some states in India.
LOL @ "draconian" laws. Do you understand the meaning of that particular word? Oh, btw, meat if NOT the only dietary protein source, just FYI.
 
Can you enlighten me as to what religion Dalits practice in India since they seems to have organised this.

They are Hindus, but don't like the domination of upper caste slobs and 'professional' Hindus. They eat everything.
 
That is exactly what you are doing right now. You cannot differentiate between a simple fact like ban of cow slaughter vs ban on eating beef. Guess what is banned in some states in India.
LOL @ "draconian" laws. Do you understand the meaning of that particular word? Oh, btw, meat if NOT the only dietary protein source, just FYI.

Yes i do & banning beef is a Draconian Law & sending to prison for 10 years for eating beef is far worse than a Draconian law.

you have no right to define what people want to eat & what they shoudnt you can only advice them, not enforce by prisoning them for 10 years, Yes i stand by my assertion India is a Facist country & a threat to whole world.
 
One of my friends is a Hindu but doesn't seem to mind when I eat a steak, is he a nonpracticing hindu or a hindu at all ?

Hindus are't strict about not eating beef. Most don't but some do. But beef is usually used to offend Hindus historically. even during Goan inquisition, Hindus were made outcastes by the missionaries smearing beef on their faces .
 
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