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There may be some truth to this. The Arab Revolution, fueled by nationalism not religious extremism, pose a problem for the sidelined Al Qaeda and its parent, the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood. Their failure to be at the forefront of revolution must be seen by them as a failure of leadership. Do they now return as terrorists or as democrats? Disaffected members could have contacted the Americans. It is speculated that this is how Zarqawi 's location was revealed when he was killed in Iraq five years ago.Hmm.. another twist.
Rift with Zawahiri led to Bin Laden killing: Saudi paper The Express Tribune
US troops were led to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden by his own deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, because of a simmering internal power struggle, a Saudi newspaper reported on Thursday.
Al-Watan newspaper, quoting an unnamed regional source, said the top two al Qaeda men had differences and that a courier who led US forces to bin Laden was working for Zawahiri.
The courier was a Pakistan national and not a Kuwaiti as the US suspected, Al-Watan said. The man knew he was being followed by the US military but disguised the fact.
The Egyptian faction of al Qaeda is defacto running the organisation now and since he was taken ill in 2004 they have been trying to take full control, according to the paper.
It said Zawahiris faction had persuaded Bin Laden to leave tribal areas along the Afghan-Pakistan border and take shelter instead in Abbottabad near Islamabad where he was finally killed by US commandos on Monday.
With the return of an Egyptian figure in al Qaeda, Saif al-Adel, last autumn from Iran, the Egyptian faction had hatched a plan to dispose of Saudi-born bin Laden, according to Al-Watan.
Look at these lies:
Osama dead. War on Terror over. Now what forward for Pakistan? Will our Army chief order to shot down any more drones come inside Pakistan? Can he stop American illegal invasion? Can he do that rather than ordering inquiry and condemnations.
A clip from a Bollywood movie put the whole scenario very nicely. (Facebook video)
''We will leave yours as soon as you leave ours''
(Reuters) - Pakistan's Washington lobbyists have launched an intense campaign on Capitol Hill to counter accusations that Islamabad was complicit in giving refuge to Osama bin Laden.
Alarmed by lawmakers' demands to cut off billions of dollars of U.S. aid after bin Laden was found living in a Pakistani safe house for six years, President Asif Ali Zardari has ordered a full-court press to quell mounting accusations that it helped the al Qaeda leader avoid capture.
Mark Siegel, a partner in the Washington lobbying firm of Locke Lord Strategies -- which is paid $75,000 a month by the Pakistani government -- told Reuters on Thursday he had spoken twice to Zardari since U.S. special forces killed bin Laden on Sunday, and "countless" times to the Pakistani ambassador in Washington.
"They are certainly concerned," Siegel said, adding that suggestions the Pakistani government knew about bin Laden's whereabouts was nothing more than speculation.
Referring to a statement by President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, that there must have been a support system for bin Laden inside Pakistan, Siegel said: "There is no proof that a support system was government-based."
There is much at stake for Pakistan as many lawmakers question how bin Laden could have lived in a large fortified compound close to a Pakistani military base for so long.
Some members of Congress are now demanding that nearly $3 billion in annual aid for Pakistan, included in Obama's 2012 budget, be blocked until the Zardari administration explains how bin Laden lived untouched just 30 miles outside Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. Pakistan has received over $20 billion in U.S. aid since the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Patrick Leahy, the Democratic chairman of the Senate subcommittee that allocates foreign aid, said on Thursday he wants a complete review of U.S. aid to Pakistan.
Leahy said he was certain that some Pakistani military and intelligence officials knew that bin Laden was hiding so close to Islamabad.
"It's impossible for them not to have some idea he was there," Leahy told Vermont Public Radio.
But Siegel, referring to claims by the Afghan government that Pakistan must have known bin Laden's whereabouts, said: "Must have known doesn't mean knew."
Siegel's firm was retained by the Zardari government in 2008 and has earned nearly $2 million in fees since then, according to Justice Department records. Siegel said his firm is paid $900,000 a year by Pakistan.
Since bin Laden's death, Siegel says he has been on Capitol Hill every day to promote Pakistan's position on the bin Laden killing, talking to congressmen, senators and their aides.
(Reuters) - Pakistan's Washington lobbyists have launched an intense campaign on Capitol Hill to counter accusations that Islamabad was complicit in giving refuge to Osama bin Laden.
Alarmed by lawmakers' demands to cut off billions of dollars of U.S. aid after bin Laden was found living in a Pakistani safe house for six years, President Asif Ali Zardari has ordered a full-court press to quell mounting accusations that it helped the al Qaeda leader avoid capture.
Mark Siegel, a partner in the Washington lobbying firm of Locke Lord Strategies -- which is paid $75,000 a month by the Pakistani government -- told Reuters on Thursday he had spoken twice to Zardari since U.S. special forces killed bin Laden on Sunday, and "countless" times to the Pakistani ambassador in Washington.
"They are certainly concerned," Siegel said, adding that suggestions the Pakistani government knew about bin Laden's whereabouts was nothing more than speculation.
Referring to a statement by President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, that there must have been a support system for bin Laden inside Pakistan, Siegel said: "There is no proof that a support system was government-based."
There is much at stake for Pakistan as many lawmakers question how bin Laden could have lived in a large fortified compound close to a Pakistani military base for so long.
Some members of Congress are now demanding that nearly $3 billion in annual aid for Pakistan, included in Obama's 2012 budget, be blocked until the Zardari administration explains how bin Laden lived untouched just 30 miles outside Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. Pakistan has received over $20 billion in U.S. aid since the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Patrick Leahy, the Democratic chairman of the Senate subcommittee that allocates foreign aid, said on Thursday he wants a complete review of U.S. aid to Pakistan.
Leahy said he was certain that some Pakistani military and intelligence officials knew that bin Laden was hiding so close to Islamabad.
"It's impossible for them not to have some idea he was there," Leahy told Vermont Public Radio.
But Siegel, referring to claims by the Afghan government that Pakistan must have known bin Laden's whereabouts, said: "Must have known doesn't mean knew."
Siegel's firm was retained by the Zardari government in 2008 and has earned nearly $2 million in fees since then, according to Justice Department records. Siegel said his firm is paid $900,000 a year by Pakistan.
Since bin Laden's death, Siegel says he has been on Capitol Hill every day to promote Pakistan's position on the bin Laden killing, talking to congressmen, senators and their aides.
System analyst, did you say? Does speculation to the highest order is part of the job? OMG, I'm kinda speechless by the level of denial amongst the highly educated ones. What's your take on the official statements that are coming out of Pakistan? What's your take on the people mourning Osama's death on Pakistan's street? What's your take on those lawers presenting Mumtaz Qadri with garlands? Is that how you think Pakistan will prosper or you agree that Pakistan needs to do things differently in order to rise from the ruins? Since you are in UK, do you even realize what kind of ruins we are taking about?
What's wrong with the stands being taken by the likes of T-Faz & others. It is time to revamp a lot of things in Pakistan including the absolute power (read God like) that the PA & ISI enjoys. But, most importantly, it is more then high time to try (I say try) to eradicate the religious radicalism from the heart and mind of the Pakistanis.
P.S.: To all posters, Please don't bring in Indias poor and toilets and cow piss here. We know we have lot of deficiency ourselves and there is lots of room to improve ourselves too. But that's some discussion for some other threads, not this.
Sir, the time has come to pick who you side with in this war. Clearly, your double games are not working.When you try to please everyone you please no one.
Sir, by issuing statements like Kayani has said that more raids like the one in Abbottabad would not be tolerated, You fool no one, so please stop making these ridiculous statements.....you give the impression of a clown, more than that of a General.You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
I haven't posted in a while... I have a difficult time dealing with the wild conspiracies that inevitably evolve, especially with momentous news like this.
On penetration of Pakistani airspace I posted this on another forum, and I think it's applicable:
And now we have the news that a stealthy chopper was used.
Disposal of the body - the U.S. is in a no-win situation.
Keep the corpse, display it, allow everyone (including Muslim doctors) to inspect it...
"The U.S. is insulting Islam! They are abusing the body! He must be buried within 24 hours facing Mecca."
Dispose of the corpse by burial at sea...
"The whole thing was faked! Where's the proof? OBL is living in a suburb of Washington!"
Display gruesome death photos...
"They are mocking him! This is disrespectful!"
and of course, inevitably...
"It's a PHOTOSHOP!!"
I haven't the slightest doubt that they saved enough DNA for 1,000 tests. And there will be archived photos that may be conveniently leaked at some point, but apparently later rather than sooner.
On the hard questions for Pakistan: There will be a lot of noise for a period of time. The American perspective is that there are too may people in Pakistan sympathetic to OBL, which is why the op was not a joint effort. Evidence for this comes from the many rallies where US flags are burned and prayers said for this criminal.
But eventually cooperation will continue... there's too much to lose otherwise.
Is it a drama? A conspiracy? No. If OBL has been dead for years, his death would have been announced by Bush. If he is still alive, all it would take would be one videotape of him to make America look astoundingly foolish.
There is so much more to comment on, but this is already too long. I'm just glad he's dead.