Osama bin Laden’s death: Updates & Discussions

[architect_cobb]

1. YES: Even two non-identical, non-twin siblings can have 100% matching DNA.
2. YES: DNA is composed of mother and father's DNA, % of participation might be different.
3. YES: It can pinpoint children of a certain PAIR to 100% certainty.. but individually Unique DNA depends upon composition in every child..

Now you go READ!!!

No two humans are genetically identical. Even monozygotic (identical) twins, who develop from a single egg cell, have infrequent genetic differences due to mutations occurring during development. When cells divide, they each get an identical copy of the DNA from their parent cell. That is not always the case, and "mistakes" can occur. The genes in the new copy of DNA might have their parts added, rearranged, or even missing, which might result in physiological or psychological differences after birth. Now GO READ AGAIN!!!!

And about different facial features, I am sure his wife knows about features better than you do. So either deny his three wives and 18 kids one of whom was the witness of him being sent to hell or you accept that it was OBL.

 

[AAtish]

No two humans are genetically identical. Even monozygotic (identical) twins, who develop from a single egg cell, have infrequent genetic differences due to mutations occurring during development. When cells divide, they each get an identical copy of the DNA from their parent cell. That is not always the case, and "mistakes" can occur. The genes in the new copy of DNA might have their parts added, rearranged, or even missing, which might result in physiological or psychological differences after birth. Now GO READ AGAIN!!!!

And about different facial features, I am sure his wife knows about features better than you do. So either deny his three wives and 18 kids one of whom was the witness of him being sent to hell or you accept that it was OBL.

Can two people have same DNA?

Yes it can, and depending on the DNA sequencing technque and the ancestry of the peole involved it might be quite high.

Remember criminal DNA sequencing doesn't test the whole genome. It only tests a tiny fragment, less than 0.01%. It is estimated that the chances of even such a tiny fragment matching the worng person are less than 1 in a million, but studies over the past few years have indicated that certain populations, such as some Jewish groups, may have much higher chances of random matches.

Even at 1 in million that means thatin a major city like New York or Los Angeles there may be a dozen peole walking arund who match you perfectly.

In practice people don't get indicted or convicted on the basis of DNA alone. There has to be some other evidence linking them to the crime, even if only circumstancial. Aside from that the law in the US only requires level of proof beyond reasonable doubt. A doubt of less than one in a million is way below the reasonable level.

 

[architect_cobb]

yes people are not indicted or convicted on DNA alone cause one could place another individuals DNA at a crime scene. In this case its not a matter of conviction or indictment, its a matter of identification. And DNA is the best you can get do for identification. And not only did USA take OBL but left plenty of DNA evidence for Pakis to investigate as well.

So there goes your theory!!!!!

Again no two people can have the same DNA signature!!!!!!!

 

[AAtish]

yes people are not indicted or convicted on DNA alone cause one could place another individuals DNA at a crime scene. In this case its not a matter of conviction or indictment, its a matter of identification. And DNA is the best you can get do for identification. And not only did USA take OBL but left plenty of DNA evidence for Pakis to investigate as well.

So there goes your theory!!!!!

Again no two people can have the same DNA signature!!!!!!!

Please read my post again.. You missed this part i guess.. Intentionally?

Even at 1 in million that means that in a major city like New York or Los Angeles there may be a dozen peole walking arund who match you perfectly.

The bold part in your post is the best possible scenario.. They "left" DNA intentionally there.. maybe from one of his siblings.. but Taking body away is an exaggeration..

 

[architect_cobb]

Please read my post again.. You missed this part i guess.. Intentionally?

The bold part in your post is the best possible scenario.. They "left" DNA intentionally there.. maybe from one of his siblings.. but Taking body away is an exaggeration..

And were his wives bedding with one his siblings for the last five years and his kids assumed that one of his siblings was their father? Dude your theory is way too convoluted.

And since OBL was not from mars, a prominent family on the contrary. And all his siblings were documented. So which one of his siblings went missing recently? Or lost a ton of blood found at the site.

If one agrees with your theory his wives really sold their souls. WHICH WOULD DEFINITELY FIT A MAN LIKE HIM.

 

[AAtish]

And were his wives bedding with one his siblings for the last five years and his kids assumed that one of his siblings was their father? Dude your theory is way too convoluted.

And since OBL was not from mars, a prominent family on the contrary. And all his siblings were documented. So which one of his siblings went missing recently? Or lost a ton of blood found at the site.

If one agrees with your theory his wives really sold their souls. WHICH WOULD DEFINITELY FIT A MAN LIKE HIM.

Your post does not talk about DNA so basically you accepted what i was saying, that two siblings can have 100% identical DNA.. (still another question is, has anyone got any DNA sample of OBL himself?? IF not, then who do we match it with?)

There was not even one child below the age of 5 years, do you think that OBL had he been there, wouldn't had a child in 5 years? When there were 3 of his wives there? (He doesn't believe in contraceptions as you may know)

the second line of yours is pure SARCASM, many of his siblings are living in US.. and its very easy to bring one 24 hours earlier.. and losing ton of blood is not required.. the spilled blood was not more than 1 bottle..

The last line.. i would not respond.. it doesn't make any sense..

 

[architect_cobb]

Your post does not talk about DNA so basically you accepted what i was saying, that two siblings can have 100% identical DNA.. (still another question is, has anyone got any DNA sample of OBL himself?? IF not, then who do we match it with?)

There was not even one child below the age of 5 years, do you think that OBL had he been there, wouldn't had a child in 5 years? When there were 3 of his wives there? (He doesn't believe in contraceptions as you may know)

the second line of yours is pure SARCASM, many of his siblings are living in US.. and its very easy to bring one 24 hours earlier.. and losing ton of blood is not required.. the spilled blood was not more than 1 bottle..

The last line.. i would not respond.. it doesn't make any sense..

Haha that was in response to the circumstantial evidence. as far as the DNA is concerned, no two people even identical twins can have the same DNA. I have already posted the cellular mutation as the reason for that. In case you feel otherwise, post a credible source pointing otherwise.

And no nothing in ,y post is sarcasm. Either you deny those women has OBLs wives or flush your crappy theories down the toilet flush.

By the way what is your infatuation with OBL. One less b@stard in this world to get rid off. Better off without him. Aint it so?

 

[sur]

...He saw 5 of photos when he was ALIVE (Minutes:1:00+)... those 5 that this liar saw, let us see those....!!! They canNOT be grusome,,,

Abbottabad Neighbor Claims Bin Laden Raid Was Botched

Helicopter explosion killed numerous people involved in operation, Bashir tells Pakistani news channel

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, May 17, 2011

According to a close neighbor who watched the alleged US raid on Osama Bin Laden’s compound from his rooftop, the operation was almost immediately aborted because of a helicopter crash that killed several people, eyewitness testimony that completely contradicts the official narrative put out by the White House.

Mohammad Bashir lives a stone’s throw away from the purported Bin Laden compound that was raided on May 1. In an astpaounding interview with Pakistani news channel Samaa TV, Bashir describes how he watched men land in the helicopter and enter the compound. However, in contrast to the official story, Bashir then claims the helicopter exploded and killed the men as they were re-entering the chopper to leave.

Bashir said that the men who landed in the helicopter spoke Pashto, a language spoken in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to a translation of the comments that was posted on the Veterans Today website, Bashir told the interviewer, “There was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire, we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived, they pushed us back, now we are asking that if Osama was here then who took him to America because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast, now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him?”

“We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing,” said Bashir.

Bashir said he saw numerous body parts of the men who had been blown up by the explosion.

US officials admitted that a Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter that was involved in the raid did crash into the walls of the compound, and wreckage of the chopper was shown. However, authorities denied that there were any casualties.

Bashir is by no means the only resident of Abbottabad to dispute the official narrative behind the Bin Laden raid. Indeed, you’d be hard pressed to find one that doesn’t.

In a BBC News report, Orla Guerin interviewed dozens of people who were adamant that Bin Laden did not live in the compound, with none of them ever witnessing him or hearing rumors that he was there in the five years that Obama claimed Bin Laden was a resident in the town.

“It’s all a fake, nothing happened,” said a newspaper seller who has been working in the town for 50 years.

Another resident told Guerin that the man seen in the video footage of Osama allegedly flicking between television channels is in fact his neighbor, not Bin Laden.

“His name is Akhbar Han, he owns the house they said was Osama’s house, I know him very well,” the man stated.

After speaking to “more than 50 people in the market,” Guerin found only one who believed that the man watching television was Bin Laden.

A separate CCTV News report also featured interviews with Abbottabad residents who swore that “Osama was never here,” and that a fable had been invented to help the US isolate Pakistan geopolitically.

 

[sur]

Satellite Dish ‘Added’ To Bin Laden Compound After Dubious Videos Released by White House?

 

[AAtish]

Haha that was in response to the circumstantial evidence. as far as the DNA is concerned, no two people even identical twins can have the same DNA. I have already posted the cellular mutation as the reason for that. In case you feel otherwise, post a credible source pointing otherwise.

And no nothing in ,y post is sarcasm. Either you deny those women has OBLs wives or flush your crappy theories down the toilet flush.

By the way what is your infatuation with OBL. One less b@stard in this world to get rid off. Better off without him. Aint it so?

As a Muslim, i cannot call names to a person who has already died.. i agree, one less terrorist (if that was what he really was, i don't know, no proof yet, not even single proof that he was responsible of 9/11)

Would you mind properly explaining the rest of your post, cuz it doesn't make sense, i tried my best

 

[sur]

 

[Martian]

Report says bin Laden's guns found untouched after his death

THE AMERICAN soldiers who killed Osama bin Laden found his two guns only after he was dead, while they photographed his dead body, according to a detailed new account of the al-Qaeda leader’s final moments.

The Associated Press revelation will add further fuel for critics who say US forces acted illegally in killing the unarmed Saudi fugitive. The Obama administration insists the shooting was lawful.

Meanwhile, US relations with Pakistan have found a fresh point of friction following an exchange of fire between Nato and Pakistani forces along the Afghan border. Two Pakistani soldiers were injured after opening fire on two Nato helicopters that crossed into Datta Khel, North Waziristan.

Pakistan’s military condemned the incident as a “violation of Pakistan air space” and lodged a “strong protest”. A Nato spokesman in Kabul said the shooting started after a Nato base came under fire from the Pakistani side of the border.

The AP account of the raid on bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, based on interviews with senior US officials, resolves some subsidiary mysteries about the size and sequence of the dramatic US navy seal raid that ended the hunt for bin Laden on May 2nd. But it also throws up fresh questions about how Pakistan’s air defence systems failed to stop the American forces entering or leaving.

The US raiding party slipped into Pakistan in five helicopters – two stealth Black Hawks carrying 23 navy seals, an interpreter and a sniffer dog named Cairo, and three Chinooks carrying 24 backup soldiers that landed in a remote mountain area north of Abbottabad, the garrison town where bin Laden was hiding. In recent days, two Pakistani television channels have identified the mountain area as Khala Dhaka, a semi-autonomous tribal area, having interviewed villagers who saw the crafts land and take off.

The soldiers planned to swoop on bin Laden’s house from three sides: sliding down ropes on to the roof, the compound and outside the wall. But the first Black Hawk swayed erratically as it hovered over the compound because of higher than expected temperatures and crashed against a wall. The pilot ditched the plane in bin Laden’s yard and the entire raiding party entered from the ground floor, using small explosives to blow their way through walls and doors.

The AP reported the Americans found “barriers” at each stair landing of the three-storey building, encountered fire once and killed three men and one woman. The account did not specify how many of the dead were armed. On the top floor they found bin Laden at the end of the hallway. They said they recognised him “immediately”. Bin Laden ducked into a room, followed quickly by three seals.

The first soldier pushed aside two women who tried to protect bin Laden, apparently fearing they were wearing suicide vests, while the second opened fire on the al-Qaeda leader, hitting him in the head and chest. Moments later, as the Americans photographed his body, they found an AK-47 rifle and a Makarov pistol on a shelf beside the door they had just entered. Bin Laden had not touched the weapons, according to the AP account.

Controversy over bin Laden’s death has dogged the White House since May 2nd, especially after early claims that he had been armed and used one of his wives as a human shield proved to be false.

The only witnesses who could contradict the American account are bin Laden’s three wives and children, who are currently in Pakistani custody. After much pressure from Washington, US officials were allowed briefly to speak with them last week.

The women reportedly refused to answer questions and Pakistan says they will be repatriated to their native Saudi Arabia and Yemen. It is not clear when this will happen. – ( Guardian service)

Report says bin Laden's guns found untouched after his death - The Irish Times - Wed, May 18, 2011

 

[misty]

aangirfan: SATELLITE DISH ADDED TO 'OSAMA' COMPOUND?

Have they added this dish to make this out to be global command centre?

 

[roadrunner]

aangirfan: SATELLITE DISH ADDED TO 'OSAMA' COMPOUND?

Have they added this dish to make this out to be global command centre?

lol, well a dish that size would have looked odd.

 

[AAtish]

LOL, another twist, good, its true what they say, liars don't have feet