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Don't you even know what Jihad is ?

Oh yes I am very familiar with the deflective argument that "it is a personal struggle, against sin, against earthly desires, a struggle to improve onesself in the eyes of God." Etc.

Then, there is that pesky Jihad that involves guns, a declared holy war against the Kafir and other "enemies of Islam."

In accordance with the fundamentals of Islam,non-Muslims in Pakistan are not considered equal to momins. Every momin as per the quranic injuctions is under an obligation to wage Jihad against Kafirs.

Islamic front wants Jihad against JEws and Crusaders.

There are thousands of examples. My use of the term is appropriate and recognized in this context.

Or does every Muslim on this earth that strive to better themeselves, be it becoming a doctor, saving ones life, building schools, getting an education, saving money for a good cause like charity for the needy, fighting against murderous terrorists under ALlah(swt), are only a bunch of beared wearing or burka wearing, bomb strapping terrorist who are hell bent on killing people who are born in the west ?

Yes, that is the "good jihad" packaged neatly for consumption. I do applaud anyone's attempt along these lines. Nothing but good can come from it.

Can you remember what Crusade represent ?
Ancient history? How long do we hang on? Do I get to look at the Muslim conquest of Spain and the Mediterranean area and use that as examples of expansionist Muslim history? I've even heard people strongly declare that Spain is a Muslim Nation and should be re-conquered... conveniently ignoring the fact that it was Christian before Muhammed was born.

Is there no end to you prejudice towards Muslims, Muslim culture and Islam ? no seriously.
Those that know me, know that I don't have a bigoted bone in me when it comes to the peaceful religious pursuits of the individual. I have Muslim friends. I am very good friends with several Muslims on other forums, and some here as well. But I am against Theistic States, I believe inevitably they suppress the religious minority.

Finally, to wrap this up, tell me where I am wrong in this thread? I am not combatting a theology, I am combatting the conclusions that people come to that are devoid of logic, ignore simple evidence. That is all. Don't turn it into something it's not. Very typical, to take a political or logical argument, and play the "You're against Islam" game... Islam has nothing to do with the points in my thread.
 
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death

Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death - by Stephen Lendman

Winston Churchill rightly explained that "(a) lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." He said it perhaps before television. For sure before 24-hour cable TV and modern technology instantly communicating globally.

It applies to Obama's latest lie, announced at 11:35PM EDT on bin Laden, saying:

"Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children."

Highlighting 9/11, he painstakingly discussed everything but the truth. America's media repeated it. Celebratory crowds in front of the White House, in Times Square, and at "ground zero" cheered it past midnight, mindlessly believing a lie. More on that below.

On May 1, New York Times writers Peter Baker, Helene Cooper and Mark Mazzetti headlined, "Bin Laden Is Dead, Obama says: continuing:

Calling him "the mastermind of the most devastating attack on American soil in modern times and the most hunted man in the world," Obama announced his death Sunday night, declaring "justice has been done."

Cheerleading, not reporting, Baker, Cooper and Mazzetti called his "demise....a defining moment in the American-led fight against terrorism, a symbolic stroke affirming the relentlessness of the pursuit of those who attacked New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001."

New Year's eve arrived early in America, celebrating a lie, the "bewildered herd" again seduced by presidential deception.

A USA Today editorial headlined, "At last, bin Laden is dead," saying:

"Could there be any more satisfying words to hear?"

The Boston Globe highlighted "a moment of unity" after nearly a decade of war, calling Obama's announcement a "vindication of a manhunt spanning presidential administrations, and involving numerous agencies and countless intelligence officers."

AP quoted Bill Clinton saying:

"I congratulate the president, the national security team and the members of our armed forces on bringing Osama bin Laden to justice after more than a decade of murderous al Qaeda attacks."

House speaker John Boehner (R. OH) said it was "great news..."

House Democrat leader Nancy Pelosi called it "historic."

Senate Democrat leader Harry Reid "reaffirm(ed) our resolve to defeat the terrorist forces that killed (9/11 victims) and thousands of others across the globe."

Expect lots more cheerleading ahead, led by major media reports doing what they do best, providing sanitized, managed news, not truth.

Separating Fact from Fiction

Post-9/11, bin Laden became "Enemy Number One," the nation's top "security threat." In fact, if he hadn't existed, he'd have been invented for political advantage.

In March 1985, after Ronald Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 166 to arm Afghan Mujahideen fighters, Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) recruited bin Laden to fight Soviet Afghan forces as a CIA asset. He likely remained one until his death, while simultaneously called "Enemy Number One," using him advantageously both ways.

David Ray Griffin wrote seminal books on 9/11, including "The New Pearl Harbor," "The 9/11 Commission Report," "9/11 and American Empire," "9/11 Contradictions," "Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7," and "Osama Bin Laden: Dead of Alive?"

It was also the title of his October 9, 2009 Global Research article, covering two types of evidence:

(1) Objective evidence that he's dead:

After December 13, 2001, his regularly intercepted messages stopped.

On December 26, 2001, according to "a leading Pakistani newspaper" story, a prominent Taliban official said he attended his funeral.

Bin Laden, in fact, was very ill with kidney disease. In September 2001, CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported that he was admitted to a Rawalpindi, Pakistan hospital on September 10, 2001, and France's Le Figaro said:

"Dubai....was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July (2001). A partner of the administration of the American Hospital....claims that (bin Laden) stayed (there) between the 4th and 14th of July (and) received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. (During the same period), the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking (the hospital's) main elevator (to) bin Laden's room."

Why not if he was a valued asset.

In July 2002, "CNN reported that (his) bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: 'Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most wanted man in the world is dead."

Finally, despite Washington offering a $25 million reward for information leading to his capture or killing, no one came forward.

(2) Testimonial evidence of his death:

In 2002, influential "people in a position to know" that he died included:

-- Pakistan President Musharraf;

-- FBI counterterrorism head Dale Watson;

-- Oliver North saying, "I'm certain that Osama is dead....and so are all the other guys I stay in touch with;"

-- Afghanistan President Karzai;

-- Israeli intelligence saying supposed bin Laden messages were fake; and

-- Pakistan's ISI "confirm(ing) the death of....Osama bin Laden (and) attribut(ing) the reasons behind Washington's hiding (the truth) to the desire of (America's hawks) to use the issue of al Qaeda and international terrorism to invade Iraq."

Other evidence includes former CIA case officer Robert Baer telling National Public Radio (NPR): "Of course he's dead."

Then in March 2009, "former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled 'Osama bin Elvis,' " saying:

"Seven years after (bin Laden's) last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence of Elvis's presence among us than for his."

Griffin also explained fake messages and videos, saying today's advanced technology can fool experts, but not all of them.

For years, bin Laden tapes surfaced at strategically-timed moments. Consider one on Friday, September 7, 2007 ahead the sixth 9/11 anniversary. Hector Factor's Neal Krawetz, a digital image forensics expert, said it was full of low quality visual and audio splices, a likely fake.

Striking also was bin Laden's beard that was gray in recent images. In this one, it was black. In addition, he was dressed in a white hat and shirt, as well as a yellow sweater, the same attire as on an October 29, 2004 video. Moreover, the background, lighting, desk and camera angle were identical.

Krawetz noted that "if you overlay the 2007 and 2004 videos, bin Laden's face is the same (unaged)." Only his beard was darker, and the picture contrast was adjusted. Most important are the edits showing obvious splices, at least six video ones in all. Even more audio ones were used that appeared to be words and phrases spliced together, making Krawetz suspect a vocal imitator was used.

A Final Comment

Clear evidence showed bin Laden died years ago, likely in December 2001. However, reporting it was concealed to pursue America's "war on terror."

As a result, "Enemy Number One" was used to stoke fear as pretext for imperial wars on Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, perhaps others now planned, and numerous proxy ones in Somalia, Yemen, Bahrain, Palestine, Central Africa, Colombia, and elsewhere.

Griffin wrote his bin Laden book, hoping to shorten America's wars. He also wished to expose "fake bin Laden tapes (used as) one part of an extensive propaganda operation....furthering the militarization of America and its foreign policy" while popular needs go begging.

Obama's latest lie left America's imperial agenda unchanged. In fact, his announcement likely bolsters public support for what's clearly become unpopular, saying:

"(T)hink back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11," urging people to show it again despite how militarism harms their security, well-being and futures by draining funds badly needed for domestic needs.

Instead, expect increasing amounts used for corporate handouts and wars, Obama as uncaring about human needs as extremist Republicans. He's also an inveterate liar.

SteveLendmanBlog: Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death
 
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YouTube - ‪250511_Reporter - In Focus: Pakistan's Nuclear Assets? -- Part 4‬‏


Hi,

I just watched this video clip on youtube---Retd AVM Shahid Lateef-----I had only known about this man by word of mouth----but listening to this interview----he has pi-ss poor personality---and has absolutely no class and tact----a general officer---can't even talk-----he presented a very poor analysis.

Hi,

& ur post shows how superficial & thick-skull u r... & ur post-raddish-fart personality
 
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Mullah Baradar leaked info about OBL hiding: UK paper

LONDON: Taliban leader Mullah Baradar is believed to have informed US whereabouts of Al-Qaeda Chief Osama Bin Laden, a UK paper claimed.

According to the report, in return the US promised to pullout troops from Taliban strongholds in Afghanistan once Osama had been killed or captured.

Until now it has been believed that Osama Bin Laden was caught when the US intercepted a phone call made by his courier Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. But new reports suggest it was actually Baradar who told the US where he was hiding.

Baradar was arrested in a joint Pak-US operation last year in Karachi and was interrogated in prison before being released last October.

Mullah Baradar leaked info about OBL hiding: UK paper

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I wonder what could happened to indians, if were found in india/Bollywood?
:rofl:
 
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I wonder what could happened to indians, if were found in india/Bollywood?
:rofl:


He would have been a success in certain places provided he changed his surname to Khan and hit another hotel!!

:rofl:

Who is Mullah Barabar?
 
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Re: Osama Dead. Obama Confirms.

Hi,

Some of my pakistani colleagues really want to show the world how far they have their head buried in sand----and that is okay as well----the world knows it---they have no qualms about that.

Why do you leave a witness behind intentionally----so that they can tell what happened-----. When the british army retreated from afghanistan and during the retreat---the soldiers got massacred---and the afghan and pushtuns only left one man to go back----for what----to give an eye witness account of what had happened to the british amry---so he could tell about the massacre the befell the british---to tell the story of the brutality and fighting experties of the afghan/pushtun warriors.

The Laden family is a witness to what happened----the little girl saw what happened----his young bride saw what happened---her vantage point may have been different that the navy seal who shot her father----but she saw her father die-----.

So now to all the superstar nuclear scientists from pakistan on this board----you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand and believe that Laden is gone----you have his family to vouch for the killing---the killing may have happened in an unagreeable manner----but the execution did take place----Usama Bin Laden was executed by the navy seals-----
Original Post By MastanKhan

MUHAMMAD YAHYA
What is difference between the justice of Changhez Khan and US ?


My Reply:-------

The thread was conveniently closed by Agnostic muslim-----.

I think that we need to read up on the history one more time-----when one asks for such a comparison, then it shows that, that person has totally lost all sense of observation and reasoning----that then means that the judgement has been clouded with anger, hatred and disillusion. One may chose not to like the united states, but to make comparison of it to Chengiz Khan is rather fetching it too far----.

Americans have talked about the 'NAIVITY' OF PAKISTANIS in their assessment at all levels----.

Agno---I don't see you and Blaine's resignation from your positions yet----don't you think that due to the failure of your analysis and ideologies---you need to tender your resignations.
 
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Re: Osama Dead. Obama Confirms.

Hi,

Some of my pakistani colleagues really want to show the world how far they have their head buried in sand----and that is okay as well----the world knows it---they have no qualms about that.

Why do you leave a witness behind intentionally----so that they can tell what happened-----. When the british army retreated from afghanistan and during the retreat---the soldiers got massacred---and the afghan and pushtuns only left one man to go back----for what----to give an eye witness account of what had happened to the british amry---so he could tell about the massacre the befell the british---to tell the story of the brutality and fighting experties of the afghan/pushtun warriors.

The Laden family is a witness to what happened----the little girl saw what happened----his young bride saw what happened---her vantage point may have been different that the navy seal who shot her father----but she saw her father die-----.

So now to all the superstar nuclear scientists from pakistan on this board----you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand and believe that Laden is gone----you have his family to vouch for the killing---the killing may have happened in an unagreeable manner----but the execution did take place----Usama Bin Laden was executed by the navy seals-----
Original Post By MastanKhan

MUHAMMAD YAHYA
What is difference between the justice of Changhez Khan and US ?


My Reply:-------

The thread was conveniently closed by Agnostic muslim-----.

I think that we need to read up on the history one more time-----when one asks for such a comparison, then it shows that, that person has totally lost all sense of observation and reasoning----that then means that the judgement has been clouded with anger, hatred and disillusion. One may chose not to like the united states, but to make comparison of it to Chengiz Khan is rather fetching it too far----.

Americans have talked about the 'NAIVITY' OF PAKISTANIS in their assessment at all levels----.

Agno---I don't see you and Blaine's resignation from your positions yet----don't you think that due to the failure of your analysis and ideologies---you need to tender your resignations.

why they didnt leave you behind, they took you to america???
 
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All of those fake photos were created by internet geeks having fun with photoshop. These were not released by the U.S. government as "official" OBL photos.

It's very simple... the big news breaks. News reporters demand "We need photos with this story!" So they get on Google like all of us did, and these fakes pop up. They get used. It's no more complex than that.

Do people think, with the resources and technology available to the U.S. government, that they would use a picture from Blackhawk Down, a hollywood movie, with a famous actor as the live American in the scene?

No, if they wanted to fake pictures, they would use a corpse, some real soldiers perhaps, and the very best computer technicians would doctor it up.
 
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US officials are trying to find evidence as to why Osama chose to live in Abbottabad.



A probe into the mobile phone found from Osama Bin Laden s compound in Abboottabad appears to show his connections with a militant group, Harakatul Mujahideen, claims the US media.



He was supported by Harakatul Mujahideen which has been linked to a Pakistan s intelligence agency.



However, no solid evidence found which definitively linked Osama Bin Laden to the intelligence agency.



The mobile phone record can lead to the decision made by Osama and his guards as to why they chose to live in Abbottabad.



Harakatul Mujahideen has deep roots in Abbottabad and had links with Al Qaeda.
 
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