Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[IndoUS]

well i think we have a chance for J-20 after 2016 since (hopefully) our economy will be better, we may be able to even buy Gripen or upgrade to JFT block 4

I would say more like between 2018 and 2020. China would most likely first provide for its own air force rather than supplying another country.

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MMRCA was never for pakistan.This thread is nothing more than a self claimed threat.
Most of the planes will be shifted to north east not towards west. and only objective is to get tech for local industry with no strings.

I look at MMRCA as more of a technology based need where the technology will be used in the LCA and the AMCA project. And after thta these fighter will most likely be deployed in the east with some being based near Delhi.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Most of the planes will be shifted to north east not towards west.

And are they designed to never be able to fly West?

You have reiterated this nonsensical point enough times - deploying the air craft in any particular location during peace time does not preclude their use in, and/or re-deployment to, another location.

 

[jackyy]

And are they designed to never be able to fly West?

You have reiterated this nonsensical point enough times - deploying the air craft in any particular location during peace time does not preclude their use in, and/or re-deployment to, another location.

Sir,it has been in news from many years and till now without mmrca,india have enough for western border to cover.
Please have a review over the interviews of former air chief's of india.

your point is also correct but mmrca is basically meant for china

 

[shuntmaster]

Reports say the first few squadrons of Rafale will be based in the Western command and later squadrons will be based on eastern command.
The Fighter squadrons can be easily and quickly re-deployed whenever and wherever required during the times of war.

 

[Edevelop]

Using big weapons is a big thing and having experience is another. How well is India prepared to strike Pak? We have been waiting for years now....
The fact is since the 80s, there hasn't been a proper war. Pakistan uses mujahedeen to counter, and India sticks to its original plan to use its forces. On the scale, this wasn't a full face to face confrontation war, but a proxy only.
Now for us during that period, we have managed to fight and experience Soviets, Afghanis, Americans, and NATO. What is that you have learned that we can't face the reality of facing you?
Having faced all superpowers, and we will find you a joke.

 

[IndoUS]

Considering that these are aircraft and are easy to transport I don't see the reason to put restriction into where they can operate. But yes they are better to be deployed to the east where the IAF needs more muscle. We already have enough bases and aircraft deployed toward the west now its time to give some attention to the east.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir,it has been in news from many years and till now without mmrca,india have enough for western border to cover.
Please have a review over the interviews of former air chief's of india.

It does not matter what the rhetoric is - your Military Chiefs could claim 'in the news' that they will only throw flowers at Pakistani troops in case of war, no one is actually going to sit back and take that as some sort of iron clad guarantee from India.

In case of hostilities between India and Pakistan, there is absolutely nothing that will prevent the Indian Military from redeploying its MMRCA to the Western front.

An efficient and modern military does not function on the basis of 'X equipment for this front alone and Y equipment for that front alone' - a modern military will develop and plan for EVERY SINGLE ASSET it possesses being redeployed and used at ANY location it needs to use those assets to WIN.

 

[jackyy]

Reports say the first few squadrons of Rafale will be based in the Western command and later squadrons will be based on eastern command.
The Fighter squadrons can be easily and quickly re-deployed whenever and wherever required during the times of war.

no buddy,First squad will be in ambala in haryana and next will be north east with MKI's

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also with in 3-4 years,IAF is going to make kargil as one of the largest air base in north

 

[joekrish]

As of now the best thing that Pakistan can do is improve its economy. India will keep buying and upgrading and it would be imposiable for Pakistan to counter India plane by plane. India will not dare to attack Pakistan as long as the Nukes are on the plate. It would be best for Pakistan to shelf the K issue, change its policy until it is ready on all fronts.

 

[jackyy]

It does not matter what the rhetoric is - your Military Chiefs could claim 'in the news' that they will only throw flowers at Pakistani troops in case of war, no one is actually going to sit back and take that as some sort of iron clad guarantee from India.

In case of hostilities between India and Pakistan, there is absolutely nothing that will prevent the Indian Military from redeploying its MMRCA to the Western front.

An efficient and modern military does not function on the basis of 'X equipment for this front alone and Y equipment for that front alone' - a modern military will develop and plan for EVERY SINGLE ASSET it possesses being redeployed and used at ANY location it needs to use those assets to WIN.

thats truth but mmrca is purchased by ranting against china.

 

[shuntmaster]

Using big weapons is a big thing and having experience is another. How well is India prepared to strike Pak? We have been waiting for years now....
The fact is since the 80s, there hasn't been a proper war. Pakistan uses mujahedeen to counter, and India sticks to its original plan to use its forces. On the scale, this wasn't a full face to face confrontation war, but a proxy only.
Now for us during that period, we have managed to fight and experience Soviets, Afghanis, Americans, and NATO. What is that you have learned that we can't face the reality of facing you?
Having faced all superpowers, and we will find you a joke.

India did use the airforce very effectively during the Kargil war. The Mirage-2000 was used with deadly results in A2G role. The IAF was so impressed with M2K that they wanted more of it. But unfortunately France has stopped M2K production and that was the genesis of the MMRCA tender process. It is very logical that IAF finally decided on M2K's successor which is the Rafale.

 

[subanday]

We need to invest in Quality long range SAM systems. We are not an Attacking Force by default, so we need to make our defenses rock solid, and SAMs play a key role in that...

 

[S10]

The main concern for India is China currently and I am not going to deny it. I look at China as a role model and something as a barrier that India must try to overcome. Most of the projects that China is doing is for the improvement of its own R&D and to create a better technology platform for its future fighters, and as for Pakistan if China isn't willing to sell for cheap then Pakistan would be in some what of a trouble since they won't be able to buy these jets in numbers.

China can sell J-10B and JF-17 to Pakistan as cheap as it wants. That's not the question being asked here. The issue is some people think China can produce those planes at a super affordable price, which is not true. To provide Pakistan with the planes at that price, China would be taking a loss. While I have no doubt China will offer its best price to Pakistan, I don't think it will go as far as to pay out of its own pocket. As friendly as China is towards Pakistan, it can't fight Pakistan's battles.

 

[Edevelop]

India did use the airforce very effectively during the Kargil war. The Mirage-2000 was used with deadly results in A2G role. The IAF was so impressed with M2K that they wanted more of it. But unfortunately France has stopped M2K production and that was the genesis of the MMRCA tender process. It is very logical that IAF finally decided on M2K's successor which is the Rafale.

There is no such thing as Kargil War... It was nothing but a conflict.
Come on man, why don't you start calling Siachin a war as well?
MK2 was used only on people with just ak-47 on top of mountains. Surely, this was an easy task, as the opponent was not capable of bringing them down with a simple short weapon.
The role of M2K was never IN Pakistan. You're other jets tried to come in deep, but failed. We shot them down...
You should have use MK2 but you didn't...
Agnostic muslim is right. Are your new fighter jets able to fly West?

 

[shuntmaster]

As of now the best thing that Pakistan can do is improve its economy. India will keep buying and upgrading and it would be imposiable for Pakistan to counter India plane by plane. India will not dare to attack Pakistan as long as the Nukes are on the plate. It would be best for Pakistan to shelf the K issue, change its policy until it is ready on all fronts.

Until 1980's PAF had the quality advantage over IAF's quantity. In the 2000's the qualitative advantage shifted towards IAF with induction of Su-30MKI's, whereas PAF degraded both in quality and quantity. The best option for PAF is to improve on the quantitative aspect by inducting more low cost, low performance jets like JF-17's and medium cost, medium performance Jets like J-10 to counter IAF's qualitative advantage.