Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[Yaduveer]

Is Rafale equipped with AESA radar ?

 

[Yaduveer]

Why not Pakistan go for MIG 35 plane ?
That is cheap ~35m $ with AESA radar. Will Russia forget role of pakistan played in Afganistan war and go for the deal ?

 

[gubbi]

Is Rafale equipped with AESA radar ?

Not yet. But Rafale aircraft for IAF would come equipped with AESA radars. Armée de l'Air would receive their first five AESA equipped Tranche 4 Rafale aircraft by the end of 2013.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Using big weapons is a big thing and having experience is another. How well is India prepared to strike Pak? We have been waiting for years now....
The fact is since the 80s, there hasn't been a proper war. Pakistan uses mujahedeen to counter, and India sticks to its original plan to use its forces. On the scale, this wasn't a full face to face confrontation war, but a proxy only.
Now for us during that period, we have managed to fight and experience Soviets, Afghanis, Americans, and NATO. What is that you have learned that we can't face the reality of facing you?
Having faced all superpowers, and we will find you a joke.

I'm going OT for this one post.

Since you've a Canadian flag, I thought I would drop a friendly suggestion. You may have sympathies, for what mods insist on calling as militant groups, but since LeT, HuJI etc are all designated as terrorist organizations it would be best for YOUR OWN SAKE to not show your sympathies for them so publically. In the US atleast posting is counted as speech. There have been some incidents in the US over picking people over their links to LeT etc. The recent one I remember was a Pakistani guy who made a propaganda video for Hafiz Saeed's son.

Here are the links for your reference

Lashkar-e-Taiba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Be safe! This internet chest thumping can end up being very very costly!

 

[fatman17]

Why not Pakistan go for MIG 35 plane ?
That is cheap ~35m $ with AESA radar. Will Russia forget role of pakistan played in Afganistan war and go for the deal ?

PAF will prefer single-engine platforms

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well JF17 thunder block 2 or 3 will also come with AESA , and same with J10B so the AESA advantage will be pertty much nullified
In end it all comes to political move by India so France would no longer sell weapons to pakistan thats all it is

Euro Fighter makes no sense for Pakistan Airforce

We are good with 300 (Block 1, Block 2 , Block 3 fighters) by 2015
87 F16 C/D and 36 J10B , are quite sufficient addition by 2015

Almost 450 planes by 2015 , we are really fine

We just need to get our 6 Submarines from China and perhaps get few Submarine hunter planes and we are set

40-50 Super Cobras by 2015 would also be ok , addition

But our nation's Focus will probbly shift to economy after 2013 elections and rightfully so

 

[deckingraj]

PAF will prefer single-engine platforms

And what is the reason for that??? Cost..??? PAF has lot of experience with Chinese jets which do bring in some similarity with Russian Migs...so mig35 is not that bad of a choice, no???

 

[shuntmaster]

The biggest disadvantage Pakistan has is its geography. There is simply no strategic depth. Majority of Pakistan and almost all its critical and strategic assets and infrastructure is within a few hundred kilometres from the border. Majority of the population centres are along the Indus river and 70% of the population is between Indus and Indo-pak border.
Pakistan airfields and SAM systems can be easily taken out even by land based system within Indian territory.

 

[deckingraj]

We are good with 300 (Block 1, Block 2 , Block 3 fighters) by 2015
87 F16 C/D and 36 J10B , are quite sufficient addition by 2015

Almost 450 planes by 2015 , we are really fine

How many JF-17 do you have right now in the kitty??? reaching 300 in next 4 years...seems to me impossible...can you throw some more light on this??

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Plus lets not forget that we posses stealth technology now , and likely Block 3 JF17 thunder will be highly coated stealthy Thunders

AESA
Stealthy features
New Engines

Will certainly make JF17 thunders a solid platform for future , and we don't necessarily need a 100 million over price plane called Euro fighter


Stealth Alloy and metal composition secrets right here

 

[jackyy]

And what is the reason for that??? Cost..??? PAF has lot of experience with Chinese jets which do bring in some similarity with Russian Migs...so mig35 is not that bad of a choice, no???

they dont have to cover huge area like we do

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Plus lets not forget that we posses stealth technology now , and likely Block 3 JF17 thunder will be highly coated stealthy Thunders

AESA
Stealthy features
New Engines

Will certainly make JF17 thunders a solid platform for future , and we don't necessarily need a 100 million over price plane called Euro fighter


Stealth Alloy and metal composition secrets right here

just another wanna be

 

[Markus]

Rafale will be really a tough nut to crack for the PAF.

Based on technical characteristics that are in public domain, I am afraid none of the J-10 series will be much effective against the Rafale.

J-20 is a diff. ball-game but we are not sure how many of them will make it to PAF.

The air power was in India's favour and with Rafale it will increase exponentially.

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

Using big weapons is a big thing and having experience is another. How well is India prepared to strike Pak? We have been waiting for years now....
The fact is since the 80s, there hasn't been a proper war. Pakistan uses mujahedeen to counter, and India sticks to its original plan to use its forces. On the scale, this wasn't a full face to face confrontation war, but a proxy only.
Now for us during that period, we have managed to fight and experience Soviets, Afghanis, Americans, and NATO. What is that you have learned that we can't face the reality of facing you?
Having faced all superpowers, and we will find you a joke.

We have learned to grow our economy. Since 80's you have gained experience fighting soviets, afghans, USA (huh?) and NATO (huh again) but by doing this you have put the well being of your country and its economy in the toilet. That is precisely why you have limited options in purchasing these arms and are solely dependent on what China chooses to donate/sell to you on deferred payments.

I guess your continuous wait for us to strike at you has done more harm to you than any of our strikes would have done. Guess that works pretty well for us. Isn't it?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I see a major Transformation in Pakistan Airforce by 2014-2015

450 New fighters (incoming J17 Thunders, F16 C/D and F16 MLU , J10B)
8-15 AWACs
Option for 100 more fighters
Air to Air refuelers
BVR


Lets not completely forget that we might also get F16 fighters from Norway if need be
We really don't need , Hornets - Rafale or Typhoon or Rain

Our Requirements are

a) Locally produced ground to air defence missile system long range
b) Settelites
c) Submarines


As for economy that will automatically heal once USA leaves Afghanistan we are doing ok

Compare to where we were in 1990 we are 1000% better shape

 

[jackyy]

I see a major Transformation in Pakistan Airforce by 2014-2015

450 New fighters (incoming J17 Thunders, F16 C/D and F16 MLU , J10B)
8-15 AWACs
Option for 100 more fighters
Air to Air refuelers
BVR


Lets not completely forget that we might also get F16 fighters from Norway if need be

you can also get PAK FA before 2015