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Opposition leader warns Turkey in process of ‘Pakistanization’

Most of your "terrorists" have already ran away to syria for skill up-gradation or are hiding in the cities. and sapre me the bull$hit about indian assets in afghanistan.

And turkey can do shit to russia ... in the chechen war russians slaughtered chechens like cabbage. here is putin f*cking with a Western islamofagg*t:
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Well you got one thing right the indian assets are running, hiding or dead

Islam is spreading in Russia, check out Eid in Moscow

In Checniya the Russians had a decade of pain with a area only 1% of its size, they risked a insurgency through out its muslim regions

They fixed this by giving checniya virtual autonomy, supported a former islamic radical as a hardline president, threw multitudes of millions into building checniya and its mosques, and gave carte blanch to the president and government to apply islam any which way they see fit

Apart from actual independence what is left for checniya to moan about
 
Well you got one thing right the indian assets are running, hiding or dead

Islam is spreading in Russia, check out Eid in Moscow

In Checniya the Russians had a decade of pain with a area only 1% of its size, they risked a insurgency through out its muslim regions

They fixed this by giving checniya virtual autonomy, supported a former islamic radical as a hardline president, threw multitudes of millions into building checniya and its mosques, and gave carte blanch to the president and government to apply islam any which way they see fit

Apart from actual independence what is left for checniya to moan about
although your come back was good but its good never to quote a troll
 
The situation is not at all that different. How long have you lived in Turkiye? I've stayed there for the better part of my life and have excellent contacts with various movers and shakers..... what Turkey is experiencing right now is a result of things that we put into motion in the 90's..... I, also maintain the same line..... Turkey today is what Pakistan was in early 90's...... if AKP stays in power, within five years you'll see it undoing the fabric of Turkish social life that Ataturk knit with his own hands.
I'm not going to get into details, simply because it's a subject that I don't want to get into, but there ARE key differences. First being that Turkey is in a much better position than Pakistan was. Despite what the Russians and Iranians may claim, there is no actual evidence to suggest that Turkey is training extremists, but it is quite evident that the Turks are active in training more secular groups, along with Sunni and ethnic groups that are loyal to Ankara, such as the Turkmen.

Another key difference is that while Pakistan allowed training to stay within Pakistan, Turkey has been insistent on creating a safe zone, in the guise of stopping the flow of refugees. The truth is that Turkey's plan is to use the safe zone to create a place to train and recruit fighters, outside of Turkish territory. Turkey also has a FAR stronger control of it's own borders. Pakistan? Not only did it make the mistake of allowing training within Pakistani territory, it had little to no control over it's own borders, with frequent border raids by soviet and afghan forces. It wasn't until the f-16 came into play that Pakistan skies became relatively safer, but that still didn't stop Afghan/Soviet air raids in Pakistani territory.

Now, I don't mean to offend the Turkish people, but let's be honest, modern Turkey's success has more to do with Erdogan, rather than Ataturk. Outside of his military victories to establish Turkey as an independent state, free of foreign influence and control, his only real accomplishment in Turkish politic was the establishment of a constitutional secularism.

People tend to forget, before AKP came to power, corruption was rampant and the economy was in the shits, not to mention that religious freedom within the halls of government was frowned upon. Turkish society took secularism to mean the absence of religion, rather than what it actually is, neutrality on religion. AKP not only should be credited for turning Turkey's economy around, but making it an economically strong regional power.

Despite the propaganda from the opposition, AKP allowed a lot more religious freedom, still supports a secular government. In fact, when Erdogan went to Egypt to support Morsi, he urged Morsi to turn to secular rule.

These terms "Islamisation" or "Pakistanisation" of Turkey are nothing more than to score points. The comparison is superficial.

One final difference is that unlike Pakistan, who was in it alone to take care of the refugees, Turkey not only has the backing of the US and EU, but is actively pressuring the US and EU by using the refugee issue to help Turkey with its problems. Pakistan never had that opportunity.

Again, no detail, but even looking at it superficially, we can already tell the differences.
 
Now, I don't mean to offend the Turkish people, but let's be honest, modern Turkey's success has more to do with Erdogan, rather than Ataturk. Outside of his military victories to establish Turkey as an independent state, free of foreign influence and control, his only real accomplishment in Turkish politic was the establishment of a constitutional secularism.
Why are you even bringing Atatürk into the subject anyway?
Atatürk laid the foundation for the state just after destrous wars, he managed to archive two digit growth in economy, buillt thousands of kilometer of railway, founded almost all state institutions, established factories, heck Turkey was producing planes just a decade after multiple desastrous wars, he took a country that was only a shadow of its past glory on the way to be remembered only in history books, a country that lost 1/3 of its population in wars and made a independent, modern country out of it, that is the biggest gift that has been made to Turks.
He didnt just westernised the country as most anti Atatürk (not implying you are) people think.

Could AKP manage all this, hell no, they got a country that had economic problems and managed to archive a more or less good growth thx to the reforms from someone who later would become a member of CHP btw.
Not to mention it still remains to be seen how AKP is gonna manage all the chaos happening in and around the counry.
Your comparison is laughable.
 
Why are you even bringing Atatürk into the subject anyway?
I didn't, I'm merely answering someone else who did.

Atatürk laid the foundation for the state just after destrous wars, he managed to archive two digit growth in economy, buillt thousands of kilometer of railway, founded almost all state institutions, established factories, heck Turkey was producing planes just a decade after multiple desastrous wars, he took a country that was only a shadow of its past glory on the way to be remembered only in history books, a country that lost 1/3 of its population in wars and made a independent, modern country out of it, that is the biggest gift that has been made to Turks.
He didnt just westernised the country as most anti Atatürk (not implying you are) people think.
Fair enough.

Could AKP manage all this, hell no, they got a country that had economic problems and managed to archive a more or less good growth thx to the reforms from someone who later would become a member of CHP btw.
Not to mention it still remains to be seen how AKP is gonna manage all the chaos happening in and around the counry.
Your comparison is laughable.
But AKP did manage to revive a struggling economy, you cannot deny that. Regardless of whom did it, this happened during AKP's rule.

You can call my comparison laughable, but it doesn't really change anything. Besides, it's no accident that AKP has won multiple election. Despite what the opposition may say, and what protesters may chant, AKP did have majority support to win their elections.

Whether or not you agree with my comparison is completely irrelevant, but what you cannot deny is that Turkey and Pakistan, during the comparative years, were/are in different leagues of their own. Even if we were to say that Turkey is in the same situation, which it is not, Turkey is in a much stronger and better position to handle the issues it faces, which Pakistan never was in.
 
I didn't, I'm merely answering someone else who did.


Fair enough.


But AKP did manage to revive a struggling economy, you cannot deny that. Regardless of whom did it, this happened during AKP's rule.

You can call my comparison laughable, but it doesn't really change anything. Besides, it's no accident that AKP has won multiple election. Despite what the opposition may say, and what protesters may chant, AKP did have majority support to win their elections.

Whether or not you agree with my comparison is completely irrelevant, but what you cannot deny is that Turkey and Pakistan, during the comparative years, were/are in different leagues of their own. Even if we were to say that Turkey is in the same situation, which it is not, Turkey is in a much stronger and better position to handle the issues, Pakistan never was.
Didnt say AKP was bad regarding economy even thought bad at almost everything alse, but thats not my point, my point is comparing AKP with Atatürk which is completely out of place.
 
So whats the take of turkish military ? They did have secular character. But their power has been whittled down by the mainstream parties. Military was one key difference between pakistan and turkey.
 
Didnt say AKP was bad regarding economy even thought bad at almost everything alse, but thats not my point, my point is comparing AKP with Atatürk which is completely out of place.
I didn't bring it up, I merely answered the person who did.
 
Indians really clutching at the straws and want everyone to believe their worldview.

Pakistan and many other countries have sponsored proxies. But Pakistan has learnt lessons and moved away from this. Its an advice that Turks too must understand.

Helping proxies from a distant country like US helping proxies in Syria does not affect the sponsoring country. But Turkey being a neighbor of Syria, and on the same land mass will have difficulty controlling these proxies. These terrorists are nobody's. They are hired guns. Tomorrow they will be selling their killing business to someone else who can offer them the right price of that time.
 
Indians really clutching at the straws and want everyone to believe their worldview.

Pakistan and many other countries have sponsored proxies. But Pakistan has learnt lessons and moved away from this. Its an advice that Turks too must understand.

Helping proxies from a distant country like US helping proxies in Syria does not affect the sponsoring country. But Turkey being a neighbor of Syria, and on the same land mass will have difficulty controlling these proxies. These terrorists are nobody's. They are hired guns. Tomorrow they will be selling their killing business to someone else who can offer them the right price of that time.
Don't shoot the messenger bro ... the turkish opposition leader said it. I just posted it.
 

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