Opinionated - Pakistan nationality related debate

[Mirzali Khan]

It was their hospitality. A shared affinity of being Punjabi and somewhat shared hate against hegemonic hindus.

Great story put it on WhatsApp and forward it to people.

Lol and Sikhs are pro India they have the highest number of people in the Indian army.

You guys are the same people tho, hence the shared love and friendship

 

[The Terminator]

Great story put it on WhatsApp and forward it to people.

Lol and Sikhs are pro India they have the highest number of people in the Indian army.

You guys are the same people tho, hence the shared love and friendship

Haven't you heard of Khalistan? Golden temple and Indian tanks?? But all you have in your mind is crap against Pakistan so can't see a thing other than that.

Don't respond to my posts again or I would've to block you till you get back to Afghanistan!

 

[Faqirze]

No your critical of Pakistan full stop. Im fully with Imran Khan and he will be back.
You are using it as an excuse to trash Pakistan.



I have not seen any other Pakistani make statements like below regardless of where they stand on the whole regime change debacle.

You think Pakistan is a lost cause and you don't know if we would be better off with Pakistan, You are also vague if Pakistan was a Mistake.
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Jinnahs Pakistan Died in 1971 and you countered my Post about Indian hatred of us with " We marry Indians, Listen to Bollywood and Punjabi Music"
So that makes it our fault?
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The below 2 posts really do show where your loyalties really lie.
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No, but seems to be more going on here, than "pointing out ones observations and expressing them"
@RescueRanger Something stinks here with this poster.

I don't see anything wrong with what he posted, it just seems like you are getting triggered by criticism and opposing opinions. Is there anything wrong with having a different and opposing viewpoint on this forum?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Pakistan is very mixed. It’s like Brazil of Asia.

 

[Maula Jatt]

@jus_chillin
LMAOOOO IM DEAD





The Pashto word for Sehri is Peshmaney, countless times when people ask me what I had for suhoor/sehri by nature I say "for peshmaney I had..." and a number of people tried telling me the "correct" way is sehri LMAO or they would say "oOoOh iTs NoT uRdU". But its weird tho because a certain chunk of Pakistanis do attend AP Dhillon and Karan Aujla concerts and listen to their music. When people ask me how many of those artists I have in my Spotify playlist and my answer is none I get sideeyed.



Pakistani nationalists claim Pakistan is some utopian multi-ethnic jannat but know and listen to more East Punjabi singers than Pashto singers.



Pakistani identity is basically Junaid Jamshed clothes and Urdu. All girls wear Junaid Jamshed for Eid, besides the few Pashtun or Baloch and most know or understand some form of Urdu.





I was pro Imran Khan/pro PTI for economic reasons and that he was much much better than the Achakzais and Mengals of Quetta and the rest of Balochistan. After removal of Imran Khan, I started poking holes in the concept of Pakistan as a nation-state and its perceived "identity". I get attacked as if I said something blasphemous and people trying to convince me that just becasue they believe their ethnic kin over a British made line makes them "racially different" than them then that should be applied to everyone else. There's 0 differences culturally between someone from Lahore and Amrtisar as well as Quetta and Kandahar.

If people of these cities themselves have drawn the lines by saying due to relgious differences they need a divorce, genocide happened over it



Why are you hell bent on shitting on Thier ancestors by saying zero difference? People who died didn't feel the "zero" difference that's why they died, you know what I mean? We know the real reasons for it, we experienced the real reasons, we are happy with it and want to protect that decision at all costs

So leave us for a while, we don't have the same feelings - we are 150% happy, we are not the issue here



B- if you feel qandahar and queeta are sister cities, buffalo, Toronto are sister cities, el Paso,Cuidad Juárez, San Diego , Tijuana all that's normal, that's nations

Why are you feeling obbssesed over this totally normal occurrence world over? Unless you want a borderless Utopia



Now your song issues that you have a fascination with

Go through this thread - what do you find ? They're all Pakistani and this is true representation as they're from all over Punjab not from one particular region of it



You have judge it like ithat
If we judge everything Pashtun by looking at Peshawar and that diaspora alone than that's a wildly screwed way of looking

Punjabi Music

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUOwFUpQU40

defence.pk

On Punjab Reddit people post and analyze NFAK songs, attaulah songs for sad times, if Indian listen to few coke studio songs

We will start having whole tantrums over it? You know how absurd that looks?

all of the issue you highlight are so frickin normal in literally over more than 100 countries in the world that it's not even funny

sister city phenomen, dozens of countries, shared ethnic boundaries dozens of countries, musical tastes dozens of countries

 

[PakSarZameen47]

@jus_chillin
LMAOOOO IM DEAD





The Pashto word for Sehri is Peshmaney, countless times when people ask me what I had for suhoor/sehri by nature I say "for peshmaney I had..." and a number of people tried telling me the "correct" way is sehri LMAO or they would say "oOoOh iTs NoT uRdU". But its weird tho because a certain chunk of Pakistanis do attend AP Dhillon and Karan Aujla concerts and listen to their music. When people ask me how many of those artists I have in my Spotify playlist and my answer is none I get sideeyed.



Pakistani nationalists claim Pakistan is some utopian multi-ethnic jannat but know and listen to more East Punjabi singers than Pashto singers.



Pakistani identity is basically Junaid Jamshed clothes and Urdu. All girls wear Junaid Jamshed for Eid, besides the few Pashtun or Baloch and most know or understand some form of Urdu.





I was pro Imran Khan/pro PTI for economic reasons and that he was much much better than the Achakzais and Mengals of Quetta and the rest of Balochistan. After removal of Imran Khan, I started poking holes in the concept of Pakistan as a nation-state and its perceived "identity". I get attacked as if I said something blasphemous and people trying to convince me that just becasue they believe their ethnic kin over a British made line makes them "racially different" than them then that should be applied to everyone else. There's 0 differences culturally between someone from Lahore and Amrtisar as well as Quetta and Kandahar.

If people of these cities themselves have drawn the lines by saying due to relgious differences they need a divorce, genocide happened over it



Why are you hell bent on shitting on Thier ancestors by saying zero difference? People who died didn't feel the "zero" difference that's why they died, you know what I mean? We know the real reasons for it, we experienced the real reasons, we are happy with it and want to protect that decision at all costs

So leave us for a while, we don't have the same feelings - we are 150% happy, we are not the issue here



B- if you feel qandahar and queeta are sister cities, buffalo, Toronto are sister cities, el Paso,Cuidad Juárez, San Diego , Tijuana all that's normal, that's nations

Why are you feeling obbssesed over this totally normal occurrence world over? Unless you want a borderless Utopia



Now your song issues that you have a fascination with

Go through this thread - what do you find ? They're all Pakistani and this is true representation as they're from all over Punjab not from one particular region of it



You have judge it like ithat
If we judge everything Pashtun by looking at Peshawar and that diaspora alone than that's a wildly screwed way of looking

Punjabi Music

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUOwFUpQU40

defence.pk

On Punjab Reddit people post and analyze NFAK songs, attaulah songs for sad times, if Indian listen to few coke studio songs

We will start having whole tantrums over it? You know how absurd that looks?

all of the issue you highlight are so frickin normal in literally over more than 100 countries in the world that it's not even funny

sister city phenomen, dozens of countries, shared ethnic boundaries dozens of countries, musical tastes dozens of countries

Wait until there is strong nationalist leadership. None of these issues will exist. I feel like he's just venting his frustrations at IKs removal which we are all frustrated by. IK will be back also so it's a premature venting. It's ashame people do this and go againt Pakistan when difficulty arises.

Khair, there is no point arguing this non issue anymore.

Soon things will get better. We will remember the people that stood by in these difficult times and also the people that did not ....

 

[WotTen]

Quote wear I “trashed the idea” of Pakistan.

This is what you wrote in another thread

Also, never LOL. Pakistan is just a nationality, while the ethnicities in each province have existed for thousands of years. Religion, then ethnicity, then nationality.

You are promoting ethnic identity over Pakistaniat. This kind of thinking promotes division within the country and separatism.

While you are entitled to your opinion, I consider it to be anti-Pakistan. Just my personal opinion.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Pashtuns are only 2% of Punjab, most Pashtun migration goes to Karachi.


And its because most people need us for labor. Why do you think JSQM and BNP gets mad LOL

@jus_chillin

@B.K.N was right not only that Afghans get many benefits to just by association


You followed by or with Punjab (both can work) gets the most benefits , like it or not all of North can't survive without South, big part of CAR, Afghanistan poverty and Little devalopment potential is no sea access


check out food dependencies- for couple weeks food wasn't given and it created crazy price increases and real issues started devaloping, most of CAR are food importers and that causes problems for Thier growth

- inter state remitances money , not to mention all those imported factory workers who live in hostels, they ain't counted ,only permanent people are counted, check how big part of budget is made up taxes from Karachi and than Punjab and that pooled money creates all our 18th amendment budgets - without that pooled money all our pension system, healthcare system, education system breaks down completely
All the shiny metros, sehat cards, roads we are getting is only because of that pooled money- this continuation is what power of state is, this is the contract where we are supposed to raise each other's living standards

For punjab sea acess ends living standards come to a half - no exports , no gas, no dams, only remitances abroad
Total collapse of economic structure

This is the issue- why is CAR, Afghanistan so poor despite so much potential, and natural resources- especially CAR, they're practically dream land of perfect little ethnic states - it should make people think

In modern world you lose sea, you lose everything- if you (not you personally just in general) have a brain and live in north

You're a big dummy to not praise God for blessings

Basic ideas of state is - provide you independence to have your own education system, healthcare system, your own language that you can use, share it's money and resources in order for everyone to grow in return you give tax and state share resources so it can take those resources and spend it on others

That's it - everything else is make up

You color the state with Islam, ethnicity, rivers, common history whatever
That's color

 

[TheSolution]

Pashtuns are only 2% of Punjab, most Pashtun migration goes to Karachi.


And its because most people need us for labor. Why do you think JSQM and BNP gets mad LOL

@jus_chillin

@B.K.N was right not only that Afghans get many benefits to just by association


You followed by or with Punjab (both can work) gets the most benefits , like it or not all of North can't survive without South, big part of CAR, Afghanistan poverty and Little devalopment potential is no sea access


check out food dependencies- for couple weeks food wasn't given and it created crazy price increases and real issues started devaloping, most of CAR are food importers and that causes problems for Thier growth

- inter state remitances money , not to mention all those imported factory workers who live in hostels, they ain't counted ,only permanent people are counted, check how big part of budget is made up taxes from Karachi and than Punjab and that pooled money creates all our 18th amendment budgets - without that pooled money all our pension system, healthcare system, education system breaks down completely
All the shiny metros, sehat cards, roads we are getting is only because of that pooled money- this continuation is what power of state is, this is the contract where we are supposed to raise each other's living standards

For punjab sea acess ends living standards come to a half - no exports , no gas, no dams, only remitances abroad
Total collapse of economic structure

This is the issue- why is CAR, Afghanistan so poor despite so much potential, and natural resources- especially CAR, they're practically dream land of perfect little ethnic states - it should make people think

In modern world you lose sea, you lose everything- if you (not you personally just in general) have a brain and live in north

You're a big dummy to not praise God for blessings

Basic ideas of state is - provide you independence to have your own education system, healthcare system, your own language that you can use, share it's money and resources in order for everyone to grow in return you give tax and state share resources so it can take those resources and spend it on others

That's it - everything else is make up

You color the state with Islam, ethnicity, rivers, common history whatever
That's color

My idea of a state is slightly different to yours

I would say a region that represents a specific group of people with shared cultural, religious, ethnic and moral values who feel connected as people.

These people govern their own region in a way they like and mutually agree upon without external involvement.

This actually gives a real-word purpose for a nation state rather than an arbitrary mash up.

Truth is Pakistan is multiple countries in one. It's a union.

@jus_chillin

Great story put it on WhatsApp and forward it to people.

Lol and Sikhs are pro India they have the highest number of people in the Indian army.

You guys are the same people tho, hence the shared love and friendship

Punjabis would feel more connected like Pashtuns do if the religious difference wasn't a factor.

I wouldn't say to the same extent because Pashtuns are much more ethno-centric but definitely much more.

 

[Maula Jatt]

My idea of a state is slightly different to yours

I would say a region that represents a specific group of people with shared cultural, religious, ethnic and moral values who feel connected as people.

These people govern their own region in a way they like and mutually agree upon
without external involvement.

This actually gives a real-word purpose for a nation state rather than a mash up.

Truth is Pakistan is multiple countries in one. It's a union.

doesn't exist outside of Europe- that's the truth, you can aim for it but can never reach there fully

Turkey's European side is irreligious while the interior is very religious- never see eye to eye with focus euro or Islamist focus
US , Latin America, even SA, RSA, and North Africa to some extent - crazy ethnically diverse
- culture is oxymoronic in some ways- the culture of Lahore is very different from the rest of Punjab for example, they can't see eye to eye on a lot of things, Lahore might actually have a lot in common with Karachi or even Peshawar than it has with many parts of Punjab, - so what do you do about it?, where do you find that ?

it is a union or federation state- this is how our country functions as a state, its written in the damn constitution, Indonesia is a country that is ditto in our situation except their religion practices are not as crazy as ours
we rely on each other because Indus valley always historically migrated, relied on, traded with, and depended on each other- that's just the geography of the region, move Tutsi tribe from Rwanda here and they'll have to work out with their neighbors one way or another cause geographically they can't do shit without playing nice with others in the valley since they'll need em for something- sea access, natural resources, gas, rivers of the north, food production somewhere else
Why are Kashmiris crying for decades while 4-5 other Muslim majority regions of India want nothing to do with Pakistan? - the power of geography, there's the connection between religion + geography involved

Quetta relies on Kandahaar connects a lot more than it does on Pakistan, similar issues with Baluchistan in some ways that's why they always felt some issues with the state since forever- FATA is the self-created case as they rely on us on almost everything that's why they were some of the most patriotic people of Pakistan just , their issues with the state is plain and simple bad policies

 

[Joe Shearer]

Some of them older than india iran or Afghanistan.

For instance?

A shared affinity of being Punjabi and somewhat shared hate against hegemonic hindus.

They changed your tyre because they hated Hindus?

This is a new landmark even for you.

Lol and Sikhs are pro India they have the highest number of people in the Indian army.

Shhhhh!

You just wrecked his bathos-filled story.

Bad lad!

 

[lastofthepatriots]

For instance?


They changed your tyre because they hated Hindus?

This is a new landmark even for you.


Shhhhh!

You just wrecked his bathos-filled story.

Bad lad!

Applauding cognitive dissonance? I thought we had a moment a few months ago when we were discussing that nationhood and ethnic nationalism in specific is flawed because humans by nature create divisions amongst themselves even in the most ‘homogeneous’ of environments.

Oh well..

 

[Joe Shearer]

Applauding cognitive dissonance? I thought we had a moment a few months ago when we were discussing that nationhood and ethnic nationalism in specific is flawed because humans by nature create divisions amongst themselves even in the most ‘homogeneous’ of environments.

Oh well..

WHAT did I say inconsistent with that? With laughing out loud at the idea that ethnic nationalism had prompted a simple act of decency?
You've got it back to front!

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

For instance?

Sindh(indus valley), kashmir referenced in ptolemyss maps

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sindh(indus valley), kashmir referenced in ptolemyss maps

Please look it up for yourself. The first references are NOT to the Sindh Valley, nor to Kashmir (I have never come across any reference to Kashmir, btw, the region was always referred to in western sources as 'Gandhara'), but to Indika.

This is the kind of historical disinformation that Hindutvavadis habitually spread around. I am sorry to see this bad practice and deliberate distortion being taken up by others.