Opinion Time to allow Baluchistan at least to get oil and wheat from Iran given cost/transport issues

[ziaulislam]

Since suadis said no so did IMF it is time to let Iran pipeline be built

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[Thevilone]

This has been the biggest problem of Pakistani foreign policy. Pakistanis are extremely emotion and hot-headed. Diplomacy is done with a calm mind, relations are build over decades with gradual changes.


Just because KSA refused to provide yet another loan does not mean Pakistan should simply go into the Iranian camp, especially now considering the fact there KSA/Iran feud is ending.

 

[Mugen]

This has been the biggest problem of Pakistani foreign policy. Pakistanis are extremely emotion and hot-headed. Diplomacy is done with a calm mind, relations are build over decades with gradual changes.


Just because KSA refused to provide yet another loan does not mean Pakistan should simply go into the Iranian camp, especially now considering the fact there KSA/Iran feud is ending.

No, our problem is Napak fauj.

 

[uhuru]

Since suadis said no so did IMF it is time to let Iran pipeline be built

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why not?

3 years ago when i was in Sistan, it is a stupid law to prevent a lot of traffic on both sides. Yet the mafia states on both sides prevent regular economic ties.

 

[Thevilone]

No, our problem is Napak fauj.

His argument is not based on improving relations with Iran, but rather to anger/piss-off KSA. Negative diplomacy is a very dangerous way of approaching things. It

 

[uhuru]

His argument is not based on improving relations with Iran, but rather to anger/piss-off KSA. Negative diplomacy is a very dangerous way of approaching things. It

People of Balochistan must decide rafiki.

 

[Mugen]

His argument is not based on improving relations with Iran, but rather to anger/piss-off KSA. Negative diplomacy is a very dangerous way of approaching things. It

You're not getting my point. None of these people in power currently are there for the benefit of Pakistan, they are their for their own gain. This is a problem from top down, and starts from intention rather than emotions.

 

[Thevilone]

You're not getting my point. None of these people in power currently are there for the benefit of Pakistan, they are their for their own gain. This is a problem from top down, and starts from intention rather than emotions.

I agree, but this is how the world runs. Every single govt is corrupt, one can't form a govt without being corrupt.
We know that Modi is not corrupt, the man wears simple clothes, has no properties, his brother runs a small Kirana dukan but it does not mean BJP isnt corrupt. IK/PTI is also corrupt, less than PMLN and PPP but corrupt nevertheless. IK made Buzdar the CM of Punjab because he needed a proxy for corruption, anyone could see it on the first day itself.

Change of government wont change the system, the system will take decades to change. Till then, make the best out of the situation.

People of Balochistan must decide rafiki.

International trade can't be decided by a province. This would not happen in ay country, even if the region is "autonomous".

FOriegn policy, trade and defence agreements must be done by central govt. Otherwise, just dissolve the country and divide it into smaller states.

 

[313ghazi]

We've been idiots for decades. We should have been trading with Iran for decades. Trading using our own currencies. We could have bought gas and in exchange we could have been a hub of getting foreign made stuff into Iran through Pakistan. Balochistan would have benefited massively from the development. Foreign companies could setup in Pakistan, sell to Pakistani wholesalers who'd then trade to wholesalers or consumers in Iran. They pay in pkr, we pay them in Rials. Could have had decent trade and sent our goods across as well as purchased their goods.

Instead we have corrupt duffers. Watch travel vlogs by Pakistani's who go to Iran, they look like a first world country despite sanctions. We're the backwards one even though we have no sanctions.

 

[AlKardai]

We've been idiots for decades. We should have been trading with Iran for decades. Trading using our own currencies. We could have bought gas and in exchange we could have been a hub of getting foreign made stuff into Iran through Pakistan. Balochistan would have benefited massively from the development. Foreign companies could setup in Pakistan, sell to Pakistani wholesalers who'd then trade to wholesalers or consumers in Iran. They pay in pkr, we pay them in Rials. Could have had decent trade and sent our goods across as well as purchased their goods.

Instead we have corrupt duffers. Watch travel vlogs by Pakistani's who go to Iran, they look like a first world country despite sanctions. We're the backwards one even though we have no sanctions.

ON GOD THOUGH
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this.
Iran's self-reliance has lead them to become a Nation that pretty much all others are afraid of, in one way or another, but at the same time allows them to become a fundamentally powerful state.

Pak can learn a lot from Iran

 

[Thevilone]

we could have been a hub of getting foreign made stuff into Iran through Pakistan.

Why would Iran need Pak for importing stuff? Chabahar port means Iran is a potential seaport for Afganistan and landlocked CIS countries.

ON GOD THOUGH
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this.
Iran's self-reliance has lead them to become a Nation that pretty much all others are afraid of, in one way or another, but at the same time allows them to become a fundamentally powerful state.

Pak can learn a lot from Iran

Iran is the only Muslims state which has used oil judiciously. They used the oil resources and converted them into human resources.

 

[uhuru]

We've been idiots for decades. We should have been trading with Iran for decades. Trading using our own currencies. We could have bought gas and in exchange we could have been a hub of getting foreign made stuff into Iran through Pakistan. Balochistan would have benefited massively from the development. Foreign companies could setup in Pakistan, sell to Pakistani wholesalers who'd then trade to wholesalers or consumers in Iran. They pay in pkr, we pay them in Rials. Could have had decent trade and sent our goods across as well as purchased their goods.

Instead we have corrupt duffers. Watch travel vlogs by Pakistani's who go to Iran, they look like a first world country despite sanctions. We're the backwards one even though we have no sanctions.

rafiki, you know how situations have changed.

The dollar is no more relevant in trade between India and Tanzania

Tanzania and India have reached an agreement that will make the US dollar no longer be required for trade between the two nations

africa.businessinsider.com

When we no longer are going to be using dollar for trading with India. The same could have been done long back I remember back when we used to use here .. yes the Pak rupee like a local currency also for trading. No issues. but noone has touched the pak rupee.

Several lessons from Iran you must borrow:
1. Education, education, education --- 1st priority. This is the biggest gift that the revolution brought there.
2. Educated women. -- 2nd priority
3. No mafia control on businesses or enterpreneurship
4. Health care
5. R & D

Until you cut the balls of this wretched mafia which is choking your country, nothing will change.

 

[313ghazi]

Why would Iran need Pak for importing stuff? Chabahar port means Iran is a potential seaport for Afganistan and landlocked CIS countries.


Iran is the only Muslims state which has used oil judiciously. They used the oil resources and converted them into human resources.

A lot of western stuff is not sold directly to Iran yet Iran is full of this stuff. Currently Iranians who have access to this stuff get it via UAE, ie Iranians in UAE buy stuff and then export it to Iran. We could have also been doing that.

U.A.E. Trade Provides Iran With Western Goods, From Perfume to Laptops

Sanctions on Tehran have fueled a gray market in which Iranian consumers order online and have their purchases shipped by intermediaries across the Persian Gulf.

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Look at the example in the article. How does it work? An Iranian businessmen base din Dubai orders 1000 HP printers from an approved HP distributor in the UAE. They provide him the stock. He then exports the stock to Iran. At that point HP have not sold an item in Iran, it's official distributors have not sold an item to Iran, but a UAE based businessman has, a businessman who has no legal obligation not to sell to Iran. So the whole process is perfectly legal, as long as nobody mentions Iran.

Unfortunately our corrupt elite, all of them, Babus, judges, Generals, politicians - all of them know that they will take their ill gotten wealth and retire or invest in the west. If a Sri Lanka ever happens these people will live like kings abroad. They will never risk thier plan B.

 

[Samlee]

We've been idiots for decades. We should have been trading with Iran for decades. Trading using our own currencies. We could have bought gas and in exchange we could have been a hub of getting foreign made stuff into Iran through Pakistan. Balochistan would have benefited massively from the development. Foreign companies could setup in Pakistan, sell to Pakistani wholesalers who'd then trade to wholesalers or consumers in Iran. They pay in pkr, we pay them in Rials. Could have had decent trade and sent our goods across as well as purchased their goods.

Instead we have corrupt duffers. Watch travel vlogs by Pakistani's who go to Iran, they look like a first world country despite sanctions. We're the backwards one even though we have no sanctions.

This Offer Was Back in 2013

Iran to build refinery, supply gas to Pakistan in food barter​

* Iran to accept wheat, meat, rice as payment for fuel

* Pakistan president to sign MOU for refinery next week

DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Iran has agreed to help build an oil refinery for Pakistan and supply its energy-hungry neighbour with natural gas in a barter deal for food, Iranian media reported on Thursday.

Officials from the two countries agreed on Wednesday that Iran would help Pakistan State Oil (PSO) build a refinery and accept wheat, meat and rice as payment for fuel produced, Fars news agency reported a Pakistani energy official as saying.


Iran, which has huge reserves of gas but exports little due to sanctions, has also agreed to complete Pakistan’s part of a long-planned gas pipeline and accept payment in food for gas supplied through it.

“We had very good meetings and we had a lot of bilateral talks especially on Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project and setting up oil refinery at Gwadar with PSO,” Pakistani official Asim Hussain was quoted by Iran’s state news agency IRNA as saying after a meeting with Iranian oil minister Rostam Qasemi.

Iranian media said Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari would sign a memorandum of understanding for the 400,000 barrel per day (bpd) refinery at Gwadar, on the coast of Pakistan near the border with Iran when he visits Tehran next week.

Pakistan is increasingly reliant on fuel imports, while western sanctions have made it difficult for Iran to export crude oil or repatriate the funds from what it can sell.

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Iran has already laid its part of a long-planned gas pipeline to Pakistan. But Islamabad, under pressure from Washington, has been slow to start work.

Tired of waiting, Iran has now agreed to help build the 750-km pipeline across Pakistan, deputy minister of petroleum for gas, Javad Oji was quoted by Iranian oil ministry website Shana as saying after Wednesday’s meeting.

Oji said the two sides had agreed that the pipeline would be completed in time to start delivery of 21.5 million cubic metres of gas per day to Pakistan by December 2014. (Reporting by Daniel Fineren and Marcus George; editing by James Jukwey)

Iran to build refinery, supply gas to Pakistan in food barter

Iran has agreed to help build an oil refinery for Pakistan and supply its energy-hungry neighbour with natural gas in a barter deal for food, Iranian media reported on Thursday.

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[Maula Jatt]

This Offer Was Back in 2013

Iran to build refinery, supply gas to Pakistan in food barter​

* Iran to accept wheat, meat, rice as payment for fuel

* Pakistan president to sign MOU for refinery next week

DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Iran has agreed to help build an oil refinery for Pakistan and supply its energy-hungry neighbour with natural gas in a barter deal for food, Iranian media reported on Thursday.

Officials from the two countries agreed on Wednesday that Iran would help Pakistan State Oil (PSO) build a refinery and accept wheat, meat and rice as payment for fuel produced, Fars news agency reported a Pakistani energy official as saying.


Iran, which has huge reserves of gas but exports little due to sanctions, has also agreed to complete Pakistan’s part of a long-planned gas pipeline and accept payment in food for gas supplied through it.

“We had very good meetings and we had a lot of bilateral talks especially on Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project and setting up oil refinery at Gwadar with PSO,” Pakistani official Asim Hussain was quoted by Iran’s state news agency IRNA as saying after a meeting with Iranian oil minister Rostam Qasemi.

Iranian media said Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari would sign a memorandum of understanding for the 400,000 barrel per day (bpd) refinery at Gwadar, on the coast of Pakistan near the border with Iran when he visits Tehran next week.

Pakistan is increasingly reliant on fuel imports, while western sanctions have made it difficult for Iran to export crude oil or repatriate the funds from what it can sell.

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Iran has already laid its part of a long-planned gas pipeline to Pakistan. But Islamabad, under pressure from Washington, has been slow to start work.

Tired of waiting, Iran has now agreed to help build the 750-km pipeline across Pakistan, deputy minister of petroleum for gas, Javad Oji was quoted by Iranian oil ministry website Shana as saying after Wednesday’s meeting.

Oji said the two sides had agreed that the pipeline would be completed in time to start delivery of 21.5 million cubic metres of gas per day to Pakistan by December 2014. (Reporting by Daniel Fineren and Marcus George; editing by James Jukwey)

Iran to build refinery, supply gas to Pakistan in food barter

Iran has agreed to help build an oil refinery for Pakistan and supply its energy-hungry neighbour with natural gas in a barter deal for food, Iranian media reported on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

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