Operation Mosul- Updates & Discussions

[Melkor]

Good news let them tell erdo you are no one and we will kick your asss.

I have no doubt that you are a feral Iraqi cave troll. Your misplaced pride is mind boggling but your misplaced arrogance begs belief. Iraq, even with its Farsi overlords could never ever kick Turkey's arse!

 

[DemirkanTR]

Lol, that's not fools that's protecting your airspace from unauthorized aircraft flying overhead to disrupt/oppose operations against IS, perhaps providing intel to IS.

It's unfortunate that the dictator in Turkey only knows force, if some HQ-9 were active he wouldn't violate the airspace, another option is to abide by laws.

Look at tribe monkey who tries to give us lecture about democracy and dictatorship.

Go suck assholes of mullahs! While your puppet president tries to suck *** of obama but fails to reach, lol!

 

[f1000n]

Look at tribe monkey who tries to give us lecture about democracy and dictatorship.

Go suck assholes of mullahs! While your puppet president tries to suck *** of obama but fails to reach, lol!

lol, that aside.

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It seems Turkish news agencies/state are covering up real information about Turkmen in Iraq and their status within the ISF/PMF, with regards to the Tal Afar operation. Turkish members on this thread turned out to be very uninformed about the Turkmens in Iraq. Turkish media not informing them about this is not a surprise given that it wouldn't serve his interests that Turkmen local fighters are spearheading the attack, doesn't provide him with the excuse to complain about non existing atrocities.

 

[A friend]

man you guys are talking with ppl who are like IS.. one groub has the color x the other groub the color y this is the difference.. maybe you all will learn it one day .. no communication is possible with them .. in my opinoin you can talk with IS and it would be more possible to reach them than one of those above..

If you ignore them knowing that they talk BS Will not stop other naïve members from reading that and actually believing that.

 

[Timur]

If you ignore them knowing that they talk BS Will not stop other naïve members from reading that and actually believing that.

they wont stop talking bullshit..

Turkmen local fighters are spearheading

shia militias are using them as cannon fodder like in syria afghans are used.. nothing special about that..

 

[f1000n]

they wont stop talking bullshit..




shia militias are using them as cannon fodder like in syria afghans are used.. nothing special about that..

yes.. their own brigades commanded by their own turkmen leader using themselves as cannon fodder, this is what I call bullshit comments.

 

[Timur]

yes.. their own brigades commanded by their own turkmen leader using themselves as cannon fodder, this is what I call bullshit comments.

oh I underesiminated your evilness.. you are more evil than I thought by controlling them with pseudo leaders..

 

[A friend]

they wont stop talking bullshit.

I know that and that isn't my point. If you expose their lies other members will have a hard time believing their lies.

 

[f1000n]

bleez dont exbose my lies

 

[Hamzza]

Good news let them tell erdo you are no one and we will kick your asss.

You are funny, maybe you Iraqis should be comedians instead of fighters because you clearly suck at that job.

 

[f1000n]

You are funny, maybe you Iraqis should be comedians instead of fighters because you clearly suck at that job.

Being 'good fighters' by nature is mostly nationalistic nonsense.

But if we go by that Turkey hasn't achieved or done anything militarily in modern times that Iraq hasn't achieved/done. Iraq fought a larger neighboring state to start with, Turkey didn't. Taking half of Cyprus equals Iraq taking Kuwait, that's a joke.

 

[Hamzza]

Being 'good fighters' by nature is mostly nationalistic nonsense.

But if we go by that Turkey hasn't achieved or done anything militarily in modern times that Iraq hasn't achieved/done. Iraq fought a larger neighboring state to start with, Turkey didn't. Taking half of Cyprus equals Iraq taking Kuwait, that's a joke.

Turkey always had and always will have more military power and achievements than Iraq. You guys ran away from Mosul like rats and only got the courage to go back with other forces, and now it's come to a point where your government threatens Turkey with war (he must be joking).

Watch your tongue before Republic of Turkey makes a great military achievement in your country .

 

[f1000n]

Turkey always had and always will have more military power and achievements than Iraq. You guys ran away from Mosul like rats and only got the courage to go back with other forces, and now it's come to a point where your government threatens Turkey with war (he must be joking).

Iraq's 2014 collapse was completely due to political factors not military factors. For this reason certain military units that are not tied to the affected chain of command were not subject to this collapse, ISOF is the biggest example of that. They managed to remain operational and successfully defended strategic sites whilst being besieged by IS for months, one site in Baiji for 12 months. Read to gain an insight about the 2012-2016 military developments and the 2014 collapse: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/David-Witty-Paper_Final_Web.pdf

There's no other ground forces aiding the ISF/PMF offensive, they're all locals. US air support might as well be seen as them filling the gap of the Iraqi air force which doesn't wield enough equipment. Though recently the Iraqi army aviation/air force has been far more active than the coalition air force. An example of this was the massive IS convoy retreating from Fallujah a few months ago. As per US led coalition statement.

"When strikes from both Iraqi and coalition air hit the convoy, the Daesh fighters abandoned their vehicles and fled on foot," he said. "We estimate coalition strikes destroyed approximately 120 Daesh vehicles. Again, we know the Iraqi security forces destroyed more."

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/30/middleeast/iraq-militants-airstrike/

Watch your tongue before Republic of Turkey makes a great military achievement in your country .

Targeting countries occupied with other wars and/or weakened by former wars is not impressive.

-The Cyprus operation is comparable to Iraq annexing Kuwait, that's targeting a far smaller state.
-In 1990 Turkey called on NATO to defend Turkey from a possible Iraqi attack.
-The Euphrates shield operation which is mostly spearheaded by the FSA either way has already resulted in several Turkish tanks being destroyed by what some of you call a rag tag force.
-The war on the PKK could actually be described a stalemate, mostly relying on airstrikes either way.

No it's not impressive actually, it's nothing special. Turkey has yet to fight a neighbor/state of its own size in modern history. That would be Iran or Egypt for example, would you cakewalk that? You wouldn't win.

@Hamzza

To give another example about the first part of my post referring to the political collapse and not a military collapse we can use Turkey as an example. The 2016 coup attempt by parts of the military, this can be described as another form of a political collapse when you saw Turkish soldiers surrendering / beaten by coup protesters. The difference in Iraq was that it took place on a much larger scale and the opponents weren't protesters, the opponent was an armed group (IS).

Either way as usual all I encounter here is a retarded response, call yourself a wolf if it makes you feel tough lol.

 

[Baybars Han]

Iraq's 2014 collapse was completely due to political factors not military factors. For this reason certain military units that are not tied to the affected chain of command were not subject to this collapse, ISOF is the biggest example of that. They managed to remain operational and successfully defended strategic sites whilst being besieged by IS for months, one site in Baiji for 12 months. Read to gain an insight about the 2012-2016 military developments and the 2014 collapse: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/David-Witty-Paper_Final_Web.pdf

There's no other ground forces aiding the ISF/PMF offensive, they're all locals. US air support might as well be seen as them filling the gap of the Iraqi air force which doesn't wield enough equipment. Though recently the Iraqi army aviation/air force has been far more active than the coalition air force. An example of this was the massive IS convoy retreating from Fallujah a few months ago. As per US led coalition statement.

"When strikes from both Iraqi and coalition air hit the convoy, the Daesh fighters abandoned their vehicles and fled on foot," he said. "We estimate coalition strikes destroyed approximately 120 Daesh vehicles. Again, we know the Iraqi security forces destroyed more."

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/30/middleeast/iraq-militants-airstrike/



Targeting countries occupied with other wars and/or weakened by former wars is not impressive.

-The Cyprus operation is comparable to Iraq annexing Kuwait, that's targeting a far smaller state.
-In 1990 Turkey called on NATO to defend Turkey from a possible Iraqi attack.
-The Euphrates shield operation which is mostly spearheaded by the FSA either way has already resulted in several Turkish tanks being destroyed by what some of you call a rag tag force.
-The war on the PKK could actually be described a stalemate, mostly relying on airstrikes either way.

No it's not impressive actually, it's nothing special. Turkey has yet to fight a neighbor/state of its own size in modern history. That would be Iran or Egypt for example, would you cakewalk that? You wouldn't win.

@Hamzza

To give another example about the first part of my post referring to the political collapse and not a military collapse we can use Turkey as an example. The 2016 coup attempt by parts of the military, this can be described as another form of a political collapse when you saw Turkish soldiers surrendering / beaten by coup protesters. The difference in Iraq was that it took place on a much larger scale and the opponents weren't protesters, the opponent was an armed group (IS).

Either way as usual all I encounter here is a retarded response, call yourself a wolf if it makes you feel tough lol.

Lol your a joke. Comparing artificial Iraq to us is the biggest insult. To make you happy let's go and start wars right? How stupid can someone be its unbelievable. Pal your country is in ruins, you have no unity, a quarter of your country is semi independent, isis with their Toyota trucks ran over Iraq army with thousands of tanks and humvees and helicopters. At the moment we are fighting inside borders in East, in Iraq with cross border operations and helping fsa at the same time, all this a couple months after the coup when more than 10k soldiers and half the top tier generals left and so many pilots gone.


Ok everyone tomorow we going to fight a country our size tomorow to please this f1000 member.

Seriously though comparing our military history to most countries in the world is incomparable. Not having much wars is actually the achievement that you don't seem to understand. It's called deterrence, but i doubt you will understand. Wars don't bring anything in this century other than destruction.

 

[Hamzza]

Iraq's 2014 collapse was completely due to political factors not military factors. For this reason certain military units that are not tied to the affected chain of command were not subject to this collapse, ISOF is the biggest example of that. They managed to remain operational and successfully defended strategic sites whilst being besieged by IS for months, one site in Baiji for 12 months. Read to gain an insight about the 2012-2016 military developments and the 2014 collapse: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/David-Witty-Paper_Final_Web.pdf

There's no other ground forces aiding the ISF/PMF offensive, they're all locals. US air support might as well be seen as them filling the gap of the Iraqi air force which doesn't wield enough equipment. Though recently the Iraqi army aviation/air force has been far more active than the coalition air force. An example of this was the massive IS convoy retreating from Fallujah a few months ago. As per US led coalition statement.

"When strikes from both Iraqi and coalition air hit the convoy, the Daesh fighters abandoned their vehicles and fled on foot," he said. "We estimate coalition strikes destroyed approximately 120 Daesh vehicles. Again, we know the Iraqi security forces destroyed more."

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/30/middleeast/iraq-militants-airstrike/



Targeting countries occupied with other wars and/or weakened by former wars is not impressive.

-The Cyprus operation is comparable to Iraq annexing Kuwait, that's targeting a far smaller state.
-In 1990 Turkey called on NATO to defend Turkey from a possible Iraqi attack.
-The Euphrates shield operation which is mostly spearheaded by the FSA either way has already resulted in several Turkish tanks being destroyed by what some of you call a rag tag force.
-The war on the PKK could actually be described a stalemate, mostly relying on airstrikes either way.

No it's not impressive actually, it's nothing special. Turkey has yet to fight a neighbor/state of its own size in modern history. That would be Iran or Egypt for example, would you cakewalk that? You wouldn't win.

@Hamzza

To give another example about the first part of my post referring to the political collapse and not a military collapse we can use Turkey as an example. The 2016 coup attempt by parts of the military, this can be described as another form of a political collapse when you saw Turkish soldiers surrendering / beaten by coup protesters. The difference in Iraq was that it took place on a much larger scale and the opponents weren't protesters, the opponent was an armed group (IS).

Either way as usual all I encounter here is a retarded response, call yourself a wolf if it makes you feel tough lol.

If you are already at a war don't be foolish enough to threaten a much more powerful country with war.
Turkey could've taken all of Cyrpus if it wanted to, ofcourse it's a smaller and much weaker state but that is not the reason why Turkey invaded it in the first place?

In todays modern warfare tanks are extremely vulnerable, multiple Russian tanks have even been taken out by ATGMS (not talking about Syrian T-90's). Multiple Iraqi M1 Abrams taken out by ISIS SVBIED's and ATGMS as well.

War on PKK would've ended years ago, but thanks to funding from other nations they are still up and running! (How do they acquire crap loads of ATGMS and MANPADS?). Guerrilla warfare is different from an actual war. It's all hit and run after they catch you offguard (just like Soviets getting stomped by guerilla-style warfare from taliban).