Operation Blue Star -Sikh Holocaust 1984

[Gabbar]

Its actually a sikh police chief named KPS Gill took on the sikh militancy and crushed it for ever.

He is a mass murderer. He even killed the families of "alleged" terrorists. He had created groups called "CATS" or police cats. They would kill any person who's name even came up in police file. I can provid many examples where police took medals for killing a hard come militent and 20 years later that hard comre militent surfeced in Canda or US and even India. Who were those people that got killed then?

To understand the whole thing you have go back to 1947, that's where all it began. What Nehru and M.Gandhi promised, what happed when they created Punjab, What happened in 1978, why army attacked on the one of holliest day on Sikh calender (Martyr day of Sikhs 5th guru).

It's shame what IA and Indian leadership did that day. Lots of Gurudwaras are in Pakistan and even all of the wars, Pakistani army have never steppted inside Sikh gurudware with thier boots.

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I am sure that you are completely ignorant of the fact that Lt.Gen.K.S.Brar (who was in charge of Operation Bluestar) is a SIKH himself.

His uncle has warned him that if ever come infrom him he will shoot him personaly. He is living under very tight secuirty since 1984. Militents are still in hunt for him.

 

[Patriot]

He is a mass murderer. He even killed the families of "alleged" terrorists. He had created groups called "CATS" or police cats. They would kill any person who's name even came up in police file. I can provid many examples where police took medals for killing a hard come militent and 20 years later that hard comre militent surfeced in Canda or US and even India. Who were those people that got killed then?

To understand the whole thing you have go back to 1947, that's where all it began. What Nehru and M.Gandhi promised, what happed when they created Punjab, What happened in 1978, why army attacked on the one of holliest day on Sikh calender (Martyr day of Sikhs 5th guru).

It's shame what IA and Indian leadership did that day. Lots of Gurudwaras are in Pakistan and even all of the wars, Pakistani army have never steppted inside Sikh gurudware with thier boots.

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His uncle has warned him that if ever come infrom him he will shoot him personaly. He is living under very tight secuirty since 1984. Militents are still in hunt for him.

Why did Army attack on one of holliest day on Sikh calender?Could they not wait for a day?Also I dont know much about situation but how many terrorists were there..why they had to use this kind of force?

 

[Gabbar]

It is an internal matter for India, just like Baluchistan is an internal issue for Pakistan.

Word internal is being used a lot lately since China rioting I see. But nothing is internal in globalization. It's globalvillage in this day of age. If Canadain christians start killing muslims from Pakistan even though they are born there, I pretty sure world would not sit silencly under the banner of "internal problem".

The Indian Sikh's could have sided with Pakistan in 1947, they could have sided with the Muslim League, instead we had trains full of massacred migrants (by militant Sikhs) showing up at our railway stations.

There were many scenarios that could of happend, India could of stayed together, Sikhs could of had thier own state etc. As far as trains are concerned, claims are being on both sides that other guys started. Who do you believe? When I was a kid, our elders use to tell us who trians with bodies started arrive from the other side? Should I just believe blindly here or what?

AFAIK, with their actions they chose to become a part of the Indian Union, and if they had concerns later, they should have been handled in a peaceful manner using the political process and avenues afforded them under the Indian constitution.

Sikhs were promised automomous state with in India. India would of been responsible for defence, foreign affairs etc. What nehru changed his mind and said "time has changed".

Studying the history of the operation is fine and open for comment (since it is a historical event).

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Why did Army attack on one of holliest day on Sikh calender?Could they not wait for a day?Also I dont know much about situation but how many terrorists were there..why they had to use this kind of force was used?

Don't for sure why would they pci that day. When hundereds of pilgrims would be arriving that day. Remember punjab is strated with spies at this moment, I am pretty sure they knew what day it was. There were hundereds of militents along with Brigadier General (rtd.) First they sent in a commando units which was mowed down by terrorits and amry sent in tanks after they panickd. They wanted to capture it before daylight. During daylight, amry would of been sitting ducks in the complex.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Word internal is being used a lot lately since China rioting I see. But nothing is internal in globalization. It's globalvillage in this day of age. If Canadain christians start killing muslims from Pakistan even though they are born there, I pretty sure world would not sit silencly under the banner of "internal problem".

By internal I do not mean that the global community should not voice opinions about it, but it should also respect the sovereignty of the nation in which said problems are occurring.

There were many scenarios that could of happend, India could of stayed together, Sikhs could of had thier own state etc. As far as trains are concerned, claims are being on both sides that other guys started. Who do you believe? When I was a kid, our elders use to tell us who trians with bodies started arrive from the other side? Should I just believe blindly here or what?

I did not mean to suggest that atrocities were one sided, just that the Sikhs obviously chose against the idea of Pakistan and partition, and therefore chose the Indian Union.

Sikhs were promised automomous state with in India. India would of been responsible for defence, foreign affairs etc. What nehru changed his mind and said "time has changed".

Nehru backtracked on a lot of issues - I point out his backtracking on the plebiscite in Kashmir a lot for example. I think he was the least honorable of all the Independence figures from India and Pakistan.

But at the same time, I do not think that violence to achieve those rights was the right answer, though I also do not think that the extent of violence used by the state to suppress dissent was justified or acceptable.

 

[afriend]

He is a mass murderer. He even killed the families of "alleged" terrorists. He had created groups called "CATS" or police cats. They would kill any person who's name even came up in police file. I can provid many examples where police took medals for killing a hard come militent and 20 years later that hard comre militent surfeced in Canda or US and even India. Who were those people that got killed then?

To understand the whole thing you have go back to 1947, that's where all it began. What Nehru and M.Gandhi promised, what happed when they created Punjab, What happened in 1978, why army attacked on the one of holliest day on Sikh calender (Martyr day of Sikhs 5th guru).

It's shame what IA and Indian leadership did that day. Lots of Gurudwaras are in Pakistan and even all of the wars, Pakistani army have never steppted inside Sikh gurudware with thier boots.

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His uncle has warned him that if ever come infrom him he will shoot him personaly. He is living under very tight secuirty since 1984. Militents are still in hunt for him.

Hey you should also be aware of the lal masijid where mushraf rampaged the militants who was sheltered there..!!! The whole point is.. for godsake.. keep religion for yourselves.... People have been killing each others for some distorted belief they have about A religion.. one who cannot love a fellow human being.. is a militant no matter how religious he is..!! If you are a sikh muslim or a hindu.. FIRST LEARN TO LOVE PEOPLE MAN..!!!!

And i know sikhs did just that.. they hated the person responsible for destruction of golden temple and killed that peron... but i believe if some people still hold the grudge against any community for that.. i would say they are reall a... hls...

The concept of India wont succeed without particiipation of all the diverse cultures that we have... and i respect Sikhs for the way they have integrated themselves. But i hate those people who still carry on those message of khalistan or terrorism abroad..!!!!.. India doesnt hate any particular religion.. i hope people get that picture.. and i am talking about the concept of india before 1947.. coz the present pakistan have too lost lot people of people because of the internal religious extrimists callled taliban..!!! The whole point is why the hell do we bring religion to everything we talk about..and the why then hell we got diveded in first place..!!!! And it all boils down to religion man..!!! We will never be a gr8 nation man.. if the soul existence of our country is religion..!!!

 

[Gabbar]

Hey you should also be aware of the lal masijid where mushraf rampaged the militants who was sheltered there..!!! The whole point is.. for godsake.. keep religion for yourselves.... People have been killing each others for some distorted belief they have about A religion.. one who cannot love a fellow human being.. is a militant no matter how religious he is..!! If you are a sikh muslim or a hindu.. FIRST LEARN TO LOVE PEOPLE MAN..!!!!

I can see your point afriend but tell me how would muslims feel if a christian army went into Mecca complex to clear alleged militents?

And i know sikhs did just that.. they hated the person responsible for destruction of golden temple and killed that peron... but i believe if some people still hold the grudge against any community for that.. i would say they are reall a... hls...

They hold a grudge that 25000 got killed after the Gandhi death and no an single person is in the jail lfor that after 25 years.

The concept of India wont succeed without particiipation of all the diverse cultures that we have... and i respect Sikhs for the way they have integrated themselves. But i hate those people who still carry on those message of khalistan or terrorism abroad..!!!!.. India doesnt hate any particular religion.. i hope people get that picture.. and i am talking about the concept of india before 1947.. coz the present pakistan have too lost lot people of people because of the internal religious extrimists callled taliban..!!! The whole point is why the hell do we bring religion to everything we talk about..and the why the hell we got diveded in first place..!!!!

India is the most religiolus state. When in comes to religion people get harder than stone. Religion comes to this argument because it was attack on a religious instalation and worshiped by millions of peole. It's natural to have anger when you destroy something very close to peole's hart and no one got punished for that.

 

[afriend]

I can see your point afriend but tell me how would muslims feel if a christian army went into Mecca complex to clear alleged militents?

Then again you are just justifiying my point. If a person from our own reliigion kill a person inside our own religoius place.. you kill that person.. but if a person from other community kills a person of other religion then yes thats the reason to kill the entire community..!!!!

They hold a grude taht 25000 got killed after the Gandhi death and no an single person is in the jair lfor that after 25 years.

I believe the people who killed 25000 people doesn't belong to any particular religion but a particular so called secular party of todays times named congress.. many still vote for them..!!! and a sikh is their leader..!!!! Got the irony????

India is the most religiolus state. When in comes to religion people get harder than stone. Religion comes to this argument because it was attack on a religious instalation and worshiped by millions of peole. It's natural to have anger when you destroy something very close to peole's hart and no one got punished for that.

I am not billitling the anger that people have seeing their religious place destroyed...!!! But what i am saying is that.. if you cant get the concept of humanity then what is the use of religion!! You said india was religious.. then why the hell is BJP is not able to build the Ram temple in ayodhya for which babri was destroyed.. the destruction of babri caught india by surprise and hence it was destroyed.. now let me see any RSS or VHP Aholes near the babri site trying to build a temple there.. they will be fried then and there brother..!!!!!

 

[Gabbar]

Then again you are just justifiying my point. If a person from our own reliigion kill a person inside our own religoius place.. you kill that person.. but if a person from other community kills a person of other religion then yes thats the reason to kill the entire community..!!!!

I appologize but I failed to see your point.

believe the people who killed 25000 people doesn't belong to any particular religion but a particular so called secular party of todays times named congress.. many still vote for them..!!! and a sikh is their leader..!!!! Got the irony????

Not once and Not once I have blamed Hindus for this. It was a state sponsered act. I can see the irony but he is one who made an appology for the 1984, it took 25 years and Sikh to make an appology, see my point.

I am not billitling the anger that people have seeing their religious place destroyed...!!! But what i am saying is that.. if you cant get the concept of humanity then what is the use of religion!! You said india was religious.. then why the hell is BJP is not able to build the Ram temple in ayodhya for which babri was destroyed.. the destruction of babri caught india by surprise and hence it was destroyed.. now let me see any RSS or VHP Aholes near the babri site trying to build a temple there.. they will be fried then and there brother..!!!!!

I said religious state not religious fanatics, even though they exist in India. It is Indian educated and moderen people who are keeping BJP, RSS and VHP at bay but they are gaining forces. And remeber there is different between worshipng your religions and worshinp and following the concept/message of your relgion. If you just worship religion it self and dont care about the message, you have missed the hole point of the religion.

 

[notsuperstitious]

If I bring in machine guns into a religious place, I'm disrespecting it. Boots are just protective shield for feet, they don't disrespect religious places when they are there to kick out the guns.

The govt of india used excessive force to defeat the insurgency. But then its one of the handful cases in the world when insurgency was completely defeated.

 

[afriend]

I appologize but I failed to see your point.

The point is.. see the situation as it is and not through the prism of religion. And i appreciate that you can call a spade a spade. But your hate is towards the system or to the perpetrators of those who destroyed golden temple without any reference to any religion. And i respect the secularism in your hate . But yes it was an unfortunate incident in our country's existence.. you are willing to sacrifice your life for the country.. where in you are sacrificing the greatest love that you have and that is of your parents.. i wish people have such feelings regarding the religious structures too where in they can put the same in line for the sake of your country and its existence

Not once and Not once I have blamed Hindus for this. It was a state sponsered act. I can see the irony but he is one who made an appology for the 1984, it took 25 years and Sikh to make an appology, see my point.

Hmm.. i see your point, then again you don't learn to walk without falling. But if someone still blame for the fall that you had while learning to walk then i think thats not justified. And thats just an argument and i still love it when people put their country before their religion.

I said religious state not religious fanatics, even though they exist in India. It is Indian educated and moderen people who are keeping BJP, RSS and VHP at bay but they are gaining forces. And remeber there is different between worshipng your religions and worshinp and following the concept/message of your relgion. If you just worship religion it self and dont care about the message, you have missed the hole point of the religion.

Yes thats what i am talking about.. the message..!! If we get that then there is no question of this issue coming up again and again..!!!! Expect for the point that justice needs to be delivered to the people massacred during the riots.. and not for the destruction of the religious place. And hey its not just the educated and the modern people who keeps these forces at bay.. but the poor people of this country which forms the majority and without whom any party can come into power.

 

[IBM]

Hi Everybody. I myself is Sikh. I was in Delhi in 1984. I used to live in 4 storey apparment. The hindu mob knew that we live there and they came to kill us. I was 6 yrs old at that time. We lived in 4th floor and all three floors were occupied by sindhi hindu family. They saved us from that mob. So all hindus are not at fault . The mob who came to kill us was from lower section of society who lives in delhi slums. There motive was to kill and rape sikh women and loot there stuff They have nothing to do with Indra Gandhi's death. Its just they were assured by some leaders who want cheap publicity, that they can do wat ever they want with sikhs for 3 days. sad event.

 

[Jatt Boy]

Real Punjab -



In UT Chandigarh, according to leading Punjabi newspaper Ajit, 38% DSP rank, 48% inspector rank, only 1 Punjabi above DSP rank, IG, DIG, SP, Vigilance, ASP Centre all higher officials from Haryana, Delhi, UP.

Bhakra Dam allowed 170 lakh acre feet of water to Rajasthan without asking Akali Govt. UT Chandigarh got 292 lakh unit extra electricity from Punjab (again w.o permission) at just 1.40 crore INR, market price is 21 crore INR. Punjab is buying elec. from other states at 6.90 INR / unit. We face 8-12hrs cuts daily.

Rajasthan got 2Lakh, 32 thousand cusecs water 'daily', farmers in Punjab are commiting suicide.

GOI should look into this, its only matter of time, Chandigarh will go in Haryana's favour.

In India’s Punjab region, going abroad is a son’s only duty. Good people settled in Canada etc, Politicians are corrupt, at this pace Punjab will vanish from India's map in next 20yrs, surveys will keep showing it richest state in India, highest no. of mercedes sold here.

 

[Peshwa]

Hi Everybody. I myself is Sikh. I was in Delhi in 1984. I used to live in 4 storey apparment. The hindu mob knew that we live there and they came to kill us. I was 6 yrs old at that time. We lived in 4th floor and all three floors were occupied by sindhi hindu family. They saved us from that mob. So all hindus are not at fault . The mob who came to kill us was from lower section of society who lives in delhi slums. There motive was to kill and rape sikh women and loot there stuff They have nothing to do with Indra Gandhi's death. Its just they were assured by some leaders who want cheap publicity, that they can do wat ever they want with sikhs for 3 days. sad event.

Sorry to hear this brother.....makes me sick to even think about the sliminess of our politicians.....

Thanks for sharing this story with us.....

 

[paritosh]

whatever happened that sad day was bad and a slap on the concept of secularism.Congress leaders have publicly apologized to the sikh community although it doesnt move $hit.My dad tells me stories as to how jagdish tytler and the other congress leaders paid the Bihari settlers in delhi to kill the sardars.What happened was for me even worse than whatever happened in partition....for we were killing our own people....and as Gabbar rightly puts it..it cannot be forgotten.
the picture of today's India is quite different.Sikhs and hindus are socially deeply entangled...any sikh would tell you about it.

 

[A1Kaid]

Operation Blue Star 1984 and the Sikhs A Documentary

Documentary covers Indira Gandhu, Operation Blue Star, Media blackout Sikh freedom cause, invasion and desecration of Sikh Holy Temple, Hindu rioters killing Sikh families.