Open Debate l Ex-UAE Mirage 2000-9s for PAF, aye or nay ?

[544_delta]

no to mirages....buy f-18s from Australia

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Aeronaut

Certainly not, we should expand our F-16 fleet and replace our Mirages/F-7s with true 4++ Gen Thunders.

• We will save money by maintaining two platforms instead of three.
• PAF has vast experience with the F-16s and none with Mirage-2000-9s.
• Turkey helps us with the maintenance/upgradation of our F-16 fleet whereas we will have to turn to the French for spares and all that comes with its own set of problems such as very high costs and pressure from India.
• The money we spend on these new Mirages will be better spent on Thunder related R&D.

 

[he-man]

Actually Indian M2000s are under going upgrades, UAE ones are already the latest ones. So if PAF does get them, it would be a huge boost. You can literally neutralize the threat by IAF, as now you have an equal aircraft and you know it inside out. I think it's best that PAF seeks loans or whatever way to pay these aircraft. Them ending up IAF would be a huge disaster.

Agreed,,it would be great help to pakistan.
India should have got them,,,stupid decision.

I say we should get them now too.....................not too late

 

[Faqir M. Abdullah]

Sir , Pakistan Should NOT Buy these aircraft.
1)They are already operated by India
2)They are old and Rusty.
3)They will need maintenance.
4)Our Enemy already has a lot of Practice with those Birds.
5)French will satisfy Indians before they satisfy us regarding Upgrades/Weaponry.
6)It will be better if the Deal of J-10 aircraft is executed.
J-10 Block 2 All the Way!

 

[Luftwaffe]

Sir , Pakistan Should NOT Buy these aircraft.
1)They are already operated by India
2)They are old and Rusty.
3)They will need maintenance.
4)Our Enemy already has a lot of Practice with those Birds.
5)French will satisfy Indians before they satisfy us regarding Upgrades/Weaponry.
6)It will be better if the Deal of J-10 aircraft is executed.
J-10 Block 2 All the Way!

So? F-16s are operated by israel and U.A.E, F-15s by saudis and israel.

How do you know those aircrafts are rusty they have been upgraded in mid 2000's completed over hauled refurbished along with additional new M-2000-9 delivered, do you not think french would have or U.A.E would have purchased spares. Even your bike or car needs repairs every now and than. Israel has extensive research and analysis on Mig-21, Mig-29, su-27 and it won't be surprising they having information on F-14s. So what if french satisfy indians I can tell you U.A.E is a country that is holding french by the balls france is dieing to strike for land, air sea equipment sales. J-10 deal has been terminated in favor of long term JF-17 program.

 

[Viper 94]

PAF would be better of buy F-16s like it did from Jordan
countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Norway even US etc are going to be getting rid of their F-16s as they replace them with f-35 these f-16s would be relatively cheap and considering how much experience PAF has had with this aircraft no new training will be required for a different platform

as a replace for f-16s which is in around 2025 PAF should really consider a dedicated air superiority fighter like typhoon, f-15 silent eagle, or join in with the Chinese with their stealth fighter program

 

[ejaz007]

My vote is Yes. These fighters could replace earlier model F-7/Mirage III.

 

[Faqir M. Abdullah]

So? F-16s are operated by israel and U.A.E, F-15s by saudis and israel.

How do you know those aircrafts are rusty they have been upgraded in mid 2000's completed over hauled refurbished along with additional new M-2000-9 delivered, do you not think french would have or U.A.E would have purchased spares. Even your bike or car needs repairs every now and than. Israel has extensive research and analysis on Mig-21, Mig-29, su-27 and it won't be surprising they having information on F-14s. So what if french satisfy indians I can tell you U.A.E is a country that is holding french by the balls france is dieing to strike for land, air sea equipment sales. J-10 deal has been terminated in favor of long term JF-17 program.

Well , I wouldn't wrong you , Yes Agreed that they are being upgraded regularly , I still think that Pakistan co-operation with Chengdu is a better option , It doesn't mean I think that the Miraage is a bad option , It's just a matter of opinion mate.

 

[SBD-3]

Why are we so keen to bring a dead subject alive? Mir-2000s are long behind us. PAF has done so, Its about time for people on this forum do so as well.

 

[Faqir M. Abdullah]

So? F-16s are operated by israel and U.A.E, F-15s by saudis and israel.

How do you know those aircrafts are rusty they have been upgraded in mid 2000's completed over hauled refurbished along with additional new M-2000-9 delivered, do you not think french would have or U.A.E would have purchased spares. Even your bike or car needs repairs every now and than. Israel has extensive research and analysis on Mig-21, Mig-29, su-27 and it won't be surprising they having information on F-14s. So what if french satisfy indians I can tell you U.A.E is a country that is holding french by the balls france is dieing to strike for land, air sea equipment sales. J-10 deal has been terminated in favor of long term JF-17 program.

Okay, I would have arguments with you on the topic, and I change my opinion if somebody has a better argument, I chose J-10 because It has better powerful engine with more thrust and Torque , It can carry more missiles as It has 11 Hard-points compared to 9 of Mirage's, greater service ceiling , and wing-load capability and has higher climb rate than Mirage.
Okay Mirage has great avionics and is NOT a bad plane at all , in fact is a quite a superior plane , also has the experience of Dassault behind it , but J-10 Block 2 is quite remarkably a good plane too , also , they are newer , and as good as Mirage or even better.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Goal for Pakistan should be 150 F-16s, 250 JF-17s, 50 J-20s and 100 J-31s, with some number of F-7s if possible.

150 F-16s If we can get them from any country. Most of them F-16As to save money for J-20s and J-31s.
250 JF-17s all should be atleast block 2, if all are block 3 that would be good for PAF.
50 J-20s because J-31 might not be available sooner. Final number should be 75 J-20s after the purchase of 100 J-31s.
100 J-31s atleast. 150 J-31s should be the goal.
50-75 F-7s if we have money to maintain them. We can replace them with other jets later.

We should work on JF-17s now and wait for F-16s, J-20s and J-31s to become available. If there there is a delay in getting F-16s, J-20s and J-31s then go for 50 J-10s. Mirage 2000-9 should be last choice for PAF.

 

[tarrar]

The question PAF needs to ask itself, what they will do after 10 years? Only JF17 will be flying where as Mirage are old & dying, they need to be replaced with new era fighter jets, for me J10 B is the perfect pick to replace the old mirages. PAF also needs to understand that US will stop the supply of spare parts & we can see what is happening to old dying cobra's.

PAF does not need short term planning they need long term planning, they need to secure 50+ years from now, not 10 years like they have got from old F16's from Jordan. What will PAF do after 10 years?

Mirage & Cobras are all very old & are dying fast.

PAF front line attack fighter jet is only F16, which is BS & that needs to be replaced asap.

 

[khalifa786]

Rafale Deal is most dear to French now.

 

[Zhukov]

If we have option to acquire same number of Used F16s from somewhere i would prefer that. No doubt Mirage 2000 is a fine aircraft. But we already have the infrastructure to maintain F16s and have loads of experience with it as well.
Its not that simple to acquire a new platform. It will require a lot of training and infrastructure cost as well. F16s would be suited better. I read some where that USA is selling out there surplus F16s from older blocks. Why not acquire them and get them upgraded from TAI.
What you say?

Rafale Deal is most dear to French now.

Here we go again. France is not Russia. First stop your dear ally Israel from selling weapons to China. Even Russia sells more hardware and shares more technology to china then India. Stop this Wishful thinking that you can intimidate 3rd largest defense industry by simply buying a weapon system from them.
Even this Indian pressure on Russia is a myth. Pakistan cannot buy from Russia due to American pressure and financial constraint and some people translate it as Russian Defense Industry are somehow DEPENDS on Indian for defense deals.
We even buy Mi17 RD93 from Your dear Russia and now Mi35 Mi26 and Mi28 Talks are in Progress.
I don't want to offend anyone but this attitude make me sick

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If we have option to acquire same number of Used F16s from somewhere i would prefer that. No doubt Mirage 2000 is a fine aircraft. But we already have the infrastructure to maintain F16s and have loads of experience with it as well.
Its not that simple to acquire a new platform. It will require a lot of training and infrastructure cost as well. F16s would be suited better. I read some where that USA is selling out there surplus F16s from older blocks. Why not acquire them and get them upgraded from TAI.
What you say?

Yes America might sell its old F-16s to us to fund its new F-35s.