One terrorist killed, two soldiers martyred in Waziristan operation: ISPR

[Syed1.]

Yaaaar this is becoming more and more frequent... reminding me of troubled times of yester years. Please Bajwa do something rather than just talking.

 

[Signalian]

Exactly we need new minds with better ideas to deal with terrorism since general raheel sharif has left I think no one has paid attention to tacits and the training regime is going down the drain no wonder we sit silently whenever someone robs a glacier from us all we do is camp at the bottom and say all is well you dont be nice to an infantryman our generals need a slap

RS started it and laid its foundation. Bajwa has done his bit and will carry on. Not every thing from COAS office will reach you.

Our generals are still living in Korean War Era

Korean war had no gunships but had a massive amphibious landing. At least give a relatable example

The syllabus they teach at PMA is fine. The problem lies with the superiors who think men are expendables. Troops are consistently killed in Balochistan due to lack of MRAPs and there has been no of the shelf procurement or in house indeginous MRAP development. Ever since Bajwa came into power everything has been blown to kingdom come. His extension was just icing on the top. He needs to pack his bag along with his cronies in the government.

MRAPs is the solution, yes and no since troops on foot are another story. COIN war is itself very draining on lives, material and resources. Military has to be sent everywhere, it stays even after the area is cleared. Its the civilian setup that needs to be updated with reforms and police.

They get their pay and other lavish facilities effortlessly why they step out of comfort zone think about protecting their men, give them up to date equipment and training..

Perks have gone down a lot, no pay raise last year. Military has to set a budget catering for serving as well as retired. Are you paying your taxes ? what about the rest of Pakistanis, are they paying their taxes?

 

[Safriz]

In other news our "Azad Adliya" released 200 terrorists last week....

I wonder why the military even brothers.
Let the judges do a suo moto with the terrorists.

 

[Signalian]

if still there wasn't a drone cover with patrol, than it's criminal negligence.
During the time of General Rahil Shrif, we pushed for hard for development of armed drones, what's the reasons for not using them now!

One patrol vehicle, one drone.
is that what you are suggesting ?

Have a look at boundary of North and South Waziristan area, check the area to be covered. Calculate patrols to be sent and drones over looking them.

 

[Blacklight]

In other news our "Azad Adliya" released 200 terrorists last week....

I wonder why the military even brothers.
Let the judges do a suo moto with the terrorists.

Better idea, give the judges to the terrorists.

 

[Signalian]

Yaaaar this is becoming more and more frequent... reminding me of troubled times of yester years. Please Bajwa do something rather than just talking.

Bajwa has asked the Pakistani forces to stand down ? is that what you are suggesting ?

You know the mentality is to jump on the head of the top man be it COAS or PM. Blame them directly, right ? It must be Bajwa who doesnt want PA to fight. Bajwa must have ordered to send in troops without cover. In fact, Bajwa knew that a certain patrol will be sent at a certain time in a certain area and he ensured that no cover is provided, right ? All the chain of command went missing between Bajwa and the soldiers. Bajwa was directing this patrol sitting inside GHQ.

One man can bring change to many General Bajwa needs to go he has made no effort in introducing new ideas tactics to the battle field we are using the development mode which raheel Sharif introduced he had changed the army completely but Bajwa is ruining it he is more interested in politics

Can Army please be allowed to hand over the cleared areas to Civil admin (If Civil admin is up to it)?

 

[Safriz]

Bajwa has asked the Pakistani forces to stand down ? is that what you are suggesting ?

You know the mentality is to jump on the head of the top man be it COAS or PM. Blame them directly, right ? It must be Bajwa who doesnt want PA to fight. Bajwa must have ordered to send in troops without cover. In fact, Bajwa knew that a certain patrol will be sent at a certain time in a certain area and he ensured that no cover is provided, right ? All the chain of command went missing between Bajwa and the soldiers. Bajwa was directing this patrol sitting inside GHQ.


Can Army please be allowed to hand over the cleared areas to Civil admin (If Civil admin is up to it)?

Many people here talk from their rear ends. Bother not.

 

[Thorough Pro]

It's not the generals who are fighting, it's the misplaced "Shoq-e-Shadat" and unnecessary bravado. Once you pick a weapon to defend the motherland, it is understood you are selfless and brave and not afraid to lay your life, but there is absolutely no need to unnecessarily waste your life fighting low life scums. why expose yourself? cheap drones with explosives and cameras should be used to take them out where the enemy is hiding behind cover and can ambush you.

Our generals are still living in Korean War Era

 

[Areesh]

Korean war had no gunships but had a massive amphibious landing. At least give a relatable example

I said the era and not the war

Yes, COAS has to be present everyehere, he goes in and directs the troops in every situation what to do, right ?
Corps Comd, Div Comd, Bde Comd, CO, 2IC and other staff positions dont have any say neither any command methods of their own right ?

By the way what guarantee can you have that if Bajwa hadn't got extension, soldiers wouldn't have lost their lives in Ops ?

And who is responsible to ask questions for continous casualties in one particular area from all these officers that you mentioned?

And what exactly Bajwa sahab has done to get a three years extension? What improvements he has brought in army's tactics and war fighting capability that he warranted an extension?

Yeah casualties could have happened with someone else as COAS too but at least we would have natural process of promotion working in the organization of the military

Many people here talk from their rear ends. Bother not.

I would like to thank you that you stopped yourself from saying anything racist in this thread

 

[Signalian]

I said the era and not the war

Still not relatable.

And who is responsible to ask questions for continous casualties in one particular area from all these officers that you mentioned?

You acknowledge there is a war going ? Good. Unfortunately this war will bring causalities. The Command and control issues orders to CO/OIC of formation. You may want to go and ask him how he planned for the Ops or the patrol to be conducted. I am sure he will be happy to display all the parameters to you including assets, resources, ammo, weapons and logistics at his disposal.

By the way, did you approach the Civil Administration that why Police and Frontier Constabulary have not been given the charge of this area and why Military has to show continuous presence in this area for patrolling ?

And what exactly Bajwa sahab has done to get a three years extension? What improvements he has brought in army's tactics and war fighting capability that he warranted an extension?

Would you like a presentation in ppt or would you rather be given access to files which hold information on Ops conducted in three major provinces of Pakistan which media does not know about ?

Yeah casualties could have happened with someone else as COAS too but at least we would have natural process of promotion working in the organization of the military

So your beef is on promotion of Generals, which honestly is not your concern neither anybody else's since you do not sit in such meetings held between Senior officers who not only look at ACRs or OEIs of officers but thoroughly examine his career and courses to see his potential for a certain rank. Neither are you entitled to visit MS Dte where posting orders come up for such officers. Don't bother about things which you have no idea about.

 

[tarrar]

PTM aka TTP with the help of India and other foreign powers are trying their very best to spread terrorism activities through out Pakistan. There should be no soft corner for PTM aka TTP at all.

 

[Metal 0-1]

All this is taught in PMA and recruiting centres. Then enhanced in courses and training after that.

Then why so many casualties? Just some terrorists fired on them even on a simple raid..

 

[PanzerKiel]

Preemption is always the ideal option, however , it is not always possible in real time situations.

 

[Signalian]

Then why so many casualties? Just some terrorists fired on them even on a simple raid..

Can dissect your Q, if you have all necessary details for an analysis. Otherwise i have already explained in previous posts

Our tactics need improvement so many casualties in simple gun fights

Our Govt needs to take responsibility of administering these areas, not sending Army for patrols. Army has done its job through different Ops, when will the civilian admin take over ?

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

How long we have to let india attack us thru terrorism, These soldiers are not potato or carrot where we clearly see indians are involve behind these terrorism, and we are not doing thing against it...
This is extremly a failure of our civilian gov to highlights, this is why all of other agencies wants to have democracy in Pak so they know bunch of incompetents are running 220 million people who fit for job.
i feel like everyone who wants something to happen about this 2 decade nonsense becoming "uncle kuin".