On Religious Hostilities, India Ranked Just Slightly Better Than Syria: Pew Study

[WhyCry]

Nope I'm lovin it!!!!

Its the whole reason for Partition and Pakistan

Indian Muslims have shut up about their so called secular republic and are humiliated where before they always used to argue about being equal citizens in a secular republic and how Partition was a mistake

Now they keep their heads down their own CMs are threatening to rape their dead women and they are being killed for eating meat


In your hindutva state you may not realise it but this is the basis of immense turmoil in the future within India, something I hope Pakistan takes advantage of

If you don't get what it is then it's your problem and please stop finding a justification of pakistan's existence on the map.

The secular fabric of India is made and maintained by Indians. Its upto them how to sustain it. They can be from any religion and not restricted to being Sanatan or Islam followers.

One point rightly said was "Its the whole reason for Partition and Pakistan" and its called Bangladesh. Well in the meantime since you are watching this episode, please sip on the indian tea and find other names for the new lines that india will create because Sindhurashtra is kinda too old.

 

[The_Showstopper]

but given the changing nature of technology, we now have a quick camera recording option in almost everyone's pocket, and we're talking about a billion + people here, there is more focus on it now and the media picks and chooses the clip they want to push viral to suit their narrative.

and what "sanghi" narrative ? it's an overused buzzword/slur at this stage, not many take it seriously anymore, good self goal there by the leftuddin trolli gang.

suit their narrative. So there is leftist narrative but no Sanghi narrative. Nature of technology did not change overnight. Mobile phones all of a sudden did not become available post 2014, they've been in India well before 2014.

sabka saath sabka vikas version ?

and no, I'm not religious, I don't want any kind of theocracy, I don't think that's happening either (for reasons that we're not allowed to discuss here so let's leave it at that.)

I would have wanted to know more about this sabka saath sabka vikas version? But since you don't wish to discuss, I am fine by it.

read something about Modi and Erdo getting along well at one of these silly G-20 or something summits, the kind where they all pose for a big group photo in some ridiculous ethnic garb in the end ?

it is indeed very much akin to comparing apples and oranges but theological debates are banned here, and I've been banned a lot, I don't want more

So you still are unable to explain me as to how you have to come to the conclusion that this comparison is more like that of Apples and Oranges? Not sure where does theology comes in here.

been that way forever, just more social media and technology now.

btw, Hindus etc don't have it easy in muslim neighborhoods either, you're not fooling anyone.

Facts are, that slowly as we may be, but we're actually improving as a group, there is no "rising/growing intolerance"

India is a diverse and tolerant society, you yourself are a testament to this fact.. we don't see too many Hindus from across the border on this forum, do we ? wonder why...

So as soon as we speak about Indian minorities, why is your lot so intent on bringing in our neighbours? I don't dispute the fact that India is diverse but that doesn't mean everything is rosy in our country and there is no discrimination or attacks against minorities.

 

[Laozi]

I told you Pakistan is moving in the other direction if you see the movement of our laws, civil society etc

Whilst India is moving and becoming hindutva and increasingly right wing with people at the highest level of government eager to invoke themselves in building temples and forcing religious requirements of Hindus on other communities

As an Indian, I am pretty happy to know the progress your country is making in the " other direction "

As far as Indian Hindutva is concerned it is not the word of God which cannot be altered or debated OR corrected, Hindus have lived amicably with others for thousand of years and will do the course correction sooner than later.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Its because they are not aware of it. Those who care, do care about the cows around them. Think like this, If someone said something derogatory about Islamic Prophet, the person will be jailed and there will be no outrage among the liberals. But if the person uses derogatory remarks while no one is aware of then he won't be lynched by Muslims. It doesn't mean Muslims don't love their Prophet.

In India, with Hindu majority population, weekly you see 100s of articles on cow this and cow that. Or how Hindus should be like or should not be like. Should they worship cow or should they not. Self proclaimed liberals try and dig out every bits and pieces of history to prove their point of view that Hindus never worshiped Cows. But why? If some people worship Cows why do liberals have a problem with it? (Read again, I am not here defending self proclaimed Gau Rakshaks, telling you in advance considering your poor comprehension skills so I don't have to reply you again just to explain where I stand )

Liberals only have problem with Cow worshipers. Never have I seen an article on how everything written in Quran is not true and Muslims can still be Muslims even if they know everything witten in Quran is not true. India is secular till faith of Hindus are questioned, the day questions to other faiths like above start emerging in Indian media, the media will be termed communal. Neither minorities have a habit to tolerate questions like that, not media have guts to ask. The people who call themseveles intellectuals fear that if they question faith of minorites, it won't help their narrative of rising extremism in India.

All this write up is usless since you have an agenda lol.

LOL so they are so caring that they let their maata eat garbage and litter around on streets. Since your lot tries to compare your Gau mayya with prophet or holy Quran, let me tell you that unlike the Gau mayyas of yours you won't find Quran treated like rubbish or is thrown in dustbins. Quran is placed at a neat and safe place and people are allowed to touch it only when they are clean. So dude please do come back with better comparisons instead of this bullshit.

 

[Sky lord]

India is democratic thanks to Leaders like Nehru, Abdul Kalam, Ambedkar etc

You made the same false argument in that other thread.

Dude we are talking democracy here not Tipu Sultanate.

If the people of India did not want to be a democracy, then no amount of leaders could make it so. Just look over the fence to see what an essentially undemocratic population behaves.

You have a monarchist mind set.

The people choose their leaders not the other way around. you cannot force 1.3 billion people to do something against their will. No leader is strong enough to do that.

Again thanks to the makers of constitution of India that we have free speech else worshipers of Godse wouldn't have survived so long. Had their been no free speech, the Cancer called RSS would have been confined to history. It's a shame that some Indians who aspire to compete with USA and other developed countries want to be compared with Saudi Arabia.

The constitution of India would have been torn up and used for toilet paper if the average Indian did not share the same values.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that most Indians are tolerant and that India is a democracy because the average Indians want it so ... not because of ambedjar or Nehru or Kejriwal.

Free speech also allowed the cancer called Zakir naik to disrespect other Indians and their be,ire. Systems and get away with his vindictive nonsense. He is only now being reined in after Bangladesh requested it. It goes both ways dude.

 

[911]

LOL so they are so caring that they let their maata eat garbage and litter around on streets. Since your lot tries to compare your Gau mayya with prophet or holy Quran, let me tell you that unlike the Gau mayyas of yours you won't find Quran treated like rubbish or is thrown in dustbins. Quran is placed at a neat and safe place and people are allowed to touch it only when they are clean. So dude please do come back with better comparisons instead of this bullshit.

You need to learn how to be tolerant towards others faith .

 

[The_Showstopper]

You made the same false argument in that other thread.

Dude we are talking democracy here not Tipu Sultanate.

If the people of India did not want to be a democracy, then no amount of leaders could make it so. Just look over the fence to see what an essentially undemocratic population behaves.

Not sure why you are so obsessed over Tipu's Sultanate, our neighbours and my DP, but I will leave it at that. Indeed if people of India or for that matter any country decide to chuck off democracy, then you won't find democracy in there. And I repeat it again that you should thank the leaders like Nehru, Ambedkar etc who led Indians believe that a secular democratic India is good for them.

You have a monarchist mind set.

Please explain as to how you came to that conclusion.

The people choose their leaders not the other way around. you cannot force 1.3 billion people to do something against their will. No leader is strong enough to do that.

People chose Modi the way they chose Nehru, Indira, Rajiv etc, That is because they liked what the leader had to say and offer. Nothing can be forced upon them completely against their will.

The constitution of India would have been torn up and used for toilet paper if the average Indian did not share the same values.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that most Indians are tolerant and that India is a democracy because the average Indians want it so ... not because of ambedjar or Nehru or Kejriwal.

Tell me, Were Germans of early 20th century intolerant and fascist since their country was involved in multiple world wars and other state sponsored crimes? Well I don't think so, it was leadership who made them believe that they were ill-treated by the World and that wartime Germany has been betrayed by an enemy within(aka Jews). I don't believe that Indians as a lot are intolerant. It depends on how popular leaders lead them and what they sell them. A Nehru sold them a secular democracy, Tomorrow another mass leader can sell them a theocracy and people will latch on it.

Free speech also allowed the cancer called Zakir naik to disrespect other Indians and their be,ire. Systems and get away with his vindictive nonsense. He is only now being reined in after Bangladesh requested it. It goes both ways dude.

If it was all about disrespecting other Indians, then we should also throw Salman Rushdie, Tasleema Nasreen and this buffoon called Tarek Fateh in a prison for disrespecting let alone playing good hosts to them. But looks like free speech is limited to a certain set of people.

 

[hussain0216]

As an Indian, I am pretty happy to know the progress your country is making in the " other direction "

As far as Indian Hindutva is concerned it is not the word of God which cannot be altered or debated OR corrected, Hindus have lived amicably with others for thousand of years and will do the course correction sooner than later.

wait your banking on Hindu's to protect secularism and do a course correction from the hindutva corpse raping killing for mother cow path they are on at the moment?

Sorry that's not good enough!

 

[The_Showstopper]

You need to learn how to be tolerant towards others faith .

I am tolerant towards other faiths and at the same time I also believe people shouldn't impose their food habits on others either.

 

[Sky lord]

People chose Modi the way they chose Nehru, Indira, Rajiv etc, That is because they liked what the leader had to say and offer.

Well duh! so what's your point?

sure why you are so obsessed over Tipu's Sultanate, our neighbours and my DP, but I will leave that at it. Indeed if people of India or for that matter any country decides to chuck off democracy, then you won't find democracy in there. And I repeat it again that you should thank the leaders like Nehru, Ambedkar etc who led Indians believe that a secular democratic India is good for them.

Repeating endlessly doesn't make you right. I repeat again. people choose their leaders not other way around. Nehru and ambedkar were chosen by the people because they agreed with what they stood for. It is impossible to drag 1.3 billion people into something that they are fundamentally averse to however modern and good for them it might be.

Tell me, Were Germans of early 20th century intolerant and fascist since their country was involved in multiple world wars and other state sponsored crimes? Well I don't think so, it was leadership who made them believe that they were ill-treated by the World and that wartime Germany has been betrayed by an enemy within(aka Jews). I don't believe that Indians as a lot are intolerant. It depends on how popular leaders lead them and what they sell them. A Nehru sold them a secular democracy, Tomorrow another mass leader can sell them a theocracy and people will latch on it.

Germans of the early 20 th century were a people who lost an unfair war. They were looking to save their self respect. they chose hitler as their leader who could re build their nation both physically and spi ritually. They liked what they heard.

Hitter did not start persecution of the Jews. Jews were plenty persecuted and ghettoized in Europe before Hitler came along.

The allied powers were not as innocent of war crimes and intolerance as you seem to think. The British invented concentration camps. Churchill was not much better than hitler, just that his country won the war and wrote its history. the people he killed off by other means were at the time considered even more racially inferior to whites than the Jews and so not worth crying over I.e. People like you and me.

all about disrespecting other Indians, then we should also throw Salman Rushdie, Tasleema Nasreen and this buffoon called Tarek Fateh in a prison for disrespecting let alone playing good h

Yeah sure let's go on a banning spree. Let's hang anyone who you personally don't agree with on the nearest tree. Or better still let's behead them publically and hang their bodies on a flagpole for a week and then dance on their bodies. I got these ideas from another thread on PDF about what our neighbors would like to do to some hapless guy in their custody.

In the end native culture shows. I'm sure Tipu sultan would have been proud of you.

 

[Laozi]

wait your banking on Hindu's to protect secularism and do a course correction from the hindutva corpse raping killing for mother cow path they are on at the moment?

Sorry that's not good enough!

Ok, we will follow the path which your country has chosen for course correction as you have mentioned earlier.

We will make laws which are similar to that of your country to ensure :

Fewer people be lynched for blasphemy (killing cows ) and less corpse be raped in future. Now Chill

 

[hussain0216]

Ok, we will follow the path which your country has chosen for course correction as you have mentioned earlier.

We will make laws which are similar to that of your country to ensure :

Fewer people be lynched for blasphemy (killing cows ) and less corpse be raped in future. Now Chill

You dont have any power!

Yogi does

 

[Laozi]

You dont have any power!

Yogi does

In India we elect Yogi or Modi

We elected Kejriwal too

You never know what we can do

 

[The_Showstopper]

Well duh! so what's your point?

The point is what you stated here later in your post "They liked what they heard", hence made Nehru, Indira and Modi their Leader, Nehru presented secular democracy and people liked it, Tomorrow a Modi or Yogi will propound a theocracy and people will like it. People will like ideas based on how these ideas are presented/sold by leaders.

Repeating endlessly doesn't make you right. I repeat again. people choose their leaders not other way around. Nehru and ambedkar were chosen by the people because they agreed with what they stood for. It is impossible to drag 1.3 billion people into something that they are fundamentally averse to however modern and good for them it might be.

Living in denial does not make you right either. Ok so going by your logic, then Yogi was chosen by the people because they agreed with what he stood for aka 'If They Kill Even One Hindu, We Will Kill 100!' | . So are you telling me that people liked and voted Yogi for this?

Germans of the early 20 th century were a people who lost an unfair war. They were looking to save their self respect. they chose hitler as their leader who could re build their nation both physically and spi ritually. They liked what they heard.

Hitter did not start persecution of the Jews. Jews were plenty persecuted and ghettoized in Europe before Hitler came along.

The allied powers were not as innocent of war crimes and intolerance as you seem to think. The British invented concentration camps. Churchill was not much better than hitler, just that his country won the war and wrote its history. the people he killed off by other means were at the time considered even more racially inferior to whites than the Jews and so not worth crying over I.e. People like you and me.

Look I am not here to discuss what Hitler or Churchill did. I am trying to explain you as to how a leader can lead his people into anything by making them believe that it actually for their own good.

Yeah sure let's go on a banning spree. Let's hang anyone who you personally don't agree with on the nearest tree. Or better still let's behead them publically and hang their bodies on a flagpole for a week and then dance on their bodies. I got these ideas from another thread on PDF about what our neighbors would like to do to some hapless guy in their custody.

I never asked for banning anything, I just pointed out the selective witch hunting based on "disrespecting" other's sentiments. Anyways just want to add up over here that we may also end up doing something on a large scale of hanging people who don't abide by your beliefs/eating habits and we already have started in that direction

Jharkhand: Bodies of two cattle traders found hanging from tree

In the end native culture shows. I'm sure Tipu sultan would have been proud of you.

Uff this obsession

 

[hussain0216]

In India we elect Yogi or Modi

We elected Kejriwal too

You never know what we can do

We know!

You elect corpse rapers and mass murderers because of their hindutva credentials