On European Islamic Nationalism

[Agha Sher]

Here is one of the studies

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/PRR-12-2018-0034/full/html

Revised numbers from the study. (Moderate scenario)

Sweden: 2125
Cyprus: 2085
Greece: 2135
France: 2135
Belgium: 2140
Bulgaria: 2140

Important to note that there are many uncertainties regarding this both in favour and against Muslims. For example, European countries could see this as a threat and close their borders (i.e. zero-immigration). This would push the turning point some 100 years back. On the other hand, the average immigration has been well above the "moderate scenario" for the last many years. The study does not include the increased conversions to Islam either. As Islam grows in a society, more natives will converts. Simply because their exposure to Muslims increases.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why do Pakistanis want to convert everyone to Islam ? I ve seen people talking here of India converting to Islam as well. Now Europe too. Why can't you guys just celebrate the diversity of the world. Diversity is good.

A lot of White English people are converting to Islam willingly. Without the help or intervention of Pakistanis.

NON-indians are not born with a burning hatred of ISLAM, Muslims, Pakistan and Pakistanis.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

A lot of White English people are converting to Islam willingly. Without the help or intervention of Pakistanis.

NON-indians are not born with a burning hatred of ISLAM, Muslims, Pakistan and Pakistanis.

Why can't you celebrate diversity. Why do you want everyone to convert.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why can't you celebrate diversity. Why do you want everyone to convert.

Some people want to convert on their own accord........ :

https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2016/02/12/why-some-brits-choose-islamic-prayer-over-partying

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Some people want to convert on their own accord........ :

https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2016/02/12/why-some-brits-choose-islamic-prayer-over-partying

Yes some people do. But why do you want this to happen ? Why do you celebrate such a thing ? Why not talk about humanity making advancements in science, technology and medicine in the future ? Why is your lot only concerned about everyone converting to Islam in the future leaving their age old culture and religions behind ? Let's talk about how hopefully humanity will find a cure to Cancer in the future ? Isn't that better ?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes some people do. But why do you want this to happen ? Why do you celebrate such a thing ? Why not talk about humanity making advancements in science, technology and medicine in the future ? Why is your lot only concerned about everyone converting to Islam in the future leaving their age old culture and religions behind ? Let's talk about how hopefully humanity will find a cure to Cancer in the future ? Isn't that better ?

What advanced sciences and technologies have 1.4 billion indians EVER invented or pioneered?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

What advanced sciences and technologies have 1.4 billion indians EVER invented or pioneered?

You can keep diverting but my query still stands. And the fact that you don't wish to answer it is an answer in itself.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Why do Pakistanis want to convert everyone to Islam ? I ve seen people talking here of India converting to Islam as well. Now Europe too. Why can't you guys just celebrate the diversity of the world. Diversity is good.

You're not naive.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

You can keep diverting but my query still stands. And the fact that you don't wish to answer it is an answer in itself.

Actually, this mindset of theirs is only hurting them. They live in their only la land about eventual domination over the whole world but that's never going to happen. But this regressive obsession for conversion certainly won't make them any friends. I've seen in some YT videos where both Christians and Buddhists have negative views about them simply because they don't adjust themselves to their migrated country.

They don't understand that this isn't 7th century Arabia where they can just simply roll over others with swords in hand. 21st century people might be the most logical and informed people ever and these foolish dreams of world domination will not be forgotten by people who aren't Muslims and they will then look at Muslims in negative light.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

You're not naive.

I just want to understand the reason behind this obsession of converting all non-muslims to Muslims in this day and age. I still remember how Pakistani cricketer Ahmad Shahzad asked Sri Lankan cricketer Tillakratne Dilshan to convert to Islam or be ready for the fire in the middle of the cricket field. Also, how some Muslims male in New Zealand requested the New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern to convert to Islam when she was showing solidarity towards the victims of the Christchurch mosque attack. Just trying to wrap my head around it.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Actually, this mindset of theirs is only hurting them. They live in their only la land about eventual domination over the whole world but that's never going to happen. But this regressive obsession for conversion certainly won't make them any friends. I've seen in some YT videos where both Christians and Buddhists have negative views about them simply because they don't adjust themselves to their migrated country.

They don't understand that this isn't 7th century Arabia where they can just simply roll over others with swords in hand. 21st century people might be the most logical and informed people ever and these foolish dreams of world domination will not be forgotten by people who aren't Muslims and they will then look at Muslims in negative light.

Yet millions of indians migrate and want to work in Middle Eastern, Arab Muslim nations.........

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

I just want to understand the reason behind this obsession of converting all non-muslims to Muslims in this day and age. I still remember how Pakistani cricketer Ahmad Shahzad asked Sri Lankan cricketer Tillakratne Dilshan to convert to Islam or be ready for the fire in the middle of the cricket field. Also, how some Muslims male in New Zealand requested the New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern to convert to Islam when she was showing solidarity towards the victims of the Christchurch mosque attack. Just trying to wrap my head around it.

Perhaps you answered yourself. Islam doesn't takeaway people's language, tribal association, cuisine(except for permissiblility on kinds of meats) and clothing. That being said ... becoming a Muslim is an onerous choice, one that requires living one's life according to certain rules ... no transgression or regression.
Here is a conversation between Rustam(Persian general) and Rabi bin Amr(Muslim Emissary) before the conquest...

Rabi Ibn 'Amr said “Allah Azza wa jal has sent us to deliver you from worshiping the creation to worshiping the Creator of the creation and to deliver you from the constriction of this world to the vastness of this world and the after life and from the oppression of the religions to the justice of Islam. Allah Azza wa jal has sent us to save you from worshiping each other.”

That being said according to Islamic eschatology the world will not convert until some very ominous signs are manifested. A Muslims job is never to convert you but to enlighten you and leave judgment in your hand... because at the end of the day even if someone mascardes as Muslim, he is only deluding himself. Because a Muslim is told to accept when someone proclaims to be Muslim through their tongue(meaning Shahdah or bearing witness).

I hope this suffices.

 

[Nein]

Actually, this mindset of theirs is only hurting them. They live in their only la land about eventual domination over the whole world but that's never going to happen. But this regressive obsession for conversion certainly won't make them any friends. I've seen in some YT videos where both Christians and Buddhists have negative views about them simply because they don't adjust themselves to their migrated country.

They don't understand that this isn't 7th century Arabia where they can just simply roll over others with swords in hand. 21st century people might be the most logical and informed people ever and these foolish dreams of world domination will not be forgotten by people who aren't Muslims and they will then look at Muslims in negative light.

Thats why India is more backwards than the most poorest country in the Islamic World.

Worshipping cows, bathing in the ganges and dumping yourself cow shit and piss does not really symbolise a civilised society.

I find it ironic Indians using eurocentric or western centric terms like barbarians and uncivilised when the same terms are also used for Indians.

 

[aziqbal]

Europeans will soon be minority in their own countries

they tried so hard to keep islam out of Europe during Ottoman Empire

we conquered through immigration

can only mean a good thing

 

[vostok]

Europeans will soon be minority in their own countries

they tried so hard to keep islam out of Europe during Ottoman Empire

we conquered through immigration

can only mean a good thing

It will not be the end of European race because they will leave their countries and move to America or Russia. Due to climate change huge chank of Europe will turn into deserts. It will not be good place to live anymore.