Of interfaith harmony: Believing in unity of religions, Hindu doctor practices fasting

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Ruling on offering Jumu‘ah prayer in a church where there are images or statues - islamqa.info

Christians roll out welcome to Muslims who were having to pray in the wind and rain because their mosque was so small | Mail Online

BBC News - Christian Church opens doors to Muslims

When ALLAH said in the Quran clearly that prostrate on the earth that is clean for you who are we to stop such an order?

22:77 O you who believe, bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may succeed.
53:62 So bow down in prostration before Allah and serve (Him).
96:19 Nay! Obey him not, but prostrate thyself, and draw nigh (to Allah).


No condition was put to prostrate!

 

[bronxbull]

No ideas what upwaas vraat is, no interest in knowing either, so you have understanding of Pakistan due to Muslim population in your country and punjabis, by saying that you have proved you don't know nothing about Pakistan and it's culture.

Pakistan is bigger then Punjab and when it comes to Indians be it a Muslim or none Muslim doesn't matter, it's purely racial.

you behave too arrogant for your auqaat,i have met pathans who are much much better than you and even uneducated ones.

anyway,thats upto you.

Interfaith harmony must not be confused with perennialism



yes, exactly. Fasting is about constant remembrance of God [ to instill Fear of God for one's own salvation ] and His Last Messenger for Muslims. It is to control ego, and to keep the afterlife in mind [ to know one's real status and dependence on God, one's helplessness and origin and return, which is to dust ]

Tolerance in faith means free choice and respect for each other as human beings based on human rights. But it does not mean malicious mixing of religions. Freedom of religion comes under the Islamic pretext of no compulsion in religion, as hidayat only comes from God, not forced by one man over another. Tolerance in other areas means not discriminating against someone based on some held dispositions.

Fasting is simply to build will power,resilience,give the body a break and indulge only in the thought of god.

 

[Multani]

I dont understand why i would pray in a nihilistic environment like a mosque/church.

One doesnt get the feel of god in there,it is just a social congreagtion for doing prayers/namaaz,just a social ritual,nothing more.

God is not anthropomorphic or created that you can feel Him. You love Him.

 

[bronxbull]

God is not anthropomorphic or created that you can feel Him. You love Him.

you have no idea how a temple feels,come to south india.There is nothing like that in the whole world,north indian mandirs are nothing.

 

[Multani]

Ruling on offering Jumu‘ah prayer in a church where there are images or statues - islamqa.info

Christians roll out welcome to Muslims who were having to pray in the wind and rain because their mosque was so small | Mail Online

BBC News - Christian Church opens doors to Muslims

When ALLAH said in the Quran clearly that prostrate on the earth that is clean for you who are we to stop such an order?

22:77 O you who believe, bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may succeed.
53:62 So bow down in prostration before Allah and serve (Him).
96:19 Nay! Obey him not, but prostrate thyself, and draw nigh (to Allah).


No condition was put to prostrate!

In your first link it clearly says you cannot pray in a church. The cross is an idol too.


Sister, you are posting links that refute the arguments you are making.

 

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U.C. removes church pews to accomodate Muslim prayer - Stand Up For The Truth

Muslims praying inside the Church in UK | MSN Arabia

Jersey City Muslims who lost mosque to fire praying at nearby church | NJ.com

In your first link it clearly says you cannot pray in a church. The cross is an idol too.


Sister, you are posting links that refute the arguments you are making.

Read the whole link it is Mullahs who make a judgement made on 1 line readings!

 

[bronxbull]

lol

today i saw one claiming jesus walked through kashmir , i lost that post but it was funny

thats true.

 

[Multani]

you have no idea how a temple feels,come to south india.There is nothing like that in the whole world,north indian mandirs are nothing.

The islamic religion does not allow Muslims to enter a place where idols are worshipped. I mean no disrespect and no insult to the temples of south india. They have amazing architecture though, remarkable for an ancient civilization and sophistication.

Budhists in Sri Lanka as well.

U.C. removes church pews to accomodate Muslim prayer - Stand Up For The Truth

Muslims praying inside the Church in UK | MSN Arabia

Jersey City Muslims who lost mosque to fire praying at nearby church | NJ.com


Read the whole link it is Mullahs who make a judgement made on 1 line readings!

Sister, no. You have just posted 3 links that refute all your arguments. They are rulings based on the Schools of Jurisprudence.

You have posted links about rulings from these scholars. How can you ignore them on face?

1) Imam Ibn Abidin
2) Imam Ibn Hajar al Haytami
3) Imam Ibn Qudamah
4) Imam Ramli


and others

These are mujtahid imams, saints of God, not Mullahs

 

[bronxbull]

The islamic religion does not allow Muslims to enter a place where idols are worshipped. I mean no disrespect and no insult to the temples of south india. They have amazing architecture though, remarkable for an ancient civilization and sophistication.

Budhists in Sri Lanka as well.

your loss,i dont think god scared anyone to not experience a good thing.

Maybe u r scared that u ll look at the idols and treat them as god,thats a very insecure faith.

As a muslim you can certainly come in and see what it is like and it doesn't matter because in your heart u see it only as an idol.

i wonder what are u scared of? bhoot?

 

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What is happening in the west is a blatant dis-regard of Shariat rulings. Those scholars who indulge in it have disregarded jurisprudence.

What is happening is what Islam is! It is for all of humanity for every time...And if your masjid burns down or something happens...dont let your ignorant ego or that of your mullah's tell you not to step into the only place offering you the hall (be it a church) to pray! Coz Prayers is first so is safety so praying in the street may sound oo and aaa but causing mischief is a bigger crime!

As long as you dont pray in front of pix/ statues or dont pray to them...as long as your niyat is fine I dont see any problem in stepping into a masjid...Unless of course you have a pathetic imaan and will start worshiping the statue you saw in the church!

Islam is an easy religion dont make it tough by introducing stuff which were never there!

The islamic religion does not allow Muslims to enter a place where idols are worshipped. I mean no disrespect and no insult to the temples of south india. They have amazing architecture though, remarkable for an ancient civilization and sophistication.

Budhists in Sri Lanka as well.



Sister, no. You have just posted 3 links that refute all your arguments. They are rulings based on the Schools of Jurisprudence.

You have posted links about rulings from these scholars. How can you ignore them on face?

1) Imam Ibn Abidin
2) Imam Ibn Hajar al Haytami
3) Imam Ibn Qudamah
4) Imam Ramli


and others

These are mujtahid imams, saints of God, not Mullahs

No one is a saint until ALLAH says so....Prophet himself said when asked why he prays soo much and begs for ALLAH's mercy...We are at the disposal of ALLAH's mercy ...He was a prophet yet he prayed alot...He was a prophet yet he never asked to be prayed to! He was a prophet a leader and an example for us! Pry do take the example!

@Multani the links I sent the 1st part shows what was stated 2nd part shows what also was stated and never highlighted! Like the people eating in the church! Like the people praying in the church!

 

[Multani]

What is happening is what Islam is! It is for all of humanity for every time...And if your masjid burns down or something happens...dont let your ignorant ego or that of your mullah's tell you not to step into the only place offering you the hall (be it a church) to pray! Coz Prayers is first so is safety so praying in the street may sound oo and aaa but causing mischief is a bigger crime!

As long as you dont pray in front of pix/ statues or dont pray to them...as long as your niyat is fine I dont see any problem in stepping into a masjid...Unless of course you have a pathetic imaan and will start worshiping the statue you saw in the church!

Islam is an easy religion dont make it tough by introducing stuff which were never there!


No one is a saint until ALLAH says so....Prophet himself said when asked why he prays soo much and begs for ALLAH's mercy...We are at the disposal of ALLAH's mercy ...He was a prophet yet he prayed alot...He was a prophet yet he never asked to be prayed to! He was a prophet a leader and an example for us! Pry do take the example!

Sister, Muslims dont follow Mullahs. You have posted 3 links which refute each argument you are making above.

Islam is an academic religion. We have Jurisprudence [ in 4 madhabs of Sunni Islam ]. Imam Ibn Abidin was only like 150 years ago in Syria. We follow Shariat rulings. The way you pray namaz [ in the Hanafi madhab ] is taken directly from Imam Ibn Abidin's works. Actually, the way any Hanafi prays namaz in Pakistan is taken directly from the rulings of Imam Ibn Abidin

 

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Imam Ibn Abidin

I only follow Quran and Hadith not someone's saying!

I dont pray like a Hanafi ....In fact I object to the rulings that women should pray differently...though I do agree they should pray modestly...

Another thing Islam is easy not to make our lives hard! If it is raining and your masjid was burnt last week ...What do you do? not pray at all? or accept the offer from the Christian priest?

I am not sure how you missed this bit:

Halaal [Permissible]!

The third view is that it is permissible to enter churches in general. This is the view of the Hanbalis, as it says in al-Mughni (8/113) and al-lnsaaf(I/496). It is also the view of Ibn Hazm al-Zaahiri as it says in al-Muhalla (1/400). They quoted the following as evidence:

(i) What was narrated about the conditions stipulated by 'Umar to the People of the Book to expand their churches and monasteries so thatthe Muslims could enter them to spend the night or pass through them. [Al-Mughni(8/11 3)].

(ii) Ibn J\a'idh narrated in Futooh al-Shaam that when 'Umar came to Syria, the Christians made food for him and called him, and he said: Where is it?' They said: 'In the church', and he refused to go. He said to Ali: 'Take the people to eat lunch.' So Ali took the people and entered the church, and he and the people ate lunch, and Ali looked at the images and said: What would be wrong if the Ameer al-Mu'mineen entered this place?'[A1-Mughni (8/113)].

By studying the evidence quoted above, it does not seem that there is any clear evidence that it is haraam to enter churches. The fact that there are images and statues in them or any other place does not mean that it is haraam to enter it. The sin is on the makers of the images and those who make the statues; the one who enters a place where those statues are should advise and explain, but he does not have to leave that place.

Rulings on Muslim Entering a Church | dawahnigeria Articles

It is written in Shariah itself!

Each of the 4 Imams clearly said if you find a Hadith more sound, more linked, much better chain of narrations and that hadith contradicts anything from this book (books by each of the 4 imams as well as Imam Bukhari and Muslim and also Termithi) then ignore the hadith I "collected"....And if any hadith in this book contradicts the Quran throw away that hadith and follow as the Quran says!

 

[Multani]

No one is a saint until ALLAH says so....Prophet himself said when asked why he prays soo much and begs for ALLAH's mercy...We are at the disposal of ALLAH's mercy ...He was a prophet yet he prayed alot...He was a prophet yet he never asked to be prayed to! He was a prophet a leader and an example for us! Pry do take the example!

Sister, do you know Malaysian Sunni Muslims believe that Malaysia and Singapore converted to Islam at the hands of Islamic saints of the Ba 'Alawi Order [ from Hadramaut ] [ the 9 saints ]

The Malaysian Government sends 600 students every year to Hadramaut Yemen to study Shafii Fiqh. Also, the Singapore government.

 

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Sister, do you know Malaysian Sunni Muslims believe that Malaysia and Singapore converted to Islam at the hands of Islamic saints of the Ba 'Alawi Order [ from Hadramaut ] [ the 9 saints ]

The Malaysian Government sends 600 students every year to Hadramaut Yemen to study Shafii Fiqh. Also, the Singapore government.

Yes I know they send students but there isnt many who believe in saints....In fact probably to 2 weird schools of thoughts at least those that I know off...

 

[Multani]

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Rulings on Muslim Entering a Church | dawahnigeria Articles

It is written in Shariah itself!

Sister, in Pakistan and Malaysia and Singapore, the vast majority [ like 90%] of Muslims follow Schools of Jurisprudence.. Those who dont are called Salafis, but even they quote madhabs as your links show.

In these three countries, the overwhelming schools of jurisprudence are Hanafi and Shafii

Hanafi for Pakistan [ and the Hanafi ruling is that it is haraam to enter churches or illegal ]

The Shafii have difference of opinion and according to Ibn Hajar al Haytami RA it is not permissible. based on the conditions they place.

Yes I know they send students but there isnt many who believe in saints....In fact probably to 2 weird schools of thoughts at least those that I know off...

Malaysia and Singapore Muslims are overwhelmingly Sufi [ they believe in saints ]

The official government Imams in Malaysia are all Shafii Sunnis trained mostly from Hadramaut Yemen