Of interfaith harmony: Believing in unity of religions, Hindu doctor practices fasting

[Dubious]

Sister, in Pakistan and Malaysia and Singapore, the vast majority [ like 90%] of Muslims follow Schools of Jurisprudence.. Those who dont are called Salafis, but even they quote madhabs has your links show.
In these three countries, the overwhelming schools of jurisprudence are Hanafi and Shafii
Hanafi for Pakistan [ and the Hanafi ruling is that it is haraam to enter churches or illegal ]
The Shafii have difference of opinion and according to Ibn Hajar al Haytami RA it is not permissible. based on the conditions they place.

Yes but 1 thing you should know about Malaysia and Singapore they are not single channeled....very few are...Most accept jurisprudence from any other school even if it is Hanbali...In fact we were thought all 4 and asked to choose ourselves though more attention was given to Shafii...

Malaysia and Singapore Muslims are overwhelmingly Sufi [ they believe in saints ]
The official government Imams in Malaysia are all Shafii Sunnis trained mostly from Hadramaut Yemen

Dont generalize not all...some really are weird no doubt!

 

[Multani]

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Halaal [Permissible]!

The third view is that it is permissible to enter churches in general. This is the view of the Hanbalis, as it says in al-Mughni (8/113) and al-lnsaaf(I/496). It is also the view of Ibn Hazm al-Zaahiri as it says in al-Muhalla (1/400). They quoted the following as evidence:

(i) What was narrated about the conditions stipulated by 'Umar to the People of the Book to expand their churches and monasteries so thatthe Muslims could enter them to spend the night or pass through them. [Al-Mughni(8/11 3)].

(ii) Ibn J\a'idh narrated in Futooh al-Shaam that when 'Umar came to Syria, the Christians made food for him and called him, and he said: Where is it?' They said: 'In the church', and he refused to go. He said to Ali: 'Take the people to eat lunch.' So Ali took the people and entered the church, and he and the people ate lunch, and Ali looked at the images and said: What would be wrong if the Ameer al-Mu'mineen entered this place?'[A1-Mughni (8/113)].

By studying the evidence quoted above, it does not seem that there is any clear evidence that it is haraam to enter churches. The fact that there are images and statues in them or any other place does not mean that it is haraam to enter it. The sin is on the makers of the images and those who make the statues; the one who enters a place where those statues are should advise and explain, but he does not have to leave that place.

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Sister, this piece is saying Imam al Mughni is saying "some" Hanbalis followed the ruling that it is permissible to enter a church., but does not go any further as to who and why. Not that those hanbalis are right.

And Ibn Hazm is of the zahiri school, which is rejected by the 4 schools of Sunni Islam. No one today follows the Zaahiri school.

The Hanbali ruling that warrants attention is what ibn Qudama is saying later on in your link. There is a typo there though. "imperssibility should be permissibility.

 

[Dubious]

Sister, this piece is saying Imam al Mughni is saying "some" Hanbalis followed the ruling that it is permissible to enter a church., but does not go any further as to who and why. Not that those hanbalis are right.

And Ibn Hazm is of the zahiri school, which is rejected by the 4 schools of Sunni Islam. No one today follows the Zaahiri school.

The Hanbali ruling that warrants attention is what ibn Qudama is saying later on in your link. There is a typo there though. "imperssibility should be permissibility.

hmmmm...well not until someone can show me where it is clearly written not by today's scholars and not due to examples that no one did it....I will not accept it We all know all sorts of crap people claim under Islam....

@Multani I hope I dont sound rude but I am a firm believer that as long as niyat saaf hai and you have not done any shirkh (associating partners with ALLAH) I doubt entering a church has any issues! Praying there many may not agree but I have nothing against it if that is the hall you can get...why not! Islam is not intolerant but a humble religion...

 

[Kompromat]

islam is the youngest religion,obviously all previous ones have vrath.

Islam is not a 'new religion', its the continuity of Judaism, Christianity and other Abrahamic faiths, so its not that young.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Interfaith harmony must not be confused with perennialism



Tolerance in faith means free choice and respect for each other as human beings based on human rights. But it does not mean malicious mixing of religions. Freedom of religion comes under the Islamic pretext of no compulsion in religion, as hidayat only comes from God, not forced by one man over another. Tolerance in other areas means not discriminating against someone based on some held dispositions.

Inter-faith harmony should not be confuse with deen-e-Ilahi of Akbar badshah i.e to make mixture of religion and to claim that all religion are same and all are true but at the same prefer to just stick with your own lol

 

[Multani]

Inter-faith harmony should not be confuse with deen-e-Ilahi of Akbar badshah i.e to make mixture of religion and to claim that all religion are same and all are true but at the same prefer to just stick with your own lol

yes you are right. In the UK, ahlesunnat call deen e elahi of akbar [ saying all religions are equal ] Sulah Kulliyat, and in english it is known as perennialism.

You should check out the Coventry Sunni Movement, or the Bradford Sunni Movement, or the Luton Sunni Movement

here is a link

Coventry Sunni Movement - Coventry, United Kingdom - Religious Organization | Facebook

Inter-faith harmony should not be confuse with deen-e-Ilahi of Akbar badshah i.e to make mixture of religion and to claim that all religion are same and all are true but at the same prefer to just stick with your own lol

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

yes you are right. In the UK, ahlesunnat call deen e elahi of akbar [ saying all religions are equal ] Sulah Kulliyat, and in english it is known as perennialism.

You should check out the Coventry Sunni Movement, or the Bradford Sunni Movement, or the Luton Sunni Movement

here is a link

Coventry Sunni Movement - Coventry, United Kingdom - Religious Organization | Facebook

Hey stop taking this discussion towards sect bashing

 

[bronxbull]

Islam is not a 'new religion', its the continuity of Judaism, Christianity and other Abrahamic faiths, so its not that young.

thats something only muslims claim,nobody else accept it.

so,it doesnt count.

 

[Kompromat]

thats something only muslims claim,nobody else accept it.

so,it doesnt count.

No one has given you the authority to decide if it counts or not. Its just your opinion which is based what you like to believe rather than what the reality is.

 

[bronxbull]

no it is obvious to everyone,well everyone except people like you.

kuch bhi bakte hain,bakwaas.

 

[Contrarian]

No one has given you the authority to decide if it counts or not. Its just your opinion which is based what you like to believe rather than what the reality is.

There is no 'reality' here.
I can start a religion today and say it is a continuation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
I bet I can find 10,000 tribals in Africa who will believe me too and maybe one day come on online forums and claim that it is 'reality'.

Does not make it so.

Of the three Abrahamic faiths, Islam is the youngest and of the three is the newest.

 

[Spring Onion]

If it happens other way around terms like "apostate" and "haram" would have been lobbed vigorously . Just like it happens with Shahrukh and Salman when they attend Hindu festivals and even pray with their families in their homes on Hindu Festivals .

Praying to idols is not permitted in Islam. fasting is NOT banned in Hinduism.

Two different things. As far as someone was asking if Muslims will or are reciprocating such gesture then i will say YES they are by playing holi, by celebrating other hindu festivals as well. BuT if you want us to bow to Hindu gods then sorry that is not possible because that is negation of our belief.

There is no 'reality' here.
I can start a religion today and say it is a continuation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
I bet I can find 10,000 tribals in Africa who will believe me too and maybe one day come on online forums and claim that it is 'reality'.

Does not make it so.

Of the three Abrahamic faiths, Islam is the youngest and of the three is the newest.

and the FASTEST GROWING ONE.

Thats what Reality means and not some 10,000 african tribals playing mumba dance

 

[Contrarian]

Praying to idols is not permitted in Islam. fasting is NOT banned in Hinduism.

Fasting is an integral part of Hinduism.

and the FASTEST GROWING ONE.

Thats what Reality means and not some 10,000 african tribals playing mumba dance

You maybe see it as some sort of validation of your faith which is why you are writing it in capital letters and writing something that was not related to my post at all. Nothing more than a sign of insecurity Jana.
I, on the other hand, could not care less whether it was the fastest growing one or the fastest reducing one. In both cases
it would still remain the newest and youngest religion of the Abrahamic faiths. Not a continuation by any means.

 

[Spring Onion]

Fasting is an integral part of Hinduism.

))))) thats why the act is not something going out of the way.

You maybe see it as some sort of validation of your faith which is why you are writing it in capital letters and writing something that was not related to my post at all. Nothing more than a sign of insecurity Jana.
I, on the other hand, could not care less whether it was the fastest growing one or the fastest reducing one. In both cases
it would still remain the newest and youngest religion of the Abrahamic faiths. Not a continuation by any means.

The insecurity can been seen on your part (Indians collectively here) as just a normal gesture by a Hindu made you guys so much frustrated that you have started hiting at Islam.

Read the bold part in your own statement ))) ABRAHAMIC Faith means its one same completed at Islam

 

[Contrarian]

))))) thats why the act is not something going out of the way.




The insecurity can been seen on your part (Indians collectively here) as just a normal gesture by a Hindu made you guys so much frustrated that you have started hiting at Islam.

Read the bold part in your own statement ))) ABRAHAMIC Faith means its one same completed at Islam

Again, grasping at straws only makes you look desperate.
I said Abrahamic faiths. I am sure education is not that bad in Pakistan.
the 's' at the end implies plurality. That is, more than one.

Just to be perfectly clear (if you are still not), Islam is the youngest religion. As such it is called a new religion.