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'Occupy' anti-capitalism protests spread around the world

That is actually the only valid complaint they have: the double standard towards the Big Guys who lived beyond their means and were bailed out by taxpayer money.

AIG was "too big to be allowed to fail"
The banks were "too big to be allowed to fail"
Greece is "too big to be allowed to fail"

In other words, if you are big enough, you can get away with highway robbery.

Banks are the kingpin of any economy and any sensible govt will not allow them to fail as it will lead to economic chaos. Its nothing personal, only business. Why can't the protesters understand this basic fact? but if any executive of the bank is to blame for the collapse, he should be tried in a court of law and punished.

This is serious time and we need serious people to solve this, not the hipsters out in the street whose only aim as it seems is to create anarchy.


'Occupy Wall Street' and then what? Did any one asked this.
 
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Banks are the kingpin of any economy and any sensible govt will not allow them to fail as it will lead to economic chaos. Its nothing personal, only business. Why can't the protesters understand this basic fact?

I think what's fueling the anger is the arrogance of the financial industry to -- excuse the phrase -- bank on this very fact. That they are so central to the economy, they will be bailed out no matter what.

but if any executive of the bank is to blame for the collapse, he should be tried in a court of law and punished.

But it hasn't happened, hence the anger.

'Occupy Wall Street' and then what? Did any one asked this.

Presumably, they want the major financial industry executives punished. The extent of punishment should be large enough to set a historical example for the financial industry.
 
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Your statement makes no sense. I pay taxes and Govt uses that taxes to build dams to generate power. Does that mean I should make claim to free power as my taxes went into power generation.
But can you cheack clearly that all of your money is use to build dams ??or 'small amount' will turn to be Wall street money ??Why people must give their tax to Wall street and they have to borrow from those guys after that ?
harpoon said:
Banks are the kingpin of any economy and any sensible govt will not allow them to fail as it will lead to economic chaos. Its nothing personal, only business. Why can't the protesters understand this basic fact? but if any executive of the bank is to blame for the collapse, he should be tried in a court of law and punished.

This is serious time and we need serious people to solve this, not the hipsters out in the street whose only aim as it seems is to create anarchy.


'Occupy Wall Street' and then what? Did any one asked this.
Then turn the society to Communist :D Build the People's bank like Vn and China, the West have higher education than VNese -Chinese, so they can control it, and lend money for people who smart like Steve Jobs to invent more usefull product to mankind. Wall street can never robe people's money any more :D
 
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These protestors don't have a coherent message other than "they got money and I ain't".

It's a motley collection of the homeless, jobless, dateless, aimless and generally clueless.

Many people said the same thing about the revolution in Egypt! They were wrong then and they are wrong now.
 
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I think what's fueling the anger is the arrogance of the financial industry to -- excuse the phrase -- bank on this very fact. That they are so central to the economy, they will be bailed out no matter what.



But it hasn't happened, hence the anger.



Presumably, they want the major financial industry executives punished. The extent of punishment should be large enough to set a historical example for the financial industry.

So they basically want corrupt bankers arrested. Would it be so much better and easier if they just filed public litigation against the corrupt banks and their executives. I think there are enough lawyers out there who would appear against this crooks pro bono.

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Many people said the same thing about the revolution in Egypt! They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

Yaeh Mubarak is out, but his cronies and military still rule the roost.
 
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So they basically want corrupt bankers arrested. Would it be so much better and easier if they just filed public litigation against the corrupt banks and their executives. I think there are enough lawyers out there who would appear against this crooks pro bono.

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Problem is : All Wall street guys is corrupted , if not, Wall Street collapsed like Lehman Brothers alredy. :D
 
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So they basically want corrupt bankers arrested. Would it be so much better and easier if they just filed public litigation against the corrupt banks and their executives. I think there are enough lawyers out there who would appear against this crooks pro bono.

I guess they are saying it's a matter of public interest and public prosecutors, i.e. AGs, should be on the case.
 
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I guess they are saying it's a matter of public interest and public prosecutors, i.e. AGs, should be on the case.

I don't know bro..for me they seem to be bunch of hipsters out to create anarchy. They seems to have all the problems...but not the solution. Occupy wall street, kick out bankers blah blah and then how they plan to run things or they really have a plan other than clashing with police and breaking shop windows.

Anyways is Australia also included in this protest.

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Problem is : All Wall street guys is corrupted , if not, Wall Street collapsed like Lehman Brothers alredy. :D

I am talking about lawyers who would fight against this wall street bankers pro bono.
 
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harpoon said:
I am talking about lawyers who would fight against this wall street bankers pro bono.
First : lawers will need to fight against all Wall street guys bcz all is corrupted.

Second: poor people can not wait and see their house , their property are taken away by the bank bcz it will take a very long time to wait for those lawer to finish the case, maybe it takes 10 years, 20 years or maybe more , so what they need to do is Listern to Karl Marz: let sweep away those brutal forces in Wall street by Violent Revolution.

btw: all what I dicuss here only base on Marx's theory , pls don't blame me about it ^^
 
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I don't know bro..for me they seem to be bunch of hipsters out to create anarchy. They seems to have all the problems...but not the solution. Occupy wall street, kick out bankers blah blah and then how they plan to run things or they really have a plan other than clashing with police and breaking shop windows.

Yes, they are mostly incoherent. But one guy they interviewed said something along the lines of what I wrote above.

Anyways is Australia also included in this protest.

Yes, they were there over the weekend. Don't know about today.
 
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So even after 45 years of Communism Eastern European Countries lag behind West in education. Did that itself show the failure of Communism considering the fact that Eastern European countries with some exception were at par with say France or UK in all spheres.

That's cause all the smart Eastern Europeans had to go to the West in search of jobs after the fall of communism. Western higher education would be terrible without having imported so much talent from Eastern Europe and Asia.
 
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Footage right here:


If this carries long, then it won't be long until the police and the people losses it. Interesting development indeed. For once the people are waking up to see what their country is all about.

Mean while the western media are either blacking out on the movement or trying to demonize the protesters (cough faux news):

 
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From Tahrir Square to Occupy Wall Street

Asmaa Mahfouz's message to US protesters proves the links between OWS and the Arab Spring are meaningful, not fanciful


Egyptian revolutionary Asmaa Mahfouz speaks at Occupy Wall Street. Video: DemocracyNow!

The winds of change are blowing across the globe. What triggers such change, and when it will strike, is something that no one can predict.

Last 18 January, a courageous young woman in Egypt took a dangerous step. Asmaa Mahfouz was 25 years old, part of the April 6 Youth Movement, with thousands of young people engaging online in debate on the future of their country. They formed in 2008 to demonstrate solidarity with workers in the industrial city of Mahalla, Egypt. Then, in December 2010, a young man in Tunisia, Mohamed Bouazizi, set himself on fire to protest the frustration of a generation. His death sparked the uprising in Tunisia that toppled the long-reigning dictator President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali.

Similar acts of protest spread to Egypt, where at least four men attempted self-immolation. One, Ahmed Hashem el-Sayed of Alexandria, died. Asmaa Mahfouz was outraged and posted a video online, staring directly into the camera, her head covered, but not her face. She identified herself and called for people to join her on 25 January in Tahrir Square. She said (translated from Arabic):

"I'm making this video to give you one simple message: we want to go down to Tahrir Square on 25 January. If we still have honor and want to live in dignity on this land, we have to go down on 25 January. We'll go down and demand our rights, our fundamental human rights … I won't even talk about any political rights. We just want our human rights and nothing else. This entire government is corrupt – a corrupt president and a corrupt security force. These self-immolators were not afraid of death but were afraid of security forces. Can you imagine that?"

Nine months later, Asmaa Mahfouz was giving a teach-in at Occupy Wall Street. Standing on steps above the crowd Monday night, she had a huge smile on her face as she looked out on a sea of faces. After she finished, I asked her what gave her strength. She answered with characteristic humility, speaking English:

"I can't believe it when I saw a million people join in the Tahrir Square. I'm not more brave, because I saw my colleagues, Egyptian, were going towards the policemen, when they just pushing us, and they died for all of us. So they are the one who are really brave and really strong …I saw people, really, died in front of me, because they were protecting me and protecting others. So, they were the most brave, bravest men."

I asked how it felt to be in the United States, which had for so long supported the Mubarak regime in Egypt. She replied:

"While they giving money and power and support to Mubarak regime, our people, Egyptian people, can success against all of this, against the US power. So, the power to the people, not for the US bullets or bombs or money or anything. The power to the people. So that I am here to be in solidarity and support the Wall Street Occupy protesters, to say them 'the power to the people', and to keep it on and on, and they will success in the end."

The Egyptian revolution has not been without consequences for her. Last August, she was arrested by the Egyptian military. As my colleague Sharif Abdel Kouddous reported from Cairo, Asmaa sent two controversial tweets that prompted the arrest by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, the military government that has ruled Egypt since Mubarak's fall.

Her arrest provoked a worldwide response, with groups ranging from the Muslim Brotherhood to Amnesty International condemning it. She was released, but, as Sharif noted at the time, Asmaa was only one of 12,000 civilians arrested since the revolution.

The arrests are happening here in the US now, at many of the protest sites across the country. As Asmaa was preparing to head back to Egypt, hundreds of riot police descended on Occupy Oakland, firing beanbag rounds and tear gas. The University of New Mexico is threatening to evict the encampment there, which is called "(Un)occupy Albuquerque" to highlight that the land there is occupied native land.

Asmaa Mahfouz is running for a seat in the Egyptian Parliament, and maybe someday, she says, the presidency. When I asked her what she had to say to President Barack Obama, who had given his speech to the Muslim world in Cairo, she replied:

"You promised the people that you are the change and 'Yes, we can.' So we are here from the Wall Street Occupy, and we are saying the same word: 'Yes, we can.' We can make the freedom, and we can get our freedom, even if it's from you."
 
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