Obama's decision to visit India, not Pakistan, in the interest of all three countries: US!

[Abu Zolfiqar]

US presidents have been visiting places like Iraq like that. Unannounced visit is part of that security arrangement. Hence the unannounced. The thing I won't like this is, it puts Pakistan in the same league as of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. I don't like that.

yeah that's true but that's because Iraq was invaded and occupied by them.....the Green Zone in Baghdad following the invasion and overthrow of Saddam was basically an American city full of military, contractors and a few Iraqis who worked for Americans.

they also CONTROLLED the Iraqi air space, controlled traffic on the ground

therefore arrangements could be made in less amount of time

Its not Obama but U.S $$ which is required in Pak plus it would be a shame for Pakistan to invite Obama while his forces killed Pak soldiers and bomb civilians.

that's why we need to cut ties with india....i think a lot of people here would agree

by the way contrary to popular indian belief, Pakistan isnt bankrupt and economy hasnt collapsed. It's not an issue of money its an issue of agenda.....there's no point in Obama coming here when civilian and military just recently concluded meetings in both US and Pakistan

 

[Levina]

And also probably the fact that Pakistan isn't as important where the volume of trade is concerned what with a paltry $6 billion to show which is peanuts. In contrast Indo-American trade is at present $100 billion slated to reach $500 billion by 2020.

Secondly, the US knows that the only agenda point that Pakistan would have is the reiteration of the Kashmir issue which is dead. Thirdly, the majority of Pakistanis hate America and what it stands for. So during the visit you'd have shills like General Hafiz Saeed and gang organising massive anti-American protests which would be rather embarrassing.

So visiting Pakistan is of no use to man or beast. It's just a waste of time!

Lol
That was brusque!
But if you thought Indo- US disconnect would vaporize with Obama's visit then I am not so sanguine about it.
China always gets a higher priority in terms of trade. And US is interested in service sector which India is lil apprehensive about, in opening up. The insurance sector for example would not increase the FDI cap more than 49% which disappoints US investors as they would not be able to have a meaningful control over the market. Pharma,agricultural and retail sectors 're also something that US wants to have a control over but Modi would not challenge his own administration.
So we 're back to square one where the areas of cooperation that US looks forward to in India, 're also the most challenging.
Pakistan got the royal snub, no doubt!

 

[13 komaun]

yeah that's true but that's because Iraq was invaded and occupied by them.....the Green Zone in Baghdad following the invasion and overthrow of Saddam was basically an American city full of military, contractors and a few Iraqis who worked for Americans.

they also CONTROLLED the Iraqi air space, controlled traffic on the ground

therefore arrangements could be made in less amount of time



that's why we need to cut ties with india....i think a lot of people here would agree

by the way contrary to popular indian belief, Pakistan isnt bankrupt and economy hasnt collapsed. It's not an issue of money its an issue of agenda.....there's no point in Obama coming here when civilian and military just recently concluded meetings in both US and Pakistan

I am 100% agree with you that ties between India and Pak should be minimum as we have nothing in common i think this is also the view of 99% Indians.


I call your second para a face saving.

 

[Gautam]

This is an insult to Pakistan. How can Obama, who is going to a poor country (with a banya prime minister) like India, but not coming to a relatively rich country (with a mard prime minister) like Pakistan? hain? something is fishy here. so many countries must be involved in this plot to defame and malign Pakistan. I condomn it.

 

[OrionHunter]

If Pakistan is such a waste of time why does your buddy US provide aid to us? Why would America waste its taxpayers money on "deceitful" and "hateful" Pakistanis?

Spot on! That's exactly what the Americans and the US Congress are asking! They are pretty pissed off!

As for Obama screw him. He isn't welcome anyway. Let him go to India whilst his troops are fed through our soil in Afghanistan.

Sour grapes? Never mind. Relax! Americans are at least giving you doles amounting to billions of dollars so that you keep afloat and don't sink without a trace! America is your life jacket and yet you guys keep cursing them!

That's pretty ungrateful, what? You can't look a gift horse in the mouth, can you? But it looks as if you guys are!!

 

[PlanetWarrior]

This is an insult to Pakistan. How can Obama, who is going to a poor country (with a banya prime minister) like India, but not coming to a relatively rich country (with a mard prime minister) like Pakistan? hain? something is fishy here. so many countries must be involved in this plot to defame and malign Pakistan. I condomn it.

You've been using too many "condoms" on PDF. I hope that you are buying the tried and tested brands

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I am 100% agree with you that ties between India and Pak should be minimum as we have nothing in common i think this is also the view of 99% Indians.

good, so i guess it means we share SOMETHING in common other than just a border

the feelings are very mutual here, except among the delusional liberals/leftists

I call your second para a face saving.

nope it's just called stating facts and mixing it with some opinion......if you find it offensive or something, not my problem

 

[13 komaun]

good, so i guess it means we share SOMETHING in common other than just a border

the feelings are very mutual here, except among the delusional liberals/leftists




nope it's just called stating facts and mixing it with some opinion......if you find it offensive or something, not my problem

Between you and me its 2 but between others Pakistanis it could be more.

I never said Pak economy is bankrupt i believe that current situation of Pakistan is not conducive for his visit as i was watching the documentary on national geographic that there was a threat of A.A missile when Clinton came.

 

[EL LOBO]

Nope! Not delusions of Indians, but it's a fact put forth by not only America but the whole world too. The UN has also said it is nonenforceable and is a dead issue.

As though solving the Kashmir 'dispute' (on Pakistan's terms) will make it a super power! So why are you guys so desperate? Will it put more food on the table for the poor? Will it magically transform Pakistan into the fastest growing economy? Will it eradicate poverty? What's in it for Pakistan? Nix! So move on.....

it will give us power on water....thats more then being a superpower..

 

[Rank]

First US engaging Pakistan through its military from past 60 years. Now today's Pakistan military is completely different type with different mentality. They're not familier with Americans. Also the mess created by US in the region and killing Pakistan soldiers @ salala, playing double game with Pakistan, supporting Indians in Afghanistan and not even try to capture TTP leadership in Afghanistan clearly evident that America is not helping Pakistan or even remmeber 60 years of so called friendship. Even their military establishment JCOS and Chief of Centcom "Invited" Raheel Sharif. Before we have seen many times that our generals went to US. This time -- first time in the history entire US defence establishment invited COAS for almost two weeks.

Pakistan Army have no trust on Americans and that is what American government and Pentagon knew very well. For what purpose Obama come to Pakistan ?

Our loot maar corrupt ruling elite who is busy in corruption and begging for money from IMF has no credibility or respect anywhere in the world. On the other side, India has $$ and you will see defence related deals when Obama visit India. Also US playing double game once again infact its not once again its old tactics of US. US want any country like many others before which include Pakistan to fullfill their objectives. This time India is best candidate to counter China here. One side Japan, Vietnam and now India 3 + block against china to contain China btw E & Central Asia thats all. Anyway as far as Obama visit to Pakistan is completely non-sense. Pakistan Military establishment has no interests to meet Americans or US president secondly they knew very wel Obama has nothing to offer us.

Rest of time will tell!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Between you and me its 2 but between others Pakistanis it could be more.

I never said Pak economy is bankrupt i believe that current situation of Pakistan is not conducive for his visit as i was watching the documentary on national geographic that there was a threat of A.A missile when Clinton came.

good luck finding a Pakistani who is offended or cares whether he came or not.....he's a lame duck president. Gone are the days when they had people like Reagan or Bush Senior.

 

[9876]

Pakistan needs to create a little distance between itself and America. Americas is in it for itself, it really doesn't given a damn about the rest of the world- including the Indians. Our leadership (and media) needs to stop begging the americans to come and visit.

 

[OrionHunter]

it will give us power on water....thats more then being a superpower..

Sort out your water management first!

Pakistan is not scarce of water. The resource is present, though precious—and repeatedly squandered by abysmal water management. Inefficient irrigation and drainage spawns excessive, saline agricultural water and ruined harvests. Canals and dams are poorly maintained to the point of neglect. Rusty pipes leak water instead of conveying it. And large dams, clogged by silt, are losing their storage capacities.

So get your house in order and there would be no water shortage. Your bellyaching is bereft of reality.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

@Norwegian

Why must every US President visit to India be preceded by or followed by a visit to Pakistan? Is there a protocol for this to happen?

There is certainly no such PROTOCOL for such visits. It was simply a PRACTICE that used to take place. It was connected to the "hyphenation" that USA used to indulge in earlier, to pander to pakistani feelings.

Now that practice has ended just as "hyphenation" is over. Now Reality rules......

We should look towards East now. Looking forward for Chinese premiere's visit.

The Chinese Premier has already cancelled a planned visit to Pakistan! Instead he made a visit to India as planned.
So.... when is the Chinese PM coming to visit Pakistan??

 

[Judge]

@Norwegian

Why must every US President visit to India be preceded by or followed by a visit to Pakistan? Is there a protocol for this to happen?

There was an unspoken protocol for this till the 2000's. Till then India and Pakistan were treated as equals by US and so any visit by Head of State was to be followed by going to the other.

Hillary Clinton's book also tells us that American advisors informed Clinton when he visited as President that they should not do anything different or special in one country that they could not follow in the other as their actions in either country would be watched and scrutinized in the other. And they had to show that for them, India and Pakistan were "equal" and they would show no outright favoritism .

As India's economy started growing, Bush broke this and started a "new normal".