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Obama is bluffing on Iran

Yeah right.

Wow. Actually an Indian gave me this information when he pulled up several articles and proof of AQ Khan helping Iran in nuclear program.

Denial at it's best???
 
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If you want the stance of Iran on the enmity between Pakistan and India, Iran has always remained neutral because Iran has more important concerns to worry about them. Iran has never sided with India and also don't forget that Iran was one of the first countries that recognized Pakistan. I, as an Iranian living in Tehran, always had heard good things about India, like about the old friendship between Iran(Persia) and India and how our countries are culturally tied to each other, and I thought India was a country with dignity and national pride that helped them to get rid of the British colonialism and I thought these guys were neutral about the things that are none of their business, but now I realized that many of them are somehow suffering from inferiority complex when they compare themselves to western powers.
About Pakistan, Iranians aren't anti-Pakistani, they simply don't know much about Pakistan, but when I read the news I thought Pakistan would be a country full of terrorists funded by Saudi Arabia and fundamentalists that have kept the country backward, I didn't know that the people of Pakistan could be well-informed about the things happening around them and I only found that out after I joined this forum. I'm admitting my ignorance and I see nothing wrong in it. and about Iran's stance, I should reiterate that Iran is neutral, we don't side with any of the two countries, but recently Iran's relations with Pakistan is improving very quickly and I could say that we hear more about Pakistan on the news these days than before, before it was mostly limited to bombings in Karachi and other major cities of Pakistan that killed dozens of people, now it's much more than that.


Lies exposed.
How come they dont know about Pakistan when Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan?? And Khomeni said that he wanted to see Pakistan develop as a model 12er state?? Almost 50% of the Pakistani population can trace there roots to Persia and much of the today Pakistan is based on former terriortries of Persian empire?? Are you telling me that Iranian have forgotten or somehow re-engineered their history??? Pakistan shares a long enough border with Iran where as India has no direct border link with Iran??? You people are just good at lying and hypocrisy!

The regime of Tehran rather makes friends with infidels and polytheist than tolerate Pakistan for the obvious hatred taught in seminaries day and night.
 
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Lies exposed.
How come they dont know about Pakistan when Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan?? And Khomeni said that he wanted to see Pakistan develop as a model 12er state?? Almost 50% of the Pakistani population can trace there roots to Persia and much of the today Pakistan is based on former terriortries of Persian empire?? Are you telling me that Iranian have forgotten or somehow re-engineered their history??? Pakistan shares a long enough border with Iran where as India has no direct border link with Iran??? You people are just good at lying and hypocrisy!

The regime of Tehran rather makes friends with infidels and polytheist than tolerate Pakistan for the obvious hatred taught in seminaries day and night.

Oh, shut up. Pakistan has terrorism problem because of people with your kind of ideology. Let's face the truth here and be open. Saudi Arabia is friend with west that is killing our people. You have no problem with that. You have also no problem with Sauds being installed by British to hold on the most sacred of Muslim places. You stink of hypocrisy. The guy admitted he did not know much and knows now. You on the other hand are outright lying and showing your hate mongering for Shias with your sectarian ideas and stupid concepts about Iran. You are the ignorant here. Pakistan's image is not only down the drain in Iran, but also everywhere you go on planet because of people like you. When we did not have you prior to Afghan fiasco, Pakistan was much more respected and well received. So stop playing like we do not know you and your ideology. It is because of people like you that Muslims can not unite. On every front you and Saudi Arabia is cooperating with Americans to save the petrodollar recycling and Saudi Arabia even has to out source its defense to US. The most shameful thing a Muslim can do.

As for Iran, some audio lectures by Ahmdad Deedat who was much more knowledgeable than all of your likes combined is due here and then compare Iran with your corrupt Sauds who are always standing against Muslims and unity of Islam:


 
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Lies exposed.
How come they dont know about Pakistan when Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan?? And Khomeni said that he wanted to see Pakistan develop as a model 12er state?? Almost 50% of the Pakistani population can trace there roots to Persia and much of the today Pakistan is based on former terriortries of Persian empire?? Are you telling me that Iranian have forgotten or somehow re-engineered their history??? Pakistan shares a long enough border with Iran where as India has no direct border link with Iran??? You people are just good at lying and hypocrisy!

The regime of Tehran rather makes friends with infidels and polytheist than tolerate Pakistan for the obvious hatred taught in seminaries day and night.

The Saudis pay for your indoctrination??

It is Bribed Pakistani leadership influenced by Saudis and Americans that have been unfriendly with Iran.
 
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Do not compare north korea situation with Iran one,beacuse USA have like 100 base around Iran which not the case for north korea.

The most important point,North korea didnt threaten to bomb Israel while Iran threaten them like every week.

In this case, i can safely say both are fooling you.
 
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@ longbrained; you have no clue about the terrorism sponsors and Pakistan's image history.

Kidnapped children and drunken fighters disguised as 'Taliban' killing only Pakistanis and addressed by media as 'Pakistan Talibans' is all artificial and product of Asif Ali Zardari.

We disown what ever this spiritual leader of some idiots did to Pakistan.

There is nothing wrong in what 'Somebozo' stated and your aggression have no reasons.

I disagree to every thing you blamed about Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan used to have open borders with Iran and projects of regional development co-operation were in pipeline, until, the arrival of 'Khumaini', which proved to be wedge between the planned regional co-operation.
'Khumaini' reversed Iran's foreign policy towards regional states incl. Pakistan.

In the same period King Faisal was murdered, who founded Islamic block and blocked oil supplies to US.

With all such timeline, one can clearly see conspiracy of divide being engineered.

Simple advise open your minds and don't believe what is being fed to you.

BTW.. Ahmad Dedat was honored by Saudi Arabia.

http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article570426.ece
 
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Lies exposed.
Which lies? The thing that I'm admitting I didn't know about Pakistan much but I've learned from this forum is a lie?

How come they dont know about Pakistan when Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan??
We've recognized many other states as well, we were among the first countries that recognized Ukraine for example, do you think all Iranians know about Ukraine well?
And Khomeni said that he wanted to see Pakistan develop as a model 12er state??
I don't know about that.
Almost 50% of the Pakistani population can trace there roots to Persia and much of the today Pakistan is based on former terriortries of Persian empire?? Are you telling me that Iranian have forgotten or somehow re-engineered their history???
Is the first sentence a statement or a question?
No, Iranians haven't re-engineered their history, but is that all that you want Iranians to know?

Pakistan shares a long enough border with Iran where as India has no direct border link with Iran??? You people are just good at lying and hypocrisy!
So does Turkmenistan. Do you think all Iranians know about Turkmenistan?

The regime of Tehran rather makes friends with infidels and polytheist than tolerate Pakistan for the obvious hatred taught in seminaries day and night.
We make friends with anyone who wants to make friends with us (Israel is the only exception I think). and I didn't understand the second part of your sentence.

You haven't answered my question yet, How much do you know about Iran? except the things you read on the news or the things that you hear about Iran from the Saudis?
 
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An interesting article I saw and posted on another thread that some people appreciated. I don't agree with it in its entirety because at the end it says Iran should back off from what I think is Iran's right. But it puts into perspective the relationship since the formation of Pakistan. It also states that we should stay neutral between Saudi and Iran which is in my opinion an easy option but the wrong one. We should side with who we think is right and if it is in our interests and I think that it is Iran all the way:


The Bomb: Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan

Published: January 22, 2012

Once upon a time Iran was Pakistan’s close ally — probably its closest one. In 1947, Iran was the first to recognise the newly independent Pakistan. In the 1965 war with India, Pakistani fighter jets flew to Iranian bases in Zahedan and Mehrabad for protection and refuelling. Both countries were members of the US-led Seato and Cento defence pacts, Iran opened wide its universities to Pakistani students, and the Shah of Iran was considered Pakistan’s great friend and benefactor. Sometime around 1960, thousands of flag-waving school children lined the streets of Karachi to greet him. I was one of them.

The friendship has soured, replaced by low-level hostility and suspicion. In 1979, Ayatollah Khomenei’s Islamic revolution, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, set major realignments in motion. As Iran exited the US orbit, Pakistan joined the Americans to fight the Soviets. With Saudi money, they together created and armed the hyper-religious Pashtun mujahideen. Iran too supported the mujahideen — but those of the Tajik Northern Alliance. But as religion assumed centrality in matters of state in both Pakistan and Iran, doctrinal rifts widened.

These rifts are likely to widen as the US prepares for its withdrawal from Afghanistan. Iranians cannot forget that in 1996, following the Soviet pullout from Afghanistan, the Taliban took over Kabul and began a selective killing of Shias. This was followed by a massacre of more than 5,000 Shias in Bamiyan province. Iran soon amassed 300,000 troops at the Afghan border and threatened to attack the Pakistan-supported Taliban government. Today, Iran accuses Pakistan of harbouring terrorist anti-Iran groups like Jundullah on its soil and freely allowing Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its associates to ravage Pakistan’s Shia minority. Symptomatic of the grassroot-level change, Farsi is no longer taught in Pakistani schools.

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia’s footprint in Pakistan has grown steadily since the early 1970s. Pakistani leaders, political and military, frequently travel to the Kingdom to pay homage or seek refuge. The dependency on Saudi money grew. After India had tested its Bomb in May 1998 and Pakistan was mulling over the appropriate response, the Kingdom’s grant of 50,000 barrels of free oil a day helped Pakistan decide in favour of a tit-for-tat response and cushioned the impact of sanctions subsequently imposed by the US and Europe. The Saudi defence minister, Prince Sultan, was a VIP guest at Kahuta, where he toured its nuclear and missile facilities just before the tests. Years earlier Benazir Bhutto, the then serving prime minister, had been denied entry.

The quid pro quo for the Kingdom’s oil largesse has been soldiers, airmen, and military expertise. Saudi officers are trained at Pakistan’s national defence colleges. The Pakistan Air Force, with a high degree of professional training, helped create the Royal Saudi Air Force and Pakistani pilots flew combat missions against South Yemen in the 1970s. Saudi Arabia is said to have purchased ballistic missiles produced in Pakistan.

So what happens if Iran goes nuclear, and Saudi Arabia wants to follow?

For all its wealth, Saudi Arabia does not have the technical and scientific base to create a nuclear infrastructure. Too weak to defend itself and too rich to be left alone, the country has always been surrounded by those who eye its wealth. It has many universities staffed by highly paid expatriates and tens of thousands of Saudi students have been sent to universities overseas. But because of an ideological attitude unsuited to the acquisition of modern scientific skills, there has been little success in producing a significant number of accomplished Saudi engineers and scientists.

Perforce, Saudi Arabia will turn to Pakistan for nuclear help. This does not mean outright transfer of nuclear weapons by Pakistan to Saudi Arabia. One cannot put credence on rumours that the Saudis have purchased nuclear warheads stocked at Kamra air force base, to be flown out at the opportune time. Surely, this would certainly lead to extreme reaction from the US and Europe, with no support offered by China or Russia. Moreover, even if a few weapons were smuggled out, Saudi Arabia could not claim to have them. Thus they could not serve as a nuclear deterrent.

Instead, the Kingdom’s route to nuclear weapons is likely to be circuitous, beginning with the acquisition of nuclear reactors for electricity generation. The spent fuel from reactors can be processed for plutonium. Like Iran, it will have to find creative ways by which to skirt around the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty – which forbids reprocessing spent fuel. But it doubtless takes heart from the fact that the US forgave India for its nuclear testing in 1998, and eventually ended rewarding it with a nuclear deal. Saudi Arabia had unwillingly signed on to the NPT in 1988. Its position then was that it would be happy to sign up but only if Israel did the same. That, of course, never happened. But Saudi Arabia had no option but to follow the US diktat.

The Kingdom’s first steps towards making nuclear weapons are being contemplated. In June 2011, it said that 16 nuclear reactors were to be built over the next 20 years at a cost of more than $300 billion, each reactor costing around $7 billion. Arrangements are being made to offer the project for international bidding and the winning company should “satisfy the Kingdom’s needs for modern technology”. To create, run and maintain the resulting nuclear infrastructure will require importing large numbers of technical workers. Some will be brought over from western countries, as well as Russia and former Soviet Union countries.

But Saudi Arabia will likely find engineering and scientific skills from Pakistan particularly desirable. Since many are Sunni Muslims, the Pakistanis would presumably be sympathetic with the Kingdom’s larger goals. Having been in the business of producing nuclear weapons for nearly 30 years under difficult circumstances, they would also be familiar with supplier chains for hard-to-get items needed in a weapons programme. And because salaries in Saudi Arabia far exceed those in Pakistan, many qualified people could well ask for leave from their parent institutions at the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, Kahuta Research Laboratories, and National Development Complex.

Good sense dictates that Iran stops its pursuit of the Bomb. But whether it does or not, Pakistan should stay out of the Iran-Saudi nuclear rivalry. Over and above all this, Israel and the United States must stop threatening to bomb Iran.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 23rd, 2012

No good sense dictates that we link up with the Iranians. Rather than a country that has to follow American diktat and we know Americans bear us ill will
 
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@ longbrained; you have no clue about the terrorism sponsors and Pakistan's image history.

Kidnapped children and drunken fighters disguised as 'Taliban' killing only Pakistanis and addressed by media as 'Pakistan Talibans' is all artificial and product of Asif Ali Zardari.

We disown what ever this spiritual leader of some idiots did to Pakistan.

There is nothing wrong in what 'Somebozo' stated and your aggression have no reasons.

I disagree to every thing you blamed about Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan used to have open borders with Iran and projects of regional development co-operation were in pipeline, until, the arrival of 'Khumaini', which proved to be wedge between the planned regional co-operation.
'Khumaini' reversed Iran's foreign policy towards regional states incl. Pakistan.

In the same period King Faisal was murdered, who founded Islamic block and blocked oil supplies to US.

With all such timeline, one can clearly see conspiracy of divide being engineered.

Simple advise open your minds and don't believe what is being fed to you.

BTW.. Ahmad Dedat was honored by Saudi Arabia.

Honor for Ahmed Deedat - Arab News

Again a bunch of lies just like that of Somebozo. What Saudis have done for Pakistan. Right now we need, electricity and gas. Iran has offered both. Saudis have offered none. A friend in need is a friend indeed. As for Ahmad Deedat, he clearly says in his lecture that Iran is a great Islamic country after the revolution. The fact that Saudis have honored him, only highlights this point more and shows the caliber of the man.
 
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Again a bunch of lies just like that of Somebozo. What Saudis have done for Pakistan. Right now we need, electricity and gas. Iran has offered both. Saudis have offered none. A friend in need is a friend indeed. As for Ahmad Deedat, he clearly says in his lecture that Iran is a great Islamic country after the revolution. The fact that Saudis have honored him, only highlights this point more and shows the caliber of the man.

Thousands of Pakistanis work in Saudi Arabia from generations, incl. Shia.

Saudi Arabia has given Pakistan free oil on many occasions.

Saudi Arabia has always lead relief efforts in Pakistan.

All what you are claiming about Iran is not aid!

Gas & Electricity offer to Pakistan is perhaps the most profitable business venture for Iran, it has ever undertaken.

Please, compare the gas and electricity production cost in Pakistan and Tariff offered by Iran.
 
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Thousands of Pakistanis work in Saudi Arabia from generations, incl. Shia.

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And you know I met a lorry driver from Saudi who went there from Pakistan to work in Saudi, he was visiting UK said money was okay but sad that we in UK got treated better by Brits than they were treated by Arabs and that Arabs called Pakistanis Orphans, yea orphans.

Saudi Arabia has given Pakistan free oil on many occasions.

Saudi Arabia has always lead relief efforts in Pakistan.

We don't need or want charity. This is money given to our leaders to steal and bribing Pakistani leaders because they want Pakistan manpower to protect them from their own people

Gas & Electricity offer to Pakistan is perhaps the most profitable business venture for Iran, it has ever undertaken.

Please, compare the gas and electricity production cost in Pakistan and Tariff offered by Iran.

Why you looking for charity from any country, God has given us arms to work and do business with our Iranian brothers. Wy you want to behave like a begger like our leaders

Again a bunch of lies just like that of Somebozo. What Saudis have done for Pakistan. Right now we need, electricity and gas. Iran has offered both. Saudis have offered none. A friend in need is a friend indeed. As for Ahmad Deedat, he clearly says in his lecture that Iran is a great Islamic country after the revolution. The fact that Saudis have honored him, only highlights this point more and shows the caliber of the man.

Worse that Mosa comes on here and is proud they are doing defense deals with India. Of course these deals are encouraged by their father America

To Iranian brothers I would like you to check the number of posts that Batman has done to the number of thanks he has got. You will see it is a crap ratio. That is because Indians dont like him cos he is Pakistani and most Pakistanis don't appreciate his biast views. I think Saudis may have paid for his indoctrination/education so he feels he has to be loyal to those that he has received charity from. You see he like charity for Pakistan
 
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And you know I met a lorry driver from Saudi who went there from Pakistan to work in Saudi, he was visiting UK said money was okay but sad that we in UK got treated better by Brits than they were treated by Arabs and that Arabs called Pakistanis Orphans, yea orphans.



We don't need or want charity. This is money given to our leaders to steal and bribing Pakistani leaders because they want Pakistan manpower to protect them from their own people



Why you looking for charity from any country, God has given us arms to work and do business with our Iranian brothers. Wy you want to behave like a begger like our leaders



Worse that Mosa comes on here and is proud they are doing defense deals with India. Of course these deals are encouraged by their father America

To Iranian brothers I would like you to check the number of posts that Batman has done to the number of thanks he has got. You will see it is a crap ratio. That is because Indians dont like him cos he is Pakistani and most Pakistanis don't appreciate his biast views. I think Saudis may have paid for his indoctrination/education so he feels he has to be loyal to those that he has received charity from. You see he like charity for Pakistan

These guys never get it. I am sorry to say.
 
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We have in Pakistan goons that love Saudi Arabia and goons that love Iran, both are a problem and both should be dealt with harshly as they are both doing the same thing and that is working to sell out Pakistan.
 
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