Now Indians Calling SU-30 MKI as Indigenous !

[Anik101]

lol question remain the same .
if you are capable of making hi tech planes why do you fail in a project like tejas ?
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if i am good at making automatic rifle i will try machine gun next and certainly wont fail in single bullet rifle .

Tejas wasn't the first plane developed by India. There is a long list and some are still with IAF and IN. The reason why Tejas failed was mismanagement. HAL which produces Su30MKI was not incharge of LCA project and Su30 production started in 2004, 12 years after development of Tejas started.

 

[YeBeWarned]

A very important difference Indian members are missing here that IAF buy a existing product from Russia which was already in service with them , but Pakistan has co develop JF thunder , we have significant input in design of thunder . Without Pakistan there would be no JF thunder but without India su30 would still be flying in many countries .

 

[Windjammer]

It's become in Indians nature to make noise on anything and everything they managed to assemble.
By making these claims, they are only at best fooling their own public as the world in general only knows well the Indian manufacturing capabilities specially in the defence sector. In some circles, the DRDO is even called , Pakistan's secret weapon. Coming back to the favourite Indian term, Indigenous.... well they claimed same for the AEW&CS Netra, until it got exposed by CAG.....what to say of a platform which was first entirely produced by the Russians and later exported to India.

''The report has come down heavily on the programme over its claim of indigenousness. Despite the project being called home made, it was only 48 per cent indigenous. The DRDO had claimed it to be 81 per cent. And, the cost of foreign consultancy, about Rs 106 crore, was categorised as indigenous.''

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...sed-DRDO-mishandling-of-AEW-CS-programme.html

 

[JohnWick]

And why does PAF needs JF17 Block II and III??? Commonsense is a rarity here especially with the senior members.

But PAF already inducted blk1 more than total no of Tejass ever made!

HAL which produces Su30MKI was not incharge of LCA project

Aj ziada pi le hai

 

[khanmubashir]

Because of mismanagement. And who says we failed.

Believe mismanagement isn't synonym for success but is more related to failure Sonny

 

[Arsalan 345]

su-30 is a good fighter but it's not a fighter made by india,it's russian fighter.indians assemble.all the critical parts comes from russia.

 

[Chhatrapati]

A very important difference Indian members are missing here that IAF buy a existing product from Russia which was already in service with them , but Pakistan has co develop JF thunder , we have significant input in design of thunder . Without Pakistan there would be no JF thunder but without India su30 would still be flying in many countries .

Wonder what you have contributed to a country who already produces air crafts, looks like just a JV for the sake of a JV. Engine - Russian, Air frame designed and avionics designed by Chinese. Can you quote the critical components Pakistan contributed to JF-17? With or without Pakistan they can easily develop a fighter jet.

Compared to that, the version of Su-30 MKI is exclusive for us with a lot of indigenous components from computers both radar and mission computers to processors developed. There maybe Su-30 flying but not the MKI's. And we don't have to sell them, it's one of the best Su-30's out there.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Wonder what you have contributed to a country who already produces air crafts, looks like just a JV for the sake of a JV. Engine - Russian, Air frame designed and avionics designed by Chinese. Can you quote the critical components Pakistan contributed to JF-17? With or without Pakistan they can easily develop a fighter jet.

Compared to that, the version of Su-30 MKI is exclusive for us with a lot of indigenous components from computers both radar and mission computers to processors developed. There maybe Su-30 flying but not the MKI's. And we don't have to sell them, it's one of the best Su-30's out there.

Go through JF thunder threads and you will know what we contribute ..

 

[Ultima Thule]

You resort to trolling when you fail to counter an argument with facts which I guess you lack.
BTW do you even have a supersonic wind tunnel facility in your country. I don't think there is any other country in this world which claims to have developed a fighter jet without proper wind tunnel facility.

We have hypersonic wind tunnel at karachi @Anik101

 

[Chhatrapati]

Go through JF thunder threads and you will know what we contribute ..

Couldn't find any critical components sire. This is all I got from a thread anyway, https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-ecm-and-missiles.559483/page-2#post-10551609

 

[Ultima Thule]

And why does PAF needs JF17 Block II and III??? Commonsense is a rarity here especially with the senior members.

JF-17 Block II and III lot later during its operational life as compare to IAF is not satisfied with the performance your MK-1 that's why they want MK-1A/MK-2 lot earlier than our Blk-2/Blk-3 @Anik101

 

[YeBeWarned]

Couldn't find any critical components sire. This is all I got from a thread anyway, https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-ecm-and-missiles.559483/page-2#post-10551609

There are 7 separate threads in PDF alone ..

 

[randomradio]

Will Russia pay for India, when Su-30SM, Russian version of Su-30MKI, gets orders?

Russia imports some avionics from India for the Su-30SM. Like mission computers.

Although we didn't sign up for ownership, we signed up for deep ToT. So we even manufacture the engine in India. Not assemble, but manufacture.

Raw Materials is indigenous.

MKI's raw materials are imported from Russia.

>Indian Air Force>

No technology transfer in the Su-30 spare parts deal

The agreement last month between the Russian manufacturers of Sukhoi-30 aircraft and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for supply of spares does not entail any technology transfer, parliament was told on Tuesday.

“Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has signed agreements with Russian original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and United Engine Corporation (UEC) for long-term support on after sales service of Su-30 MKI aircraft…

“The Agreement signed by HAL with Russian OEMs are for long-term supply of spares and rendering technical assistance for five years and do not cover any technology transfer,” Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre told the Rajya Sabha in a written reply.

The agreement, signed during the Indo-Russia Military-Industrial Conference held here on March 17-18, will allow HAL to procure spares on the price catalogues directly from the manufacturers, thus improving the after sales service by reducing lead time in their procurement.

The frontline strike fighter of the Indian Air Force has suffered serviceability problems in the past

One of the agreements, signed between HAL and UAC, is for the supply of spares and technical assistance for five years, while the second between HAL and UEC is for supply of spares for engines of Russian origin.

A report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in December 2015 said Su-30 MKI aircraft with the IAF suffer from poor serviceability, which is just around 55 per cent against the prescribed norm of 75 per cent.

In January 2017, then Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the serviceability of the fighters has improved, and is now at 60 per cent. Informed sources said the present serviceability of the Su-30 MKI fleet is between 60 and 65 per cent.

Because the Russians have been told to set up spares production facilities in India through JVs.

my only question .
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if indians are thats good in making planes why tejas took 35 years and still failed?

Full configured fighter prototype flew in 2010 and received IOC in 2013.

AL31P Engine is manufactured at HAL Koraput division (Core is directly imported from Russia), Airframe is produced at HAL Nashik.

Even the core is built in India. Even the single crystal blades are grown in India. We only import some of the alloys.

The only major part we import from Russia is the landing gear, because it was too expensive to make in India.

 

[Ultima Thule]

So we even manufacture the engine in India. Not assemble, but manufacture.

And you can't build and manufacturing KAVERI and talk tall that you're manufactured AL-31,what a jester you're @randomradio

 

[randomradio]

It's become in Indians nature to make noise on anything and everything they managed to assemble.
By making these claims, they are only at best fooling their own public as the world in general only knows well the Indian manufacturing capabilities specially in the defence sector. In some circles, the DRDO is even called , Pakistan's secret weapon. Coming back to the favourite Indian term, Indigenous.... well they claimed same for the AEW&CS Netra, until it got exposed by CAG.....what to say of a platform which was first entirely produced by the Russians and later exported to India.

''The report has come down heavily on the programme over its claim of indigenousness. Despite the project being called home made, it was only 48 per cent indigenous. The DRDO had claimed it to be 81 per cent. And, the cost of foreign consultancy, about Rs 106 crore, was categorised as indigenous.''

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...sed-DRDO-mishandling-of-AEW-CS-programme.html

It's a misinformed article. Indigenisation percentage based on cost is 51%. What covers the import cost of 49% is raw materials, landing gear and a few specific alloys that go into the engine. Everything else is indigenously produced from scratch.

When you consider components, more than 85% of the parts and components are made in India.

And you can't build and manufacturing KAVERI and talk tall that you're manufactured AL-31,what a jester you're @randomradio

We have built, manufactured, tested Kaveri. It's now in the integration phase for LCA. It cleared certification for integration only a few months ago.

And the Kaveri will also be the primary engine for our IUSAV drone program and the AMCA.