Now Indians Calling SU-30 MKI as Indigenous !

[GumNaam]

It's a misinformed article. Indigenisation percentage based on cost is 51%. What covers the import cost of 49% is raw materials, landing gear and a few specific alloys that go into the engine. Everything else is indigenously produced from scratch.

When you consider components, more than 85% of the parts and components are made in India.



We have built, manufactured, tested Kaveri. It's now in the integration phase for LCA. It cleared certification for integration only a few months ago.

And the Kaveri will also be the primary engine for our IUSAV drone program and the AMCA.

the only thing "indigenous" on the mki is the pilot that flies it!

 

[Ultima Thule]

We have built, manufactured, tested Kaveri. It's now in the integration phase for LCA. It cleared certification for integration only a few months ago.

And the Kaveri will also be the primary engine for our IUSAV drone program and the AMCA

what a fool you're, you built a core of AL-31 and its accessories and can't develop and finished without foreign help,what a clown you're @randomradio

 

[randomradio]

what a fool you're, you built a core of AL-31 and its accessories and can't develop and finished without foreign help,what a clown you're @randomradio

No relation.

 

[GumNaam]

It's a misinformed article. Indigenisation percentage based on cost is 51%. What covers the import cost of 49% is raw materials, landing gear and a few specific alloys that go into the engine. Everything else is indigenously produced from scratch.

When you consider components, more than 85% of the parts and components are made in India.



We have built, manufactured, tested Kaveri. It's now in the integration phase for LCA. It cleared certification for integration only a few months ago.

And the Kaveri will also be the primary engine for our IUSAV drone program and the AMCA.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-...-that-it-failed-high-altitude-tests-in-Russia

two things are clear from the article above.

1. kaveri is a failure
2. kaveri is NOT indigenous since it would not have even made it this far without russian help
3. did I mention that kaveri is a failure...cuz it is.

 

[pkd]

Evey thing Indians touches is indigenous. Even the word indigenous is a portmanteau of India and Genius aka Indiagenius

 

[Thorough Pro]

Only Nose and Tail of the plane .................. and everything between

Can you name those very few imported parts of su 30?

 

[Ultima Thule]

No relation.

That's why i called you a jester @randomradio , you have the tech to manufacture all its parts at home and claim that, but you can't build/develop your own engine from scratch, what jester you're @randomradio

 

[Chhatrapati]

There are 7 separate threads in PDF alone ..

lol! Then why don't you bring that up.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Su30 mki is as much as indigenious as jf-17 is for pakistan.

But we also got lca to be named as another indigenious fighter.

LCA is 60% imported as well kid!.......
JFT project was never indigenous it was always a joint venture, 'JF' itself stands for Joint Fighter....nobody ever claimed it to be a indigenous ever....Pakistan manufactures 58% of the aircraft and rest is imported as Pakistan owns 58% of the project and same is true for work share agreement under which Pakistan manufactures 58% of the aircraft and rest is imported!

 

[Rajesh Kumar]

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Indigenous Sukhoi-30MKI Costlier Than Russian SU-30 As Specs Not Same: Centre

Owing to the low volume of production of Indian SU-30 MKI as compared to Russian SU-30, economies of scale come into play, Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre said.

All India | Press Trust of India | Updated: January 03, 2019 00:14 IST


NEW DELHI: The indigenous manufactured Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet is costlier than the Russian SU-30 as their specifications are not the same and it would not be appropriate to compare costs, the government said Wednesday.

Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre, in a written answer to a question in Lok Sabha, said the higher cost of indigenously manufactured SU-30MKI is due to factors such as additional modifications incorporated in the plane to enhance the operational capability to suit the Indian Air Force's requirements.

The minister said that being a transfer of technology (ToT) programme, cost is involved towards payment of license fee to the Russian side.

Owing to the low volume of production of Indian SU-30 MKI as compared to Russian SU-30, economies of scale come into play, Mr Bhamre said.

Import of raw materials and proprietary components from Russia involves dependency on Russian Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) for the offered kit costs, which are not proportionate with the kit contents, he said.

The minister, however, asserted that indigenous manufacturing has created advanced skill sets in the country, a step towards self-reliance and will result in lower life cycle cost and reduced dependency on OEM, repair, maintenance, faster turn-around time, and quick support to IAF bases.

Since the facilities are indigenous, future production supplies is likely to be cheaper if new order for bulk production is placed on Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Mr Bhamre said.

To another question, Mr Bhamre said 31 fighter squadrons are operational in Indian Air Force and 36 Rafale jets have been requisitioned in ready-made fly away condition.

Responding to another question, he said currently, 195 out of 593 posts are vacant in Armed Forces Tribunal which include group A, B, and C posts as well as members.

SU 30 MKi is same level of indigenous as Jf 17, and both are represent a common with word " OEM"...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Indigenous Sukhoi-30MKI Costlier Than Russian SU-30 As Specs Not Same: Centre

Owing to the low volume of production of Indian SU-30 MKI as compared to Russian SU-30, economies of scale come into play, Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre said.

All India | Press Trust of India | Updated: January 03, 2019 00:14 IST


NEW DELHI: The indigenous manufactured Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet is costlier than the Russian SU-30 as their specifications are not the same and it would not be appropriate to compare costs, the government said Wednesday.

Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre, in a written answer to a question in Lok Sabha, said the higher cost of indigenously manufactured SU-30MKI is due to factors such as additional modifications incorporated in the plane to enhance the operational capability to suit the Indian Air Force's requirements.

The minister said that being a transfer of technology (ToT) programme, cost is involved towards payment of license fee to the Russian side.

Owing to the low volume of production of Indian SU-30 MKI as compared to Russian SU-30, economies of scale come into play, Mr Bhamre said.

Import of raw materials and proprietary components from Russia involves dependency on Russian Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) for the offered kit costs, which are not proportionate with the kit contents, he said.

The minister, however, asserted that indigenous manufacturing has created advanced skill sets in the country, a step towards self-reliance and will result in lower life cycle cost and reduced dependency on OEM, repair, maintenance, faster turn-around time, and quick support to IAF bases.

Since the facilities are indigenous, future production supplies is likely to be cheaper if new order for bulk production is placed on Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Mr Bhamre said.

To another question, Mr Bhamre said 31 fighter squadrons are operational in Indian Air Force and 36 Rafale jets have been requisitioned in ready-made fly away condition.

Responding to another question, he said currently, 195 out of 593 posts are vacant in Armed Forces Tribunal which include group A, B, and C posts as well as members.

Higher Costs are explained by custom build
Western avionics and specs in addition to economies of scale

MKI is indeed unique. They assemble it but yes ot is unfair when their fanboys joke about jf17

 

[MilSpec]

Higher Costs are explained by custom build
Western avionics and specs in addition to economies of scale

MKI is indeed unique. They assemble it but yes ot is unfair when their fanboys joke about jf17

Finally a sane voice, jeez. Hope you are doing well.

The thread is about the OP taking offense to the word indigenous in the opening statement.
"The indigenous manufactured Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet is costlier than the Russian SU-30 as their specifications are not the same and it would not be appropriate to compare costs, the government said Wednesday".

the word indigenous in merriams refers to : produced, growing, living, or occurring naturally in a particular region or environment.

the above sentence has a few commas which is conveniently ignored. When used in context of indigenous manufactured; it refers to SU30MKI's made in India are more expensive, the OP rather took his or her lack of comprehension to an entire different level. Nevertheless, members slinging out profanities at each other for no rhyme or reason has become dark entertainment now;

On a positive note, its a relief that every other day the OP doesn't start toilet threads as back in the day.

 

[Windjammer]

It is now obvious that the some losers aping to be some form of TT have had their brains implanted by the likes of DRDO, who like some of the company's other products are just full of it and try to get attention with every turn of a screw. The genius TT reminds me of the Basanti who is married off into a fishing community, initially she complains about the smell but as she gets accustomed to it, she starts boasting that since she arrived , all the smell has disappeared. Seems the TT has all the smell and else lodged in the upper crust thus he/she/it is condemned to repeat same nonsense in every reply.

 

[AMG_12]

The concept of Indigenous in South Asia is a bit half-baked. According to ISPR, we inducted "Indigenous A-100 MRL" just like India's "Indigenous SU-30".

 

[randomradio]

That's why i called you a jester @randomradio , you have the tech to manufacture all its parts at home and claim that, but you can't build/develop your own engine from scratch, what jester you're @randomradio

AL-31FP ToT is manufacturing ToT and it went to HAL.

DRDO's Kaveri requires design ToT which no one is willing to give, but is being developed on our own. DRDO and HAL are unrelated.