Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[airomerix]

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

For all those people complaining that why did they not eject? Ejection is not that simple, there are certain parameters that have to be met in order for a successful ejection. Quite a few times pilots managed to eject but were killed instantly because there speed was to high or angle was incorrect. Flying will always remain a dangerous thing no matter how much technology has progressed. May Allah give there families sabar. Brave sons of soil.

True.

Mariam Mukhtiar did eject. However, the ejection sequence of FT-7 seats is 15 degree left (front) and 15 degree right (rear). Her aircraft was already at an angle and her 15 degrees meant she would hit the hill with full force. And she did.

Ejections are fatal at worst and traumatising at best.

 

[Windjammer]

Apparently just found out that although both pilots ejected but sadly their chutes didn't deploy properly.
However, I was right in the fact that last PAF crash occurred on 23 Jan 2019 in Quetta again involved an F-7.

 

[TsAr]

Apparently just found out that although both pilots ejected but sadly their chutes didn't deploy properly.
However, I was right that in the fact that last PAF crash occurred on 23 Jan 2019 in Quetta again involved an F-7.

Possible reason could be that that they were flying very low...

True.

Mariam Mukhtiar did eject. However, the ejection sequence of FT-7 seats is 15 degree left (front) and 15 degree right (rear). Her aircraft was already at an angle and her 15 degrees meant she would hit the hill with full force. And she did.

Ejections are fatal at worst and traumatising at best.

I was watching a interview of a F-15 pilot who had ejected along with his navigator, the pilot is said to be the only one to have ejected and survived at such high G's force but was severely injured and his navigator instantly died when he came out of the cockpit because of the force of the wind.

 

[Windjammer]

Possible reason could be that that they were flying very low...

Yes, they were flying over a buildup area when the emergency but remained with the aircraft until it cleared the populated part, by then it was too late.

 

[Raider 21]

Possible reason could be that that they were flying very low...

I was watching a interview of a F-15 pilot who had ejected along with his navigator, the pilot is said to be the only one to have ejected and survived at such high G's force but was severely injured and his navigator instantly died when he came out of the cockpit because of the force of the wind.

That was a unique case they ejected angled and while supersonic.

 

[mingle]

An FT-7PG crashed just over a year ago, cause was pilot error. Human error is very much possible as much as technical failures, never forget that. And no I disagree, those are meaningless conclusions unless proven otherwise.

Time to let these old fellas to go replace them with JF17 B or Armanchi

 

[Windjammer]

 

[mingle]

True.

Mariam Mukhtiar did eject. However, the ejection sequence of FT-7 seats is 15 degree left (front) and 15 degree right (rear). Her aircraft was already at an angle and her 15 degrees meant she would hit the hill with full force. And she did.

Ejections are fatal at worst and traumatising at best.

Any mood of PAF to replace these old jetts hard to maintain mechanical wise also hard to fly for ruke new Era jet trainers a lot easy to fly

 

[Jammer]

A very tragic day, such is the price our men in uniform pay to defend our nation. May they both rest in eternal peace and may their families find the courage to withstand this earth shattering blow.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Rest in peace.. the price we pay to fly obsolete aircraft with obsolete safety measures..

I hope they conclude the techinical faults asap and avoid more lives lost. This is part of life crashes are rare in paf but still there no one is perfect.

 

[Yaseen1]

jf17 should replace old f7s now

 

[Minho]

RIP to the pilots, prayers to their families

 

[GriffinsRule]

Of the 11 FT-7 crashes, seems like only 5 of them had both pilots safely ejecting, other 4 at least 1 pilot died and 3 crashes where both pilots died.
The ranks of the martyred officers gives an indication of who is flying these jets, and points to the lack of a suitable LIFT jet trainer since the retirement of FT-5s. K-8 is a basic subsonic trainer and not exactly suitable for the role.

Flying Officers: 2 x Inj, 3 x Killed
Flight Lieutenants: 1 x Inj, 2 x Killed
Squadron Leaders: 1 x Inj, 2 x Killed
Wing Commanders: 1 x Inj, 1 x Killed
Unknown Rank: 8 x Okay

Still, (11 FT-7 + 52 F-7) crashes since their induction in 1988 in not a very rosy numbers. These crashes are not all attributed to the age of the aircraft of course, since the first couple of crashes happened back in 1992.
Lot of factors can contribute to the crash, including engine troubles, bird hits, structural damage, pilot error, or just complications during take off or landing. At least two crashes happened when the canopy of the aircraft failed that resulted in 2 fatalities.

Even early 4th generation aircraft bring a lot of safety features into aircraft design over the Mig-21/F-7 that increases pilot safety by a lot. Hopefully we will be rid of these aircraft soon as more JF-17B roll off the production lines.

 

[khanasifm]

Of the 11 FT-7 crashes, seems like only 5 of them had both pilots safely ejecting, other 4 at least 1 pilot died and 3 crashes where both pilots died.
The ranks of the martyred officers gives an indication of who is flying these jets, and points to the lack of a suitable LIFT jet trainer since the retirement of FT-5s. K-8 is a basic subsonic trainer and not exactly suitable for the role.

Flying Officers: 2 x Inj, 3 x Killed
Flight Lieutenants: 1 x Inj, 2 x Killed
Squadron Leaders: 1 x Inj, 2 x Killed
Wing Commanders: 1 x Inj, 1 x Killed
Unknown Rank: 8 x Okay

Still, (11 FT-7 + 52 F-7) crashes since their induction in 1988 in not a very rosy numbers. These crashes are not all attributed to the age of the aircraft of course, since the first couple of crashes happened back in 1992.
Lot of factors can contribute to the crash, including engine troubles, bird hits, structural damage, pilot error, or just complications during take off or landing. At least two crashes happened when the canopy of the aircraft failed that resulted in 2 fatalities.

Even early 4th generation aircraft bring a lot of safety features into aircraft design over the Mig-21/F-7 that increases pilot safety by a lot. Hopefully we will be rid of these aircraft soon as more JF-17B roll off the production lines.

Pad had 135 f7s plus another ~60 f7pg

So total 11+52 out of total inventory has crashed ??

So ~63 out of ~195 that’s 32%

What is the source of the numbers ?

 

[GriffinsRule]

Pad had 135 f7s plus another ~60 f7pg

So total 11+52 out of total inventory has crashed ??

So ~63 out of ~195 that’s 32%

What is the source of the numbers ?

Sources are newspapers, websites, magazines etc etc