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Good idea.

Anything that provides a mix of affordability and reliability to PAF will do.
I wonder if the PAF would try avoiding anything that can be construed as a light fighter (so as to support JF-17 sales). If so, then it should be looking at the Hawk since, for the most part, it's marketed as a trainer.
 
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That ‘see’ would be a one time see :D:D
Nopes, there was a case with an aircraft belonging to Red Arrows where the front ejection seat fired while the aircraft was static....unfortunately the pilot fell 200 feet to his death as the parachute never deployed.

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Nopes, there was a case with an aircraft belonging to Red Arrows where the front ejection seat fired while the aircraft was static....unfortunately the pilot fell 200 feet to his death as the parachute never deployed.

Red%20Arrows%20ejector%20seat%20death%20%28PA-28751064%29.jpg
No, i meant, if we use the ejection once, can we use it again if the seat remains intact upon hit ?
Like car airbags?
 
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The last time the CAS spoke the main options were M346, L-15 and T-50. They can look at the Hurjet, but that's a few years out, and it seems the LIFT program is more urgent.


Hawk is plausible, especially with the relative thaw in UK-Pakistan defence ties. If anything, it seems more PAF pilots can vouch for the Hawk than most other platforms.
Not to mention so many ex-PAF pilots have flown on them, in fact one of the highest hours in the world on the Hawk 100 series is an ex-Pakistani AF pilot who has 3000+ hours on the type. UK doesn't sell the 50s/60s anymore, those have ceased production. South Korea and UAE have a couple on sale, unless all the UAE 60s ended up in Jordan as there talks for that. The 100 series are too expensive for PAF, yet an excellent aircraft.

Like they service the aircraft engine, avionics or airframe, I wonder if same is done for ejection seats to see if allthe mechanisms are in working order.
Yes they were. Martin Baker has strict timelines for them.

Nopes, there was a case with an aircraft belonging to Red Arrows where the front ejection seat fired while the aircraft was static....unfortunately the pilot fell 200 feet to his death as the parachute never deployed.

Red%20Arrows%20ejector%20seat%20death%20%28PA-28751064%29.jpg
That was a bad year for them. They lost 2 pilots in 4 months.
 
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Not to mention so many ex-PAF pilots have flown on them, in fact one of the highest hours in the world on the Hawk 100 series is an ex-Pakistani AF pilot who has 3000+ hours on the type. UK doesn't sell the 50s/60s anymore, those have ceased production. South Korea and UAE have a couple on sale, unless all the UAE 60s ended up in Jordan as there talks for that. The 100 series are too expensive for PAF, yet an excellent aircraft.
It would depend on the UK's willingness to extend a loan. However, seeing how the PAF is looking at the LIFT as a permanent fixture of its future fleet, and that it may be the only off-the-shelf buy (unless F-16s fall on the table), it can happen. However, Italy might be more forthcoming (on loans, etc) with the M346, and it earned a call-out from the CAS along with the T-50 and L-15.
 
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It would depend on the UK's willingness to extend a loan. However, seeing how the PAF is looking at the LIFT as a permanent fixture of its future fleet, and that it may be the only off-the-shelf buy (unless F-16s fall on the table), it can happen. However, Italy might be more forthcoming (on loans, etc) with the M346, and it earned a call-out from the CAS along with the T-50 and L-15.
M346 is more expensive than the Hawk 50/60s. T-50 would be good too (ex-PAF pilot evaluated it years ago with UAEAF, his comments were very favorable). UK will not extend a loan.
 
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M346 is more expensive than the Hawk 50/60s. T-50 would be good too (ex-PAF pilot evaluated it years ago with UAEAF, his comments were very favorable). UK will not extend a loan.
Yep. The quote for the M346 was around $45-50 m per aircraft, not sure how many years of support Leonardo was including though. But a loan is available for the M346 (and CAMM-ER if and when that enters the conversation).
 
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No, i meant, if we use the ejection once, can we use it again if the seat remains intact upon hit ?
Like car airbags?
Hardly, remember after ejection the seat separates from the pilot and falls freely, to give you an idea, these are the remains of the ejection seat and survival equipment of Indian MiG-21 that was shot down by our army in Kargil.

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Yep. The quote for the M346 was around $45-50 m per aircraft, not sure how many years of support Leonardo was including though. But a loan is available for the M346 (and CAMM-ER if and when that enters the conversation).

I think M346 may be the best option. Given Pakistan's deep working history with leonardo/finmeccanica (All the grifo radars, Seaspray 7300E for the ATR-72s, etc) it would go a long way in further solidifying a strong defense partnership with italy and would possibly help Pakistan acquire CAMM-ER for the MILGEM frigates.
 
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Yep. The quote for the M346 was around $45-50 m per aircraft, not sure how many years of support Leonardo was including though. But a loan is available for the M346 (and CAMM-ER if and when that enters the conversation).

Wouldn't it be cheaper to use JF17B for LIFT with fly by wire isn't there a possibility to create different flight envelops?
 
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to use JF17B for LIFT with fly by wire isn't there a possibility to create different flight envelops?
Under ACM Sohail Aman that appeared to be the plan (2015), but under ACM Mujahid Anwar, there's been an emphasis on a dedicated LIFT.
 
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