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Look I don't buy into mainstream media too much. I am looking at things from a different prospectus then giving my opinion and you are free to disagree. Now China is being surrounded from all sides and DPRK is neutered let's say by US air strikes is that going to strengthen China? No. This is starting trouble on the Korean peninsula which is attached to China's epicentre.
I know this is a difficult problem for China to deal with. The best result should be the DPRK stop the development of nuclear and USA aircraft carrier leave away. But we could achieve the goal because China has no ability to persuade Kim Jun un to give up the nuclear weapon. If DPRK insists on owning nuclear weapons, there is a chain reaction that ROK and Japan also want to have nuclear weapons. At last, there are going to be full of nuclear bombs in east asian area. And that situation is definitely unacceptable by China ,Russia and USA. Now China is in a hard dilemma.
Instead of being surrounded by nuclear weapons, China will choose a de-nuclearize DPRK.
When it comes to USA's surrounding China, there are lots of US military bases on Japan, ROK, Australia and south asia. DPRK as a very small country having a short defense deep is really not important to China's defense.
And there will never be a large-scale ground war between two nuclear powers.

China's epicentre locates at its southeast part which is the most developed area of the country . Taiwan is attached to it and people of Taiwan is 100% Chinese. China has not yet been unified with Taiwan till now. How could anybody come up with the idea that we will fight against US for a fat korean?
As i have said on another post, if there is a conflict between China and US, it could only be caused by Taiwan and occur on sea.
What we really concern about North Korea is a huge wave of refugees and lost of nuclear material when the DPRK regime collapses.
 
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How did US push Kim Jin un? DPRK is a small and extremely poor and isolated country with no oil and little resource not like middle east. If Kim Jin un do not develop the nuclear weapon, US do not even give a shit about it. Uncle Sam is too busy and will never do a business with no profit.
Even Cuba at the backyard of US has not gotten bombed by US .
What on earth do you think US can get from this country full of undernourished people and with only one fat man.
For DPRK, the most important thing is to invest limited resource to develop economy to feed its people.
Kim Jin un do not equal the DPRK.
The mainstay of a country is the people not certain man or family.

It's an awsome logic which is in line with the bs of US towards Syria.

I know the treaty.
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Only Kim Jin un could decide if there will be a Korean war 2.0.

It's a quite funny response.

Please don't use the word 'we Chinese'. Thanks.

Don't throw '愤青' to anybody when he has different opinions to you. That's really bad.

即使是种花人也别吵吵,更勿缠着自己人,既然种花,必要四处留香。那句还没翻呢!不翻请别回我,谢谢!
 
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I think, the best way for the Chinese to solve the fat Kim craziness problem is by using US as the scapegoat. Using the current crisis, they have a good chance to replace Kim without getting the blame from others.

1st. Let the US Carrier come to bomb DPRK. Trump has even has a plan to kill fat Kim by sending their best special force.
2nd. With the excuse to protect DPRK, China will send their best Army, I dunno, 6 GN? to Pyongyang. This will force the US stand down for a while; just like the previously Russo-American incident in Syria.
3rd. Kill Kim quietly
4th. Throw the blame to the US and their Delta Force, Navy Seal etc, as the murderer of the leader of DPRK.
5th. With their army there, China can secure the DPRK, and choose a leader that better than Kim Jong Un.
6th. Retreat

Trump will happy. He can achieve his objective, His popularity raise. Navy Seal, Delta Force get another name and got praise by the world, because they "kill "KJU who protected by the Chinese Army. China also happy, because they can replace the Mad Kim but still put DPRK under their arm. They also will be praised because they protect DPRK from American Invasion, although can't protect the surprime leader.

Win - Win Solution for both side.

Good post i agree but keep in mind SCS is next on the US list...
 
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Little cowboy action like Trump did on Homs, Syria toward North Korea will drive little fat Kim mad and use their nuke. China need North Korea, should send clear message to US administration not acting foolish, except their could take out Kim without any missile fly. Any nuke explosion in this region was unacceptable and unbearable. One of two conflicted party should act sane and measured, if both goes insane and irresponsible plus WMD it will be chaos. The last Trump action in Syria show irresponsible act, Kim are prepared anything he could: if he attacked, he will fight even he know will lose at last but he will drag his 'enemies' countries into chaos.
 
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'Solve'? How? With permission of China? It will never happen.

For all Chinese members here. You should read the treaty carefully then you will know what will China do if US attack DPRK.

中华人民共和国和朝鲜民主主义人民共和国友好合作互助条约

The following facts you should also know:
1.China will not allow the country's security situation be threatened by any other countries.
2.The treaty between China and DPRK is still available and we will keep our words.
3.We will not interfere DPRK's domestic issues though there are problems.
4.Current situations in the peninsula mainly exist between DPRK and US.
5.US's intentions to create more chaos in the northeast Asia is to counter China and gain more benefits for its own. Further more, we can even see the groups which will benefit from the chaos.
6.It is not first time and will not be the last time that US claims it want to kill a country's leader. What a robbery mentality and uncivilized behavior.
7.China's solution to the peninsula is six- party talks.
8.DPRK is not Iraq or Lybia.
9.China is not same as the country of 67 years ago

Korean war 2.0? Only morons will provoke and ignite it.

I agree that China has a defensive treaty with DPRK that will expire in 2020. So they have to intervene when US attack DPRK. But I don't agree that they should hold their horse and avoid to interfere DPRK domestic issue, because DPRK has given China a lot of problem and give US and Japan an excuse to pool their military assets there.

Look at how Kim problem has given China a great disadvantage while give American a great deal of advantage to their rivalry. Do you know what it means that the US has an excuse to pool their military assets to the region?

Before that, you have to understand what is the biggest American disadvantaged toward China. It's the range. They need to bring their military assets from the American continents to the battlefield, and it's far. You shouldn't distracted with their Ranger, Marine, and CBG alone. They have not enough power to fight China. Not in China neighborhood while PLA can gather all their assets to the region faster. They have to bring the majority of their military assets to the conflict area. And guess what, that's a great weakness to them, because China can always disturb the transfer on the way, and use the time to destroy the American foothold before they can establish their position there. That's the principle of China's Access Denied Strategy.

Now, because of Kim, The US has an excuse the transfer their military assets to Korean Peninsula without China can interfere. So when they succeed, the majority of the US military assets will be there. Thus, when China and US have a conflict, you have to face against the full capability of US military asset in the region.

Well, you still have a chance to win, but it will be bloodbath for China, and has a chance to decrease your industrial, economy power back into stone age. Because your A2D2 strategy has been failed.

So if you don't want to be a poor China guy again, you have to thwart the US strategy to gather their military assets in the Korean Peninsula. The question is how. But everyone know the reason. It's Kim Jong Un with all his madness. I doubt that the American consider DPRK as a real threat. No, they don't. DPRK is just an excuse for them to establish their military assets in the region. Their target is always China.

I know this is a difficult problem for China to deal with. The best result should be the DPRK stop the development of nuclear and USA aircraft carrier leave away. But we could achieve the goal because China has no ability to persuade Kim Jun un to give up the nuclear weapon. If DPRK insists on owning nuclear weapons, there is a chain reaction that ROK and Japan also want to have nuclear weapons. At last, there are going to be full of nuclear bombs in east asian area. And that situation is definitely unacceptable by China ,Russia and USA. Now China is in a hard dilemma.
Instead of being surrounded by nuclear weapons, China will choose a de-nuclearize DPRK.
When it comes to USA's surrounding China, there are lots of US military bases on Japan, ROK, Australia and south asia. DPRK as a very small country having a short defense deep is really not important to China's defense.
And there will never be a large-scale ground war between two nuclear powers.

China's epicentre locates at its southeast part which is the most developed area of the country . Taiwan is attached to it and people of Taiwan is 100% Chinese. China has not yet been unified with Taiwan till now. How could anybody come up with the idea that we will fight against US for a fat korean?
As i have said on another post, if there is a conflict between China and US, it could only be caused by Taiwan and occur on sea.
What we really concern about North Korea is a huge wave of refugees and lost of nuclear material when the DPRK regime collapses.

I think the real problem here is Kim Jong Un. He's mad. He's also disrespected to China. Just look at him, he never officially visit China since he becomes the Chairman of DPRK. KJU also give China some disadvantage in her grand strategy against American Pivots for some occasion. Because of his nuclear program, USA and Japan got their excuse to pool their military assets to Korean Peninsula. So I agree, Kim Jong Un must be dethroned.
 
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If China allows the Yanks to bomb North Korea through some backyard dealing, China really shows its weakness. Yes Kim Jong Un and his regime are crazy, but if anyone attempts to overthrow them, it's gonna be a bloody mess and highly volatile. You're not dealing with your usual Middle East tinpot dictator here, you're dealing with a regime that has built a near religious myth around the Kim family, this is akin to Imperial Japan and their god emperor during WWII.
 
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Apparently China has moved 150k troops to the border with N.Korea? Is this true?
 
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NORTH Korea will retaliate and defend itself “by powerful force of arms” after the US deployed a Navy strike group in the Korean peninsula.

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Kim Jong-un’s state-owned news agency KCNA claimed Trump’s deployment showed “reckless moves for invading” that had now “reached a serious phase”.

It comes after Trump sent the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson into the Sea of Japan after several provocative missile launches from Kim’s communist nation.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...reckless-navy-deployment-kcna-uss-carl-vinson
 
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Someone wants to ignite the powder keg? :) If it does happen forget about Syria, the world will be focusing on a possible nuclear explosion. :enjoy: Tighten your seat belt
 
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Yep counting on kim to press the red button soon.

North Korea vows response to 'reckless' US Navy move: KCNA
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North Korea denounced Washington's deployment of a naval strike group to the Korean Peninsula Tuesday, warning it was ready for "war" in a further escalation of tensions in the region.

"This goes to prove that the US reckless moves for invading the DPRK have reached a serious phase," said a spokesman for the North's foreign ministry according to state-run KCNA news agency, in Pyongyang's first comment since the deployment.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/04/11/north-korea-vows-response-reckless-us-navy-move-kcna

North Korea vows response to 'reckless' US Navy deployment: Report

SEOUL (AFP) - North Korea on Tuesday (April 11) denounced Washington's deployment of a naval strike group to the Korean Peninsula, warning it was ready for "war" in a further escalation of tensions in the region.

"This goes to prove that the US reckless moves for invading the DPRK have reached a serious phase," said a spokesman for the North's foreign ministry, according to state-run KCNA news agency,.

It was Pyongyang's first comment since the deployment.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/ea...esponse-to-reckless-us-navy-deployment-report
 
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Apparently China has moved 150k troops to the border with N.Korea? Is this true?

nope, just more fake news from dailymail. they are the only ones that report it.

If China allows the Yanks to bomb North Korea through some backyard dealing, China really shows its weakness. Yes Kim Jong Un and his regime are crazy, but if anyone attempts to overthrow them, it's gonna be a bloody mess and highly volatile. You're not dealing with your usual Middle East tinpot dictator here, you're dealing with a regime that has built a near religious myth around the Kim family, this is akin to Imperial Japan and their god emperor during WWII.

china have a defense treaty with NK. it will be activated if us bombs NK. if NK bombs usa, then maybe the defense treaty won't be activated.
 
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If China allows the Yanks to bomb North Korea through some backyard dealing, China really shows its weakness. Yes Kim Jong Un and his regime are crazy, but if anyone attempts to overthrow them, it's gonna be a bloody mess and highly volatile. You're not dealing with your usual Middle East tinpot dictator here, you're dealing with a regime that has built a near religious myth around the Kim family, this is akin to Imperial Japan and their god emperor during WWII.
You are correct. This has been my thoughts about North Korea all these yrs.

China cannot afford a NKR collapse and NKR is well on the way there. The choices are unpalatable for everyone, including the Koreans.

Look at East Germany. When East Germany collapsed, where could the East German have gone ? Soviet Union ? Neighboring countries ? No. When East Germany collapse, it was Germans to Germans. However, East Germans were closer to West Germans than North Koreans are to South Koreans. So if China allows NKR to collapse, China and SKR will face a refugee crisis the Germans never had. This means China, in order to have a geopolitical buffer state, must intervene in NKR and as time goes by, that intervention increasingly looks to be military and violent. The argument that NKR serves to annoy the US is a juvenile one. It serves China no good if NKR is a geopolitical provocateur. All NKR has to do is simply exist status quo and everything in the region will be fine.

china have a defense treaty with NK. it will be activated if us bombs NK. if NK bombs usa, then maybe the defense treaty won't be activated.
If you are morally and legally obligated to fight with and for someone else, BOTH of you also have the moral and legal obligations of constraining each other. You cannot be a troublemaker and expect the other guy to fight with you. Either China restraint NKR or face with the choice of fighting NKR's battles or lose NKR as a buffer state.
 
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china have a defense treaty with NK. it will be activated if us bombs NK. if NK bombs usa, then maybe the defense treaty won't be activated.
The treaty actually does not exist because China already commit the embargo of DPRK which is China's ally according to the treaty which is the product of cold war .
There are a few resolutions towards DPRK from UNSC, and China supported them.
Yesterday there was a No.2087 resolution condemning DPRK's program of nuke and ballistic missile that's passed by a unanimous vote in UNSC
A few days ago, president Xi and president Trump finished their meeting with a joint statement which reaffirmed that China and US have the same stance on a de-nuclearize Korean peninsula.
Kim Jung un has gone far away and China will never be kidnapped by a mad man.
A lot of Chinese simply thought the one who is against US will do something good to China automatically.
But no. There are some crazy irrational persons who is harming everyone.
 
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supporting a banana republic like DPRK itself is determinal to China image..
 
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