Non-Christians 'not my brother,' 'not my sister'

[American Eagle]

He is a stand alone Christian, a Deacon in a local Baptist Church.

His being Governor is a separate subject.

The fact that he is our new Governor caused him to be invited to speak to the congregation of the Black Baptist Church in Montgomery. But once there he spoke as a Baptist denomination Deacon, not as a Governor.

US currency has on it: IN GOD WE TRUST

Those who do not believe in God of course can take offense. That is their problem.

The evolution of secular America dates from our founding as nation inthe 1700s. Before that we were British colonies, some parts of the US were Spanish and French territories.

Alabama was under the rule at different times in our history of:

Spain
France
Britian
US
Confederate States of America
again US

I am assuming you live here in Alabama to have taken an interest in this topic.

Here in Alabama some Muslims choose to send their children to Muslim parochial instead of Alabama public schools. That is their choice and right. Other Muslims send their children to public schools, which is fine, too.

We have parochial school systems for Jews, various Protestant denominations, Roman Catholics, in addition to parochial schools for Muslims.

I don't think the Hindus have any parochial schools here in Alabama, instead all Hindu children go to public schools.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Actually I do.........................
I am not the confused one here. Jhobi ka *****, hgar ka na ghat ka.
Have fun with ur confused mind and keyboard.

And I don't profess to. But I do know enough to know the importance of Jesus AS in our lives, at least that of our progeny's! There's no confusion. It's the trinitarians that I know are confused.

 

[Masterchief]

God help america.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

at least their institutions are strong; there is a sense of accountability, law & order and there are mechanisms in place to enforce them --complemented by an endless appeal system

we lack that.....


whack-jobs and fundos will exist in every corner of the world --that's just the way it is

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

I think what BelligerentPacifist is telling us is as follows:

1. To be a Christian, one has to first accept the books and tenants of the Jewish faith which promised the coming of the Messiah. To us this is our Old Testament of our Holy Bible.

2. Then when one is a Christian, while not an ethnic Jew, we have progressed from old Judiasm into today's Christianity. This is the New Testament books of our Holy Bible.

3. Technically the Muslim's believe in the teachings of Mohammad, who first belonged to a primitive Christian Church in what we would know today as Medina, in today's Saudi Arabia. Then Mohammad, as Muslims believe (but not as Christians nor Jews believe) moved into his interpretation and writing of what you know today as your Holy Qua ran.

4. We Christians are "beset" on both fronts. Practicing religious Jews only recognize Jesus as a Prophet. Practicing religious Muslims only recognize Jesus as a Prophet. Christians recognize Jesus as our Lord and Savior, sent by his Father, our in common God on high, as God's sin offering for all mankind who accept Jesus as the way, the truth, and the light, as the Son of God.

5. Where Judiasm and Christianity parted ways with Islam in particular was or is that both Jews and Christians recognize Isaac as the son of Abraham whom Abraham was willing to offer on a fire alter to God...whereas Muslims believe that Abraham's son he was willing to offer on the fire alter to God was Ishmael.

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Summarized. Judism, Christianity and Islam have much in common. We have a common early religious heritage loosely referred to often by me and others as "we are all the children of Abraham" which we are.

You don't know me well enough to write 10 paragraphs explaining what I wanted to say, based on the one sentence I did. Hold on a sec, what I should be saying is: I'm honoured to meet the inventor of the Chinese Telephone!

Please allow me to comment on some of the things you attribute me the authorship of. The real problem I have is you're attributing your misunderstandings as facts about my faith. Hope things get clearer for you and me both:

1) We're both in accord with this one. But for a moment think: is it enough to say "I accept" and then go about violating it and saying "the law is dead, acceptance in the heart is all we need"? We differ and say The Law is still binding, and The Prophets were sent for nothing but to be followed.

Hence, we still follow Mosaic (AS) Law/sharia, version 2.0!

But I understand we'd have differing viewpoints (as two communities), and I respect yours.


2) Fine.


3) This is the main contention I have. Your knowledge is as good as the lies written by orientalists. Muhammad SAW was never part of the Medinite Church, nor did he encounter Christians except as a minor, and after prophethood. He did not offer interpretations* of earlier scriptures or laws. The Qur aan is a divine revelation. Don't believe it? Go write the equivalent of the smallest Suurah. Believe me others have tried, and they'd had ample time!

*The Qur aan does validate previous texts, since the source of them all is the same. Your use of the word 'interpretation' is a disservice to someone your age and experienc.

4) You're talking about today's, or tinitarian, Christians. Early Christianity, and till several centuries later, many small and dying Christian groups e.g. the Nazerites, the Assariyoun and many more etc did not accept Jesus AS' divinity. Neither do we. In as much we believe we're today's true Christians. To ponder: if he AS turns out to be not divine, who's going to be in trouble? He's coming, we know that, and he'd sure let us know his substance!

We give Jesus AS his proper and deserving place, as a human being born of a miracle, a Messenger, the Christ and the Massiah. Let me give you an insider secret: even though this is part of dogma we commoners are not supposed to delve into since it doesn't change the outcome of this life, we are awarded information about the hierarchy of the Messengers. Five are distinguished, including Jesus AS. The first ones are Muhammad SAW and Moses AS, I don't remember the order after that, but peace be with them all, they did their job to perfection. So, not a 'common' Prophet after all.

5) Said with more conviction than information. That the centenarian+ father made the intention to sacrifice his son and the son said "you'll find me from among the accepting" is the real deal, whichever the son was is a detail.

The Qur-aan therefore doesn't talk about the detail. In fact, earlier scholars were in confluence with your opinion, that it was Isaac AS. Later scholars however established it was Ismael AS, peace be upon them both, their father and for the one he wished for, and all the rest of them. See you didn't know this!

We don't dwell on the detail, but on the message.

To your conclusion: I'll add that not only we're the children of the same father, but you're our lost brother and according to us we'll have a family reunion once Jesus AS returns! Till then, I'll urge you (and fellow Muslims) to read Muhammad SAW's letter to the Christian people of Egypt stored in the Saint Katherine Monastery in Egypt; and au revoir.

 

[American Eagle]

Thank you for giving me your beliefs and opinions.

We of course disagree on several points but you have as much right on the face of this tired old earth as I do to have your religious point of view, too.

Rather than debate histories we disagree on I repeat that Christ is the Son of God, raised from the dead after being sacrificed on the cross for the sins of all mankind, mine as well as yours. But Christianity requires one to accept Christ as Savior, as the Son of God, part of the Trinity, the three persons in one, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost to be saved...in our Holy Bibles teachings on this topic. I accept our Bible's teachings and hence believe in the Trinity and accept Jesus as my personal Savior every day of my life.

Earlier belief groups you mentioned are not part of our Christian faith group and never were. They did not make the transition to the Trinity and that says they were never Christians but old school Jews many of whom we simplify using the loose title of "Gnostics."

These former, no longer in existance groups were heretics to Christianity, just as in my observers view the terrorists are heretics to your Islam.

Our friends the Jews are Semitic in ethnic, racial origin, as are Arabs, an irony in view of today's geopolitics.

The last book of our New Testament, Revelations, authored by St. John, in Chapter 22, verse 19 teaches us as Christians: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

We believe the words of both the Old and New Testaments of our Holy Bible are the inspired words of God. We do not accept nor defer to any other book as qualifying as holy scripture. We do recognize books and other writings as the views of other religions who have a right to have their opinions, which opinions we do reject.

St. John concludes the last Chapter, 22, of the Book of Revelations in verse 21: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

I still have Jewish and Muslim, as well as those of other faith systems, as friends and colleagues here in the US and overseas, too. But my beliefs as a practicing Christian are based on Grace, as offered in the Hope of Eternal Salvation in Heaven through Jesus Christ the Son of God through Who we believe we go as believers in Him, as part of the Trinity, God in three persons as noted above, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.

Christians are saved from the rigors of Old Testament or Qur aan works and strict law observances through the Grace of God who gave His only begotten Son as atonement for all mankinds sins. We teach and to the extent we can follow the Ten Commandments but we do so with a view of Grace when we slip up knowing that God forgives us if we simply ask for Him to do so in our prayers. We are not under Law but under Grace, simplified. This is a core belief that differentiates Christianity as a faith based on Hope not fear, condemnation or damnation.

Peace to you and yours.

Again thank you for your views.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

You don't know me well enough to write 10 paragraphs explaining what I wanted to say, based on the one sentence I did. Hold on a sec, what I should be saying is: I'm honoured to meet the inventor of the Chinese Telephone!

Please allow me to comment on some of the things you attribute me the authorship of. The real problem I have is you're attributing your misunderstandings as facts about my faith. Hope things get clearer for you and me both:

1) We're both in accord with this one. But for a moment think: is it enough to say "I accept" and then go about violating it and saying "the law is dead, acceptance in the heart is all we need"? We differ and say The Law is still binding, and The Prophets were sent for nothing but to be followed.

Hence, we still follow Mosaic (AS) Law/sharia, version 2.0!

But I understand we'd have differing viewpoints (as two communities), and I respect yours.


2) Fine.


3) This is the main contention I have. Your knowledge is as good as the lies written by orientalists. Muhammad SAW was never part of the Medinite Church, nor did he encounter Christians except as a minor, and after prophethood. He did not offer interpretations* of earlier scriptures or laws. The Qur aan is a divine revelation. Don't believe it? Go write the equivalent of the smallest Suurah. Believe me others have tried, and they'd had ample time!

*The Qur aan does validate previous texts, since the source of them all is the same. Your use of the word 'interpretation' is a disservice to someone your age and experienc.

4) You're talking about today's, or tinitarian, Christians. Early Christianity, and till several centuries later, many small and dying Christian groups e.g. the Nazerites, the Assariyoun and many more etc did not accept Jesus AS' divinity. Neither do we. In as much we believe we're today's true Christians. To ponder: if he AS turns out to be not divine, who's going to be in trouble? He's coming, we know that, and he'd sure let us know his substance!

We give Jesus AS his proper and deserving place, as a human being born of a miracle, a Messenger, the Christ and the Massiah. Let me give you an insider secret: even though this is part of dogma we commoners are not supposed to delve into since it doesn't change the outcome of this life, we are awarded information about the hierarchy of the Messengers. Five are distinguished, including Jesus AS. The first ones are Muhammad SAW and Moses AS, I don't remember the order after that, but peace be with them all, they did their job to perfection. So, not a 'common' Prophet after all.

5) Said with more conviction than information. That the centenarian+ father made the intention to sacrifice his son and the son said "you'll find me from among the accepting" is the real deal, whichever the son was is a detail.

The Qur-aan therefore doesn't talk about the detail. In fact, earlier scholars were in confluence with your opinion, that it was Isaac AS. Later scholars however established it was Ismael AS, peace be upon them both, their father and for the one he wished for, and all the rest of them. See you didn't know this!

We don't dwell on the detail, but on the message.

To your conclusion: I'll add that not only we're the children of the same father, but you're our lost brother and according to us we'll have a family reunion once Jesus AS returns! Till then, I'll urge you (and fellow Muslims) to read Muhammad SAW's letter to the Christian people of Egypt stored in the Saint Katherine Monastery in Egypt; and au revoir.

Well, I am impressed......................

 

[American Eagle]

Terms such as "I didn't know this or that" are mistaken here. You are merely self reinforcing your views and beliefs.

What you refer to as "just the details and not important" simply ignores all religious history and facts among Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

What we all should stive for is a peaceful coexistance in the whole world, which does exist here inside the US, focusing on our in common religious heritage and avoiding arguments and disagreements, honest and imagined, between and among our different faith systems.

Georgetown Univeristy in Washington, DC a Roman Catholic Jesuit school trains in it's Muslim Seminary mullahs for the nation of Jordan, as a moderate and objective of interfaith example of university religious education today.

What none of our faith systems should teach nor condone is violence in the name of and to create by force converts to anyone's religion.

The US military chaplaincy corp today has Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other faith systems chaplains commissioned as officers in the US miliary for those so believing.

The horrible example of an ex-US Army Major who murdered 18 fellow US Army and Army dependents/civilians in a wild rampage shooting two years ago at Ft. Hood, TX is a bad example of a failure to monitor a man, an MD Psychiatrist, who had exhibited radical Islamic tendencies and opinions and was in fact in dialog with sought after Muslim terrorists who had fled the US for terrorist safe havens in the Middle East. His awful example is not to be confused with educated and peaceful seminary training and commissioning of US military chaplians who are good Muslims.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Thank you for giving me your beliefs and opinions.

And you for taking the time to listen to them. It's only the second time I've talked religion with a Christian person. The first time showed me how little my fellow Pakistani Christian knew about us Muslims, and knowing more has brought him closer to me even personally. Hope it didn't draw you away.

Rather than debate histories we disagree on I repeat that Christ is the Son of God, ...as my personal Savior every day of my life.

That's just one thing more than what we have him AS as. But the one thing's everything, isn't it?!!

To "rather than debate histories": When recorded events bring against somebody, it is easier to hide behind faith and say this is what it is for me, but fine. My goal wasn't to impinge on your belief about Christ AS but to absolve his brother Muhammad SAW of an untruth.

Earlier belief groups you mentioned are not part of our Christian faith group and never were. They did not make the transition to the Trinity and that says they were never Christians but old school Jews many of whom we simplify using the loose title of "Gnostics."

These former, no longer in existance groups were heretics to Christianity, just as in my observers view the terrorists are heretics to your Islam.

Wouldn't it be injustice to them that you call them heretics, considering that in the very early period, they were in the majority and they bore persecutions so Islam..errr Christianity could survive. If you compile their sayings, you might find the 12 disciples thought and treated Jesus AS as a human.

Don't equate the gnostics with terrorists. They did not attack and kill. They were attacked and killed. And such is happening till date!

FYI you'd be amazed by the blind opposition to the idea you'd elicit from a jewish friend if you let him know there was something called Jewish Christianity!

Our friends the Jews are Semitic in ethnic, racial origin, as are Arabs, an irony in view of today's geopolitics.

You said the word yourself. Hope people stop maligning the two religions because of what is a war against colonization.

The zionists changed everything, our relations, and ultimately the course of history. Before this Jews lived as communities not as diaspora in Muslim lands, whether in Madiina, in Andalusia or with the Ottomans. Or here in Indo-Persia.

We believe the words of both the Old and New Testaments of our Holy Bible are the inspired words of God. We do not accept nor defer to any other book as qualifying as holy scripture. We do recognize books and other writings as the views of other religions who have a right to have their opinions, which opinions we do reject.

Adds to my understanding, thanks.

I do find a difference between you and us here though. We accept other books as Divine words, not just Divinely-inspired words (I understand a group of Christians today too accept the Bible the verbatim word of God). For us the Psalms is as divine as is the Injiil (new testament). We do not reject the divine opinion in any of them. The only thing is, they didn't come with a divine 'locked for edition' guarantee, and hence you'd find an amount of human opinion in them!

St. John concludes the last Chapter, 22, of the Book of Revelations in verse 21: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."... We are not under Law but under Grace, simplified.

Good good. We too believe the ultimate salvation is from Grace, but with this difference: you still have to make yourself eligible for it by having tried to live commensurate the Law. The Law is not a burden, it is uplifting.

FYI the earliest splinter group under current Law, the kharijites, too held the opinion that Grace was all you needed. But majority scholarship did solve it right then so we don't get away with murder, for instance.

This is a core belief that differentiates Christianity as a faith based on Hope not fear, condemnation or damnation.

And us with both Hope and Fear (we do away with condemnation and certainly damnation in this life). Or optimism and pessimism. Because that's what life is about, it isn't a Disney movie.

There's a Punjabi anecdote that describes our belief to the money: "The kid ran to her mother's for comfort because her mother had scolded her." That's our condition with Allaah. This is called taqwaa - refuge in Him from Him.

(Addendum FYI:Interestingly, the only time Allaah likens Himself to His creation, it is to a mother. Our word for Grace is from the word for the womb. And a lot many crucial terms in Theology.)

Peace to you and yours.

Again thank you for your views.

Thank you again. It would be nice for the teenage keyboard warriors to witness fellow forumers talking about religion without going about it with a hammer!

"and yours" was a generous concession, and I'll remember that.

There was a time that, being brought up in a Muslim household, in a Muslim-only ambiance till a certain age, whenever I heard of a Christian the first thought that popped up was 'my brother'. But later I learnt (particularly after 911) that it didn't work like that mutually: the Christian despised me, and the Jew despised the Christian!

I do have a problem - I'm guilty of having done a religious debate. In our framework this is a job for the scholars only. My job is simply to treat you as a brother and a fellow man. Otherwise there would be plumbers advising brain surgeons. Please don't count on me exceeding my job description again, I might not continue this discussion. I'm ill-equipped and admitting of it. Sincere thanks.

 

[CowardAutobot465]

Two words: Big Mistake

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Terms such as "I didn't know this or that" are mistaken here. You are merely self reinforcing your views and beliefs.

What you refer to as "just the details and not important" simply ignores all religious history and facts among Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

IN THAT INSTANCE, the principle overshadowed the detail.

What we all should stive for is a peaceful coexistance in the whole world, which does exist here inside the US, focusing on our in common religious heritage and avoiding arguments and disagreements, honest and imagined, between and among our different faith systems.

I like asking questions. They help enlighten me. So not as a Muslim but as myself: why is peaceful coexistence desirable in your view? Why not shared edification. If a disagreement is imagined, we work to wash our hands off it. If it is honest, we research to establish the truth, how about this?

Georgetown Univeristy in Washington, DC a Roman Catholic Jesuit school trains in it's Muslim Seminary mullahs for the nation of Jordan, as a moderate and objective of interfaith example of university religious education today.

First, someone from Jordan would not recognize this word if it weren't for English influence. it's a Persian-Urdu word. AND THERE IS NO H IN IT. AND it is a derogatory word. It's used for people who're fact-libraries rather than thinking scholars. If the said seminary is producing these, it better bin the program!

What none of our faith systems should teach nor condone is violence in the name of and to create by force converts to anyone's religion.

The US military chaplaincy corp today has Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other faith systems chaplains commissioned as officers in the US miliary for those so believing.

Again a personal question: why isn't violence good? It is a speedy way of establishing hierarchy. Or to affect change.

I believe such might be the thinking of those young angry Muslim men living under proxy-colonialism who you call 'Muslim radicals'. Ain't anything Islamic about them but they do represent a manner of solution to the oppression and tyranny experienced by the population in the middle east.

The horrible example of an ex-US Army Major ... who had exhibited radical Islamic tendencies ... His awful example is not to be confused with ... who are good Muslims.

I don't call some Christians' intolerance 'Christian radicalism', since I understand you need to move away from Christianity to be able to exhibit that. Unsurprisingly, it's the same I change the word Christianity with Islaam in the preceeding sentence. So let's stop calling it 'radical Islamic tendencies' for the crimes of desperate individuals or indeed organizations.

Was it murder? There's wars going on, and he chose sides. I believe under an Islamic State he'd be tried, and the US process of law isn't too different in principle to our own. He just needs to hire me as counsel! But then I might bring up the argument that he committed treason within a period of active war, and have him shot!

I think too that under the Islamic Army it might solely be regarded as an individual's act, and further secular recruitment might not decrease. The point I'm making is: any man might have been driven with disillusionment to his country's policy to this point, that he was
Muslim simply made it easier because of the theater he had been deployed in.

Sometimes I think I shouldn't be in a discussion at all - if we took out religion I find everything economically right with murder - you're eliminating competition to shared resources! Seriously why'd be murder wrong if it weren't for the burden of religion? Why would cannibalism?

Time to re-don the reasonable human's cap! Quits quits inane postings!

 

[American Eagle]

Your second to last posting is in my view better than your last posting here.

An American Muslim, a Major in the US Army, trained at US taxpayer expense (student loans) in our medical colleges, born and raised in Virginia, who then conspires with radical exiled from the USA racial mullas (to use your no "h" request herein) succumed to radical heretical Islamic heresay and then became a murderer in the eyes of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) which governs legal matters inside our serving military services.

***ASIDE: My now sole living first cousin's late Uncle, a retired Navy Lawyer (Captain, USN, Retired, died just two years ago, a graduate of Columbia University Law School in New York City) was one of the principal founding authors and experts on today's UCMJ.

Britain and several other nations no longer allow the death penalty for acts of murder. The US still allows the death treaty. Some religious groups inside the US perpetually campaign against the death penalty in our legal system. It is important to understand that in the US "the law" is strictly a civil matter, it is not a facet of religion.

However, the Western system of law is in part derived from the Ten Commandments in our Old Testament of our Holy Bible. In turn our US legal system in the main is then derived from Old English Common Law.

I personally support the death penalty. This is my civil law belief, using the word civil to cover the area technically called criminal law here in the US. Not to be confused with religion, an entirely separate topic.

I as a religious person believe in anyone finding salvation by profession of faith in Christ as his or her Lord and Savior up to the end before they are executed for murder. While I as a mortal man do not forgive a person for murder, ever, God can forgive them at the last moment if they repent of their sins and ask God to do so in the process of accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior and disavowing their former acts of murder as regretted and seek His forgiveness.

911 involved a group of trained Islamo terrorists, heretics to Islam, presuming to judge and condemn from their warped religious viewpoint unknown to them men, women, and children, and the property rights of building owners; the rights of a soverign nation in the form of the Pentagon in DC with innocent military and civilians of all faiths working daily inside; and the rights of free men and women and children aboard a civilian airliner over a Pennsylvania field when the passengers rose up and stopped the terrorists from redirecting the aircraft to use it as a missle back in Washington, DC but instead causing it to crash land into a quiet farm there in Pennsylvania, where no one on the ground otherwise was killed or harmed.

This trained terrorism in the name of religion happened in 1993 at the same Twin Trade Towers; at the US Embassy in an African nation; in Yemen at dockside to the USS Cole, and many other examples.

These are not acts of repressively colonized peoples seeking freedom politically. These are acts of religious terrorists commiting murder and mayhem in the name of religion, which of course insults Islam greatly.

Wars are an arm of foreign policy of nation states. Afghanistan under the Radical Terrorist Taliban in supporting and harboring al Qaida became a nation at war with the West, not just with the US as a consequence of 911. Subsequent murderous acts in the UK, Spain, and elsewhere were engineered and trained for inside Afghansitan...as well as in other places where al Qaida had been and is again in various nations used as training camps and sites to traing men and women to kill in the name of their heretical religious belief.

I agree this thread/topic has gone on a bit long. It all started from a US reporter in Montgomery, Alabama on January 17, 2011 trying to create a false meaning from inside the confines of a Black Baptist Church regarding a religious alter call by Governor Robert Bentley in his Christian lay role as an ordained Deacon in a Tuscaloosa, Alabama Baptist Church.

ASIDE: I, individually, do not ascribe scholarly organized sect descriptions to the earliest era of Christianity to then alledge deviations then to now in Christian theology. I believe that it took a while for folks to emerge from old form Judiasm into what eventually became main form Christianity. It all didn't happen in a day or two. The letters the Apostles wrote to the various churches are today's books of our Holy Bible, and were and remain to me and us the inspired Word of God, God speaking through men and their pen. I am among the majority of worldwide Christians who accept that our various denominations evolved and separated from the Roman Catholic Church over history. There are of course other Christian denominations who asset as is their right that they have always existed, somehow, outside the Catholic Church. I think Ethopian Christians are about as close as one can get to a denomination which may well have existed parallel since shortly after the time of Christ's lifetime as not having historically been under the organized papacy in Rome.

Your faith system emerged over time subsequent to and after first Judiasm and then Christianity were of written record for thousands then hundreds of years. Your holy to you book has around 28 or so hadiths written outside of it used to interpret the differences between and among various sects of Islam. If it were not so there would be no Sunni vs. Shiia and other internal Muslim sects to be delt with in past history down to today. This is written with respect but to show you and any other interested readers here that mankind is involved in the evolution of all faith systems, great or small.

People colonized America in my view (I majored in History in University) for two major reasons. Seeking freedom to practice their own religion...vs. being dominated by things like the Church of England...and due to committing crimes they then served time for by being indentured servants, white slaves if you will, here in colonial America.

Have a good weekend. It is cold here in north Alabama today, January 22, 211...but the snow fell in the last 48 hours about 100 miles north of us up into Tennessee and points north...I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee, Music City, USA, and it had about 2-3 inches of snow this week now ending.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Your second to last posting is in my view better than your last posting here.

And in mine. This one was written while waking up!

Just one news I have for you - heresy dies soon enough. Terrorism will too. But sellers of religion will have their shop going for as long as the commodity is there. Today terrorism, tomorrow something else.

However, the violence that you cite Uss Cole, African and WTC bombings, all are a product of US foreign policy. The earlier your nation accept it and make amends, the better for its longevity. Otherwise revolutions in one of your controlled middle eastern states may snowball into many simultaneous revolutions, and violence would move from terrorism to mainstream policy over there.

 

[gambit]

God help America!!

I have. You got anything to offer Me?

 

[Awesome]

"I want to be your brother" is said to an all Black Baptist Church audience. It is a sound, correct, and inoffensive statement which the liberal media has used to try to cause false impressions and trouble with.

You reflect disrespect to us as Christians by looking for something to be sore about. No remarks in that sermon were addressed to you as you were not there.

It is that simple.

Actually it seems that he addressed that to non-Christians whom he said were not his brother but he wants to be their brother.

Now given the fact that he's a governor - I wonder to what extent would he go to fulfill his stated desire. It is completely inappropriate to express evangelical desires while occupying a secular office and being a servant of the people - which includes non-Christians.

He can't ask to convert non-Christians as governor and if you believe they are two distinct entities - then I'd say thats awfully convenient and flexible of you - when it suits you.