No Nobels, We're Muslim

[VCheng]

Brain drain is a contributing factor.......and yes...the lack of association with the country.......and the doom gloom mentality .. and government....(let me explain)

There is one example in my close family...A cousin of mine appeared for entrance exams for Pakistan atomic energy commission..She was brilliant,passed the tests and went all the way up to M.phil in Nuclear Physics...Then was sent to USA for P.Hd in Nuclear Physics..and was exceptionally brilliant,was offered a job by some American big wig...She was under contract by GOP...If she decided to leave Pakistan Atomic energy commission,she was liable to pay back the amount spent on her..
She took the oppertunity,started working with the American big wig,and with the ubber wages she got,she paid back GOP.
Then met another Pakistani-American Physicist and married him...Two genius minds joined hands and started research on solar cells...Invented certain other things and sold the patent to sony...got big grants from sony on their solar cell project...and sold patents to sony again.....
The patent on solar cells were US only,so they moved to Malaysia and now building solar cells for some malaysian company.
I asked them why they didnt do all this in Pakistan ..
Their answers were "pAKISTAN KAA KUCH PATA NAHI,PATA NAHI KABB KHATAM HO JAEY" Doon gloom mentality
"Pakistan ki government kuch nahi kertee" A total lack of confidence in whoever is ruling the country
"Pakistan main hameen kisee nay poochna nahi thha" as in recognized and rewarded them....A lack of belonging and association with country.....Mainly instigated by lower earnings of such people...

Then on the other hand i had a chance to work with soviets or ex soviets.....They were rocket engineers,and hovercraft engineers,and aced at their trade...I asked them....that with such great talent why didnt they immigrate to some other country and earn more money,as i knew they were on meager wages..Their answer was 1."Mother Russia needs us"....and 2."Communists are not welcomed in western world"

We may not reach the paart where we will reject a job offer in the west saying "Mother Pakistan needs us"...but surely we are reaching stage No.2...We Muslims will soon be disliked and disparaged in the west and even east that we will be isolated to our own countries and will have no option but to work for our own countries...and that will be good...Our great minds will stay home,wont be able to immigrate and Muslim world will rise in science and technolgy.

To be fair, it is more than just the reasons you mention. Would your cousin have been able to do all that research in Pakistan into solar panels? Would she have been able to rely on a legal system that could provide her research with patent protections? Even with a patent, would she have been able to commercialize the patents?

Why waste a brilliant mind and deprive the world at large of her creativity? Recall that Abdus Salam was rejected for an assistant professor post in GC Lahore, and look at what he achieved when he was given the correct environment for his talent.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

who cares about this nobel prize anyways? it doesnt mean sh!t. loook at Obama and how he got the nobel prize. Nobel prize doesnt make you better then anyone else and doesnt give you anything more

 

[NWO]

Nobel goes to scientist who knocked down 'Berlin Wall' of chemistry - CNN.com.

Dunno if this counts as a Nobel Peace Prize for Muslims but a lot of the research seemed to be based on Islamic foundation.

 

[Aldin]

Why are you people obsessed with this ''Noble prize'' so much??

For the last 400 or so years the world has been dominated by Western European powers, and it is expected that they are still excelling in science as well in other fields, which is why most Nobel prize winners come from West.

You can not look at science independently from military, political and economical history of this world.

My opinion... f*** the Noble prize. Science is a universal field that is there to advance the human race, not to be a sport for petty nationalists.

 

[VCheng]

who cares about this nobel prize anyways? it doesnt mean sh!t. loook at Obama and how he got the nobel prize. Nobel prize doesnt make you better then anyone else and doesnt give you anything more

The Nobel Prize is one measure of achievement, that is all.

Would you like to prefer to compare any of the following measures of scientific productivity across the Muslim world with the international leaders:

Scientific papers published in peer-review journals of known impact factors.
Scientific works quoted by others.
Papers presented at international conferences
Patent applications filed.
Patents granted.
Number of PhDs in training
Number of PhDs trained.
Budget of universities.
Budget for R&D activities.

 

[jdme]

Why are you people obsessed with this ''Noble prize'' so much??

For the last 400 or so years the world has been dominated by Western European powers, and it is expected that they are still excelling in science as well in other fields, which is why most Nobel prize winners come from West.

You can not look at science independently from military, political and economical history of this world.

My opinion... f*** the Noble prize. Science is a universal field that is there to advance the human race, not to be a sport for petty nationalists.

Yet the burden for that advancement solely lies on western shoulders (to some extent newly rich east Asian countries) unless rich Saudi Arabia intends to "help". They make and you consume. How convenient.

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The Nobel Prize is one measure of achievement, that is all.

Would you like to prefer to compare any of the following measures of scientific productivity across the Muslim world with the international leaders:

Scientific papers published in peer-review journals of known impact factors.
Scientific works quoted by others.
Papers presented at international conferences
Patent applications filed.
Patents granted.
Number of PhDs in training
Number of PhDs trained.
Budget of universities.
Budget for R&D activities.

This clearly reflects the importance given to education and original thinking. And then we have culture of thinking that some superpower or supernatural power will fix everything for us. Many in US believe the same and look down upon education as some kind of elitist thing.

 

[silko]

wish you lived in Norway or Sweden for that matter, you would have understand that (atleast in Norway) all people know it is a tool for politicians, especially soscialists in Norway.

 

[jdme]

wish you lived in Norway or Sweden for that matter, you would have understand that (atleast in Norway) all people know it is a tool for politicians, especially soscialists in Norway.

Nobel peace prize is a joke.

 

[roadrunner]

Yet the burden for that advancement solely lies on western shoulders (to some extent newly rich east Asian countries) unless rich Saudi Arabia intends to "help". They make and you consume. How convenient.

That, I'm sure was his point, Mr Nobel Laureate.

When the Muslim world was at the forefront of the global economy, it was Muslims that were advancing the world for the benefit of the global village.

When that shifted, it was the West. Using the petty Nationalist point scoring system during any particular period is just pathetic, but done often.

 

[jdme]

That, I'm sure was his point, Mr Nobel Laureate.

When the Muslim world was at the forefront of the global economy, it was Muslims that were advancing the world for the benefit of the global village.

When that shifted, it was the West. Using the petty Nationalist point scoring system during any particular period is just pathetic, but done often.

A small blip in human history but your point is well taken. Western scientific advancement started with Greeks and collapsed more or less after Romans. It was revived pre-renaissance by few brave men and now we are here.

 

[Hussein]

Truth hurts. Why are you in America then?

he is right about this subject. Muse is too much focusing on anti islam argument.

Anyway this is a very big mistake the reason of no nobel price.
i have myself a PhD in science. that i did in a foreign country (not in iran not in france ).

for me there are many reasons why:

1/ the education is not always the reason and this is international matter nothing to do with religion.
in Iran we care a lot about education. education is the number one point for the Iranians (i am not speaking about regime but the will for education by the Iranians, and most of them are muslims so...)
but still there is one reason that in some country this is the reason

2/ people go abroad.
again exemple for Iran. Many success in USA . I have friend who won price of best student in North america.
the country is loosing thses brains and the best university in Iran > most of students go abroad
never heard about brain drain?

3/ fields forbidden.
for sensible fields Iranians are forbidden. for exemple a friend in Europe couldn't do a thesis in nuclear science. and we couldn't be trusted for the most advanced good laboratories
i guess it is the same in USA

4/ old time
this is the main reason . The nobel prices in science ... are given for a work that thank for a long work or a discovered that often occured 20-30-40 years ago and which have consequences on our life or science

let's give one exemple: china. why china having so few nobels?
the reasons wil be similar for some.

 

[jdme]

let's give one exemple: china. why china having so few nobels?
the reasons wil be similar for some.

Japan has been rich for a while and it matches the number of Nobel won by Israelis. Do you see the problem?

 

[PteX]

he is right about this subject. Muse is too much focusing on anti islam argument.

Anyway this is a very big mistake the reason of no nobel price.
i have myself a PhD in science. that i did in a foreign country (not in iran not in france ).

for me there are many reasons why:

1/ the education is not always the reason and this is international matter nothing to do with religion.
in Iran we care a lot about education. education is the number one point for the Iranians (i am not speaking about regime but the will for education by the Iranians, and most of them are muslims so...)
but still there is one reason that in some country this is the reason

2/ people go abroad.
again exemple for Iran. Many success in USA . I have friend who won price of best student in North america.
the country is loosing thses brains and the best university in Iran > most of students go abroad
never heard about brain drain?

3/ fields forbidden.
for sensible fields Iranians are forbidden. for exemple a friend in Europe couldn't do a thesis in nuclear science. and we couldn't be trusted for the most advanced good laboratories
i guess it is the same in USA

4/ old time
this is the main reason . The nobel prices in science ... are given for a work that thank for a long work or a discovered that often occured 20-30-40 years ago and which have consequences on our life or science

let's give one exemple: china. why china having so few nobels?
the reasons wil be similar for some.

The last Chinese national that got a nobel prize was jailed.
There are about 14 Chinese people(Not just Han) that got it as far as i know but they were all, except the last one, living outside of China.

For science to advance, religion must never interfere. Which is what happens in islamic republics.

 

[Hussein]

The last Chinese national that got a nobel prize was jailed.
There are about 14 Chinese people(Not just Han) that got it as far as i know but they were all, except the last one, living outside of China.

For science to advance, religion must never interfere. Which is what happens in islamic republics.

religion doesn't interfer on science in Iran . it is another matter: the country prefers to see the brain leaving the country.

about peace nobel price that's quite bullshit: obama, this guy (what he was doing so special? no it was a vote of some people who wanted to show a sign to china) or ... should i remind you arafat?

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Japan has been rich for a while and it matches the number of Nobel won by Israelis. Do you see the problem?

i don't understand what you mean. i am sayingn china and you answer japan and israel:
can you clearly say what you mean

 

[AHMED85]

Nobel peace prize is a joke.

I Think It IS for pigeon Who Can See The Cat And Closing Eye....